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message 4301: by Sam (new)

Sam Kates Md wrote: ...With the introduction of Indie-publishing, there is so much crap out there, that less than 2% of everything published gets a large enough readership to recover costs; and less than 1% actually makes money....your ego requires that you to invest several thousand dollars to impress your family and friends...

Hmm. Not quite sure what you mean, Md, unless you're referring to being published through a small independent publisher or a vanity press, rather than self-publishing on Amazon or elsewhere.

I've been self-published since August: a collection of short stories and a novel. They haven't cost me a penny to publish. The royalty on every one I sell represents pure profit. True, I haven't sold many yet but I keep plugging away, keep writing, and every sale, every review, feels like a small victory over the doubters.


message 4302: by Christine (new)

Christine Hatfield  (christinesbookshelves) | 1379 comments It's nice to meet you Sam


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Md Auz | 10 comments Sam wrote: "Md wrote: ...With the introduction of Indie-publishing, there is so much crap out there, that less than 2% of everything published gets a large enough readership to recover costs; and less than 1% ..."

True Sam, there are no costs, but only if you are publishing electronically and doing nothing else!

However, if you want serious sales, then you would need to put in extra marketing and production efforts and that costs.

If in addition to electronic distribution, you wish to have paper stock on the shelves, then that also comes at a premium which you’d have to fund.

Like everything in life, you have choices, go with what makes you happy.


message 4304: by Sam (new)

Sam Kates Christine wrote: "It's nice to meet you Sam"

You too, Christine


message 4305: by Sam (new)

Sam Kates Md wrote: "If in addition to electronic distribution, you wish to have paper stock on the shelves, then that also comes at a premium which you’d have to fund."

I haven't yet published my books as paperbacks (it's on my ever-increasing to-do list), but I understand that Createspace is also free.

Yes, I agree that serious marketing will cost. It's something that most SP writers will have to consider at some stage. With me, it'll be when I have sufficient sales to be able to cover the cost with the royalties. I imagine there are many writers like me - operating on a budget of somewhere less than £1...


message 4306: by Christine (new)

Christine Hatfield  (christinesbookshelves) | 1379 comments How are you Sam?


message 4307: by Sam (new)

Sam Kates Christine wrote: "How are you Sam?"

Fine thanks, Christine. Busy writing and promoting and spending too much time on discussion boards (lol). Hope you are ok too.


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Mikhail Lerma (MLerma) | 26 comments Kelli wrote: I love the idea that soldiers are using down-time to write books! Keep at it!.."

Thank you Kelli! It definitely helped me while I was deployed. Kept my mind occupied. I'm just glad it turned into something people actually enjoy reading!


message 4309: by Nancy (new)

Nancy Anderson (nancymargueriteanderson) Vincent wrote: "Please introduce yourself! Do you write books? Do you just enjoy reading them?

Let us know a little bit more about who you are:"


Good morning (at least its morning in Victoria, BC) I am Nancy Marguerite Anderson, and the author of "The Pathfinder: A.C. Anderson's journeys in the West." A.C. Anderson is Alexander Caulfield Anderson. My particular interest is the HBC fur trade West of the Rocky Mountains, and I write a lot about that on my blog Fur Trade Family History at http://www.furtradefamilyhistory.blog... I share information; because by sharing you get as much as you give.


message 4310: by P.J. (new)

P.J. LaRue Hi Vincent,
What a great thread. Thank you for starting it. My name is PJ LaRue and I wrote The Mystic Princesses and the Whirlpool. It is for young girls that are outgrowing the "Disney Princesses" but aren't old enough for YA, yet. It can be viewed here on Goodreads.


message 4311: by Amy (new)

Amy Shojai (amyshojai) | 66 comments Hmnnn...Actually being rejected by "mainstream" these days doesn't necessarily mean the writing is bad or needs more work. Oh, it can mean that, but more often simply means the publisher's plate is full, the author doesn't have enough of a platform, the book doesn't have enough appeal for a wide audience (it's a niche topic), the publisher has already bought its quota of (fill in the blank) type books, ad nauseum. *s*

Write. Write some more. Then write even more words. Hire an editor. Ask beta readers to review (not your friends, not family, but READERS who frequently read your type of work). Listen to the editor. Listen to the readers. Use their suggestions (they know more than you think! and READERS are king and have the keys to the kingdom).

Oh, and ignore this advice if'n ya want. But it's worked for me. And yep, I've been pub'd by mainstream in NY, and now self pub'd, and small press. Do it all. Do the part that appeals to you. The beauty of publishing today is the a la carte ability to choose what works best for you.


message 4312: by Nancy (new)

Nancy Anderson (nancymargueriteanderson) I thought I had introduced myself, but here it is again: I am Nancy Marguerite Anderson and the author of "The Pathfinder: A.C. Anderson's Journeys in the West." I write about the fur trade West of the Rocky Mountains, and share information I get on my blog, Fur Trade Family History at Http://www.furtradefamilyhistory.blog...


message 4313: by Md (last edited Dec 29, 2012 03:45PM) (new)

Md Auz | 10 comments Thomas wrote: "Thanks MD,
Whoever you are??
My post on scrib'd is 12K words of first chapter. Book, when completed, will be approx. 125K words.
Tom L"


Thomas wrote: "Thanks MD,
Whoever you are??
My post on scrib'd is 12K words of first chapter. Book, when completed, will be approx. 125K words.
Tom L"


Tom,

The thing about long word counts is that manuscripts, particularly from new authors, with anything at or starting to reach 100k scare publishers. For new authors they like to keep their risk investment below a certain threshold.

While there are some great manuscripts about, the truth is, that for every great one, there are hundreds of others that need a lot of work; and the more words there are to edit the greater the cost.

So if you end up having a really long 'first book' manuscript, (i.e. 125+ K), make sure you check your pacing scene by scene. Get into each one late, get out early. Make sure that each scene moves the plot forward in some way, if not, CUT! Words serve no purpose unless they add value. Check and double check the dialogue and delete any repetitions.

Then have your beta readers (please note the plural) go through your manuscript with the same things in mind.

If after all of this you still have a long manuscript, then go ahead and query. But a little advice, don't give an exact word count, type something like “around 100,000 words” or leave a word count out altogether.


message 4314: by T.P. (new)

T.P. Grish | 19 comments Hey I'm T.P. Grish, I love fantasy books, my favourite are the dark elf series and the Earthsea novels. I am trying my hand at writing, mostly fantasy. I am currently attempting a PhD, and working part-time as a business writer.


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George III (glc3) | 113 comments Hi my name is George Cook and I am author of The Dead war Series which currently includes 4 books. Besides writing I coach both basketball and football as well as serve in elected office. I am currently president of my local board of education.

Although my first two fiction books are in the horror / zombie genre my first published books were actually poetry.

As a child I was always intrigued by science fiction, action , and horror stories. So I guess it's only right that the my first fiction books would be a mish mash of all three.

I am a zombie purist and believe that zombies should be the slow moving good old fashioned George Romero type. I hate fast moving zombies.

Influences on my writing include many sources mostly not other books or authors. Some would be movies like Aliens, Black Hawk Down, and of course the original Night of the living dead. I like to have fun with my writing and always let the reader know that no matter how dire the situation for humanity seems in my books that there is hope. If we stick together......

http://www.thedeadwarseries.com/


message 4316: by Jeri (last edited Dec 30, 2012 05:24PM) (new)

Jeri A Estes (httpwwwgoodreadscomjeriestes) | 11 comments Hi,I am Jeri Estes and very happy to meet you. A little about my book and an update. This is my "try not to get nervous" stage. Our script, adapted from the novel just went out to Dakota Fanning's manager.

Prayers appreciated:-}

STILETTOS AND STEEL, the debut novel by Jeri Estes leads us into a mysterious and dangerous underworld, as seen through the eyes of her protagonist Jesse Rawlson.
Jesse, a carefree tomboy lived happily in an Ozzie and Harriet world of innocence. When other young girls’ hearts surged with romantic longings for Elvis, her heart fluttered for Brigette Bardot and the “rat-a-tat-tat” of her toy Tommy gun.
Jesse fled the San Fernando Valley at sixteen, drawn to the Tenderloin district of San Francisco. The “TL” streets were alive with drug dealers, bikers, pimps, hippies and whores. Vietnam soldiers and curious tourists braved its brothels and nightclubs under the watchful eyes of the dirty cops. Colorful queens peppered the sidewalks, dressed to the nines in high heels and high hair.
Surviving the hard-edged streets, Jesse enters the world of prostitution and discovers a gay subculture within it. Women gangsters lived by their own codes and values. Jesse’s trajectory from call girl to sophisticated pimp, catering to dirty politicians, crooked cops and bored housewives, takes us on a journey that captures the imagination.
Akin to the works of Richard Price and George Pelecanos, Estes reveals the gritty underbelly of American society. STILETTOS AND STEEL, the first in a three-book, pulp fiction series, is a throw-back to classic noir, complete with the genre’s traditional love story and wry sense of humor, with a fresh, new voice.
Swanna MacNair, New York Literary Agent
http://www.amazon.com/Stilettos-and-S...


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Jeri A Estes (httpwwwgoodreadscomjeriestes) | 11 comments by Jeri (last edited 0 minutes ago)

5 minutes ago


Hi,I am Jeri Estes and very happy to meet you. A little about my book and an update. This is my "try not to get nervous" stage. Our script, adapted from the novel just went out to Dakota Fanning's manager.

Prayers appreciated:-}

STILETTOS AND STEEL, the debut novel by Jeri Estes leads us into a mysterious and dangerous underworld, as seen through the eyes of her protagonist Jesse Rawlson.
Jesse, a carefree tomboy lived happily in an Ozzie and Harriet world of innocence. When other young girls’ hearts surged with romantic longings for Elvis, her heart fluttered for Brigette Bardot and the “rat-a-tat-tat” of her toy Tommy gun.
Jesse fled the San Fernando Valley at sixteen, drawn to the Tenderloin district of San Francisco. The “TL” streets were alive with drug dealers, bikers, pimps, hippies and whores. Vietnam soldiers and curious tourists braved its brothels and nightclubs under the watchful eyes of the dirty cops. Colorful queens peppered the sidewalks, dressed to the nines in high heels and high hair.
Surviving the hard-edged streets, Jesse enters the world of prostitution and discovers a gay subculture within it. Women gangsters lived by their own codes and values. Jesse’s trajectory from call girl to sophisticated pimp, catering to dirty politicians, crooked cops and bored housewives, takes us on a journey that captures the imagination.
Akin to the works of Richard Price and George Pelecanos, Estes reveals the gritty underbelly of American society. STILETTOS AND STEEL, the first in a three-book, pulp fiction series, is a throw-back to classic noir, complete with the genre’s traditional love story and wry sense of humor, with a fresh, new voice.
Swanna MacNair, New York Literary Agent
http://www.amazon.com/Stilettos-and-S...


message 4318: by Jacqueline (new)

Jacqueline Rhoades (jackierhoades) | 149 comments Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


Hi, my name's Jacqueline Rhoades and I write those illiterate, not-worthy-of-a-mainstream-publisher's-notice books that I finally decided to self-pub through various ebook formats. With little 'extra marketing or production costs' other than supportive members of Goodreads and a few friendly bloggers, my books are selling well, so well that I'll soon be tendering my resignation to my current day job in order to write full time.

I freely admit that I'm a newbie at this and lack the expertise of many, more established authors and in all likelihood will never be a big name or NY Times best seller, but I'm living my dream.

So for all you other Can't-make-it-in-the Big-Leagues authors out there, here is my advice:
Write, write and write some more. Edit as carefully as you can. Find a few tough Beta readers and read your reviews, particularly the ones that hurt. They'll show you your strengths and weaknesses.
Above all, have the courage to give it your best shot. Maybe it will happen and maybe it won't, but don't let anyone deter you from taking the chance. It's a whole new publishing world out there and there are millions of readers out there. Someone you don't know is waiting to read your book. What a thrill be it one reader or many!
Best of luck to all of you!


message 4319: by A.L. (new)

A.L. Butcher (alb2012) | 848 comments Hey newbies:)


message 4320: by Sam (new)

Sam Kates Jacqueline wrote: "Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


Jacqueline - love your post. Thrilled (and a touch envious) that you are on the verge of being able to resign from the day job to write full-time. Yep, that's living the dream all right. Best of luck to you!


message 4321: by Brian (new)

Brian Bigelow (brian_bigelow) Hello, I write a bit of horror these days and of course read a lot of books still especially thrillers and horror.

Do publish most on my own but I'm also about to be published through Perseid Press early in 2013. The first will be in Terror By Gaslight and two other projects coming up that I know of. It's kind of interesting for me the differences and there are many.

Wish I could say that writing can support me 100% but it doesn't yet. It's beginning to look like its headed that way but it also looks like it will take a while.


message 4322: by Jacqueline (last edited Dec 31, 2012 07:04AM) (new)

Jacqueline Rhoades (jackierhoades) | 149 comments Great news Brian!

For the rest of you, sorry if I sounded a little miffed in my last post, but I'm tired of Indie and self-pub authors being treated like redheaded stepchildren. I've read some outstanding Indie books and I've read some big publishing house losers.

One of the great things about GR is the people who frequent it and many of the reviewers take great care to give honest yet courteous critiques of the books they read making it easier for readers to seperate the wheat from the chaff and for writers to improve their craft.

For many avid readers like myself, reading can be an expensive hobby. E-pub has opened up a realm of low cost reading for us that is simply amazing and I have discovered some very talented authors who would never have found a chance with a publishing house.

Writing a book is hard work. I don't think I understood how hard until I actually did it and putting it out there for other people to read is frightening. Even if I'd only sold one or two, I'd still be shouting, my fists pumping in the air, "I did it!"
Of course, that would be in my kitchen where no one could see me - my neighbors already think I have a screw loose. Oh, and about quitting the job? We're not talking a high-end paycheck! lol


message 4323: by J.K. (new)

J.K. Rock (jkrock) | 31 comments Hello! We are J.K. Rock- the sister writing team that seperately publishes Harlequin romances and now has a YA series that starts July '13 with Spencer Hill Press. Our books are CAMP BOYFRIEND, CAMP PAYBACK, and CAMP FORGET-ME-NOT. But because we can't wait to introduce ourselves, we wrote a prequel promotional novella, CAMP KISS that comes out in ebook form this April. We can't wait to sweep our readers off their feet with our love stories. We've been so inspired by talented writers like Jennifer Echols, Jenny Hann, Susane Colasanti,Sarah Dessen and Meg Cabot. Check out our website www.campboyfriend.net , www.JKRockwriters.net or our Goodreads author page or facebook page www.facebook.com/JKRockwriters.com . We are looking forward to meeting other YA fans like us :)


message 4324: by Colin (last edited Dec 31, 2012 07:48AM) (new)

Colin Heaton (colin1962) | 39 comments Hello all. I am Colin Heaton, of Heaton Lewis Books, and I have written 10 books, the last 5 with our agent Dr. Gayle Wurst. Our last two books came out in 2012; The Me-262 Stormbird, and The Star of Africa. Both are with Zenith Press, and both are also in ebook format, as well as hardcover. My wife and I write military history and biographies. We have another biography coming out in May 2013 with Casemate Publishng, titled Four War Boer. We are looking at getting into self publishing for a line of historical novels, as we have only worked with large established publishers in the past. Nice to meet you all.


message 4325: by D.M. (new)

D.M. Lee | 25 comments Jacqueline wrote: "Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


Always good to hear positive views and news, congrats on your work and leaving the 9-5 behind Jacqueline, long may it continue.

DM Lee


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D.M. Lee | 25 comments Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


So I guess MD you are saying stay away from Indie publishing....or are you?

And if you are, how is telling everyone to stay away from indie publishing ever going to cause it to improve? Which suggests letting it die is best and let things remain as they always were in the past. Is there something indie writers can be doing to help improve its 'loadsa crap' reputation? I appreciate your response as it provides food for thought. But am I misreading your advice?

As for ego trips, surely, there are a thousand less time comsuming ways to try and impress your family and friends. Writing, editing, re-writing and trying to remove every last mistake from a potential half a million is hardly the stuff of ego trips.

I will defend my book and say it is not indie crap, its worth a read.


message 4327: by D.M. (new)

D.M. Lee | 25 comments Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


So I guess MD you are saying stay away from Indie publishing....or are you?

And if you are, how is telling everyone to stay away from indie publishing ever going to cause it to improve? Which suggests letting it die is best and let things remain as they always were in the past. Is there something indie writers can be doing to help improve its 'loadsa crap' reputation? I appreciate your response as it provides food for thought. But am I misreading your advice?

As for ego trips, surely, there are a thousand less time comsuming ways to try and impress your family and friends. Writing, editing, re-writing and trying to remove every last mistake from a potential half a million is hardly the stuff of ego trips.

I will defend my book and say it is not indie crap, its worth a read.


message 4328: by Brian (new)

Brian Bigelow (brian_bigelow) Of all things what seems to eliminate most of the Indie negativity is making a printed copy. For some reason it dispells that crap mythos for most people. IDK why but it does.


message 4329: by D.M. (new)

D.M. Lee | 25 comments Good point, Brian.

There might be a comfort in turning a physical page but surely it doesnt possess that much power that something average could become great or vice versa, a kindle causing something great to become average because of limited physicality.

Best of luck with Terror by Gaslight.


message 4330: by Amy (new)

Amy Shojai (amyshojai) | 66 comments C'mon folks, writing is writing. Reading is reading. You can publish crappiocca in a variety of ways--and you can publish gems as well.

E-readers are a delivery system. They have nothing to do with quality of what's published. DIY has always had bushels of half-asset'd folks dreaming big and falling short.

The best revenge against nay-sayers is success. But my success may not be the same as your success. We each must choose our own path and decide what reward best floats our boat, and make the effort. Nobody every got rich (or successful) by pointing out the failures of others. Well...maybe they did but they sure didn't gain any popularity, either. *s* Just sayin...

2013 is nearly here. May the New Year bring with it the success you desire (however you define that success!).


message 4331: by Brian (last edited Dec 31, 2012 05:46PM) (new)

Brian Bigelow (brian_bigelow) I find it rather funny also. It's not like the paperback copies sell all that much but some reason you're a real author if its in print. IDK why that is. Thank you the best wishes for Gaslight. Was almost wanting to frame the contract since its my first one ever.


message 4332: by Maya (new)

Maya Zauberman | 5 comments Vincent wrote: "Please introduce yourself! Do you write books? Do you just enjoy reading them?

Let us know a little bit more about who you are:"


Hi, Maya here. I like to read, write, play on the computer, act, watch TV. My specialties in writing are poetry and short-story writing. I'm not a very good essayist. I also love discussing books, both good and bad, and I enjoy getting to hear other opinions. Hopefully on Goodreads, I can get that.


message 4333: by Tracey (new)

Tracey Smith | 107 comments I've got a question I'd like to put out to my fellow authors... I currently have 3 self published books, a romantic series, which is doing well on Amazon (at least I think so). I've also just completed a new project and have decided to try to obtain an agent in hopes of landing a deal with one of the "big houses". In writing a query letter should I mention my 3 previous self-published works? Should I mention that I've sold 500 copies in the last year? Is that number impressive to an agent or just a drop in the bucket? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!


message 4334: by Amy (new)

Amy Shojai (amyshojai) | 66 comments Tracey wrote: "I've got a question I'd like to put out to my fellow authors... I currently have 3 self published books, a romantic series, which is doing well on Amazon (at least I think so). I've also just compl..."
Congratulations on your books, Tracey! You're way ahead of many folks. And while 500 copies in a year is GREAT for an indie, the agents I've heard speak say they're not impressed until it's five figures. *shrug* Of course that's because they get 10-15% of what's sold. So if it were me, I wouldn't mention numbers sold specifically. Books that are well reviewed, though, might be worth mentioning, and certainly impressive numbers of blog subscribers, facebook and twitter followers can tip the balance. The first thing agents (and editors) do these days with a query that interests them is to "google" the author to see what you've done and your reach.

Good luck! It may well be that your new project will be the "break out" you're looking for.


message 4335: by Tracey (new)

Tracey Smith | 107 comments Thanks Amy! Even though I did my happy dance when I reached 500, I had a feeling it would be a bit less mind blowing to a literary agent :).


message 4336: by Md (last edited Dec 31, 2012 10:45PM) (new)

Md Auz | 10 comments D.m. wrote: "Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


Hi DM,

No I’m not saying stay away from Indie.

But what I am saying is that if you want to make a living by self-publishing, you need more skills than just writing to do it.(That's a different topic)

To the question - Is there something indie writers can be doing to help improve its 'loadsa crap' reputation? – HELL YES!

(1) Write, write and rewrite. (EDIT is not a four letter word! A four letter word is the one you say just before you start your third or fourth revision.

(2) After you’ve discovered that four letter word, and not before; have serious beta-readers on board WHO UNDERSTAND, thrust, momentum and pace. It is also very important, to have readers that aren’t scared to tell you if your story lacks in any of these aspects. More importantly; that you are prepared to take any advice given and make the changes.

(3) ‘Tweak & Polish’, preferably by someone other than yourself, (even if you happen to be the chief editor of Simon & Schuster) you cannot objectively T &P your own work. Most writers I know are pathologically paranoid about working with an editor. I myself, after thirty years of writing, still have the same fear. I know, that even after four or five self-edits, the ‘script doctor’ is still going to cut, change, or insist on a word or idea transplant somewhere in the plot before it goes into production.

(4) Review; send your manuscript out for review. Keep the good ones for support marketing but seriously focus on the bad ones and rewrite as deemed necessary. (Note I’m talking about a bad review from someone who likes the genre and understands the reader audience your work is aimed at – not some gook who is just taking a shot at you – so select your reviewers carefully.

(5) Now, if after all of the above, you are happy with your manuscript and satisfied nothing more can be done, (you’d be unique because most authors are never really satisfied), you are ready to publish.

As for ego trips, you’d be amazed. I cannot tell you how many Indie works I’ve come across, where it’s pretty clear that not much time was taken on the writing thereof, let alone editing or God forbid, re-writing.

While it is true that a huge amount 'junk writing' exists in the electronic format, much the same can be said about hard print, so Im not sure that 'paper' would make a difference.

Indie Publishing has opened the market place to everyone. This has more positives than negatives, so I’d say support it and live with the consequences.

The downside is that you have to navigate oceans (before it was a little lake) of mediocrity before you find the pearl. On the upside, it does make those authors who are professional about what they do, shine!


message 4337: by Md (new)

Md Auz | 10 comments Tracey wrote: "Thanks Amy! Even though I did my happy dance when I reached 500, I had a feeling it would be a bit less mind blowing to a literary agent :)."

Hi Tracy,

I agree with Amy re quantity sold but add the following codicil:

Mention that you are self-published; mention the three titles, BUT DON’T PROVIDE LINKS.

The agent will only be interested in (and focused on) your current project. Links to self-pub titles (for some agents) is considered amateur. So unless you have researched your prospective agent,and research proves otherwise, leave it up to the agent to ask.


message 4338: by Amy (new)

Amy Shojai (amyshojai) | 66 comments Md wrote: "Tracey wrote: "Thanks Amy! Even though I did my happy dance when I reached 500, I had a feeling it would be a bit less mind blowing to a literary agent :)."

Hi Tracy,

I agree with Amy re quantity..."


Ditto what MD said. *s* By the way, agents these days DO seem to "fish" the seas of successful indie published authors. I know several who have been contacted by agents for future books AFTER their first few books have done well. And a number of the most successful "indie" books didn't really get traction until they'd been in print 6 months or even longer.


message 4339: by Brian (new)

Brian Bigelow (brian_bigelow) Actually I would agree with the editing comments and making sure you get feedback on your writing. Just because it has a beginning, a middle and an end doesn't mean its good. It needs an engaging story line that threads throughout. I've got unfinished WIP's that are crap in fact and will never be read by anyone. A main thing a publisher will be interested in is how many copies are out.

One of the things that assisted with me getting my present publisher was a story that ended up in second place in a short story competition. The contest itself wasn't the important part of the equation for them, my story had readers. Over 2,000 of them in fact. The publisher also looked at reviews to a small extent only for the horror though.


message 4340: by D.M. (new)

D.M. Lee | 25 comments Md wrote: "D.m. wrote: "Md wrote: "D M wrote: "Hello,

Would like to take the opportunity to say hello and introduce my first novel, which is now available at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alhouranis-De......"


Thanks for the response MD,

Appreciate the time you took into putting it into words, all very solid advice - of which some I already do and the bits that I have neglected or was unaware off will be taken on board.

Understand perfectly what you mean by never being sure when the finished article is truly finished, there is always a sense of could I do more. But if want to make self-publishing a viable proposition for readers we have the repsonsibility to get things right.

Thanks and all the best in 2013

DM Lee


message 4341: by D.M. (new)

D.M. Lee | 25 comments Amy wrote: "C'mon folks, writing is writing. Reading is reading. You can publish crappiocca in a variety of ways--and you can publish gems as well.

E-readers are a delivery system. They have nothing to do wi..."


Wise words....balanced with a sane approach to success. Thanks Amy. Best of luck in 2013


message 4342: by [deleted user] (new)

Amy wrote: "C'mon folks, writing is writing. Reading is reading. You can publish crappiocca in a variety of ways--and you can publish gems as well.

E-readers are a delivery system. They have nothing to do wi..."


D.m. wrote: "Good point, Brian.

There might be a comfort in turning a physical page but surely it doesnt possess that much power that something average could become great or vice versa, a kindle causing som..."



I totally agree. All you have to do is go to a used book store or even most libraries and find some of the "stuff" (aka crap) that was published by genuine publishers at some point in the past. I am not talking about books with outdated information. I am talking about poorly-written stories that do not engage the reader.

Of course, one man's crap is another man's fertilizer.
But I believe there are different measures of talent, hard work, and luck in most successful ventures. Don't give up! Write what you believe in 2013! Keep improving and looking for your audience.


message 4343: by Liz (new)

Liz (authorlizlee) | 3 comments Hi! I'm Liz Lee and I'm a reader, writer, high school teacher, blogger, mom and wife. :)
I read everything. By everything, I mean EVERYTHING--cereal boxes, shampoo bottles, magazines, romance, fantasy, YA, biography. It doesn't matter. I love words.
I write romance.
I blog about life.
I'm new to Goodreads and I'm LOVING it!


message 4344: by Woolie (new)

Woolie Matthews | 12 comments Pretty cool. I'm Jay, I've been on good reads for a couple of months but never ventured further than my own bookshelf or the giveaways. So, Happy New Year to you all. My plan for '13 is to do more me, be more me. So this is a first step.
I'm an avid reader, wanna be writer. Haven't finished a first draft of anything, though have 10 yrs on 2 projects. Hoping to learn how to be more focused. Life has thrown a few curves this past year, and well would like for "the me I wanna be" to surface.

Look forward to reading you and learning....


message 4345: by James (new)

James Hankins | 6 comments (Hope I'm doing this right - I've commented and reviewed but haven't added links. Anyway . . .)

Hi, all. I've been around Goodreads for a bit but haven't posted about my own books yet. I'd love to spread the word about them a little. I recently published three thrillers as e-books. I'm excited to report that the first of them below (BROTHERS AND BONES) just received a starred review from Kirkus Reviews (if interested in the review, please visit http://www.kirkusreviews.com and search for the book by title).

I really hope folks check out my books, and visit my website at http://www.jameshankinsbooks.com. And if you want to connect on GR, let me know.

My books:

Brothers and Bones

Drawn

Jack of Spades

Thanks so much!


message 4346: by Lindsey (new)

Lindsey Tate Hi everyone:

I'm excited to join this group! I write children's books (both fiction and non-fiction) and last year I started to write adult books too as a collaborator. Now I feel more comfortable promoting my books - when they're about someone else! My book about amazing blind artist, John Bramblitt, was just published and I really want to get the word out about him as he is incredible.Shouting in the Dark: My Journey Back to the Light I'd love to find out more about what you're all working on and exchange ideas. Happy New Year - here's to a year of reading and writing!


message 4347: by Shelly (new)

Shelly Greenhalgh-Davis (eagleshadow) | 7 comments Hello, I'm new to this group. I'm a western author with two books on GR, and I homeschool two kids which gives me a reason to do lots of reading of history and classics. I also do freelance editing. Come see my books, blog, and editing services at shellydavisbooks.com
Eagle Shadow
Eagle Rising


message 4348: by Mark (new)

Mark Goldstein | 16 comments Hi, my name is Mark Goldstein and I am new to Goodreads. I enjoy reading, writing and meeting others who do as well. I have recently published my one and only novel (so far at least) on Amazon. I live in Rehoboth Beach Delaware.


message 4349: by Md (new)

Md Auz | 10 comments Jay wrote: "Pretty cool. I'm Jay, I've been on good reads for a couple of months but never ventured further than my own bookshelf or the giveaways. So, Happy New Year to you all. My plan for '13 is to do more ..."

Hi Jay,

One word – Discipline! Set yourself a time, say 20 minutes a day. Sit down at the allocated time and write.

Doesn’t sound like much, but it’s enough to start building your confidence and writing routine - before you know it you’ll be up to an hour or more per day.

It’s from small things that big things grow – but it won’t start until you start – try it, who knows where 20 minutes will take you.


message 4350: by Darlene (new)

Darlene Jones (darlene_jones) | 153 comments Hi,

I'm Darlene Jones. I've published 3 sci-fi/adventure/romance novels and am working on the fourth. Here's my latest release: Embraced by Darlene Jones
I also do a blog of humor and travel bits. http://emandyves.wordpress.com


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