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Impossible to be a fundamentalist atheist, as atheists only share one belief (or lack thereof, more accurately).
I hope you caught that I called the Atheists fundamentalists because I would LOVE to debate that! Please describe for me the "fundamentals" of atheism. What is an atheist fundamentalist? What is a moderate atheist? You can be a religious fundamentalist (accept all of, e.g., the Bible as literal truth and law) or moderate (accept parts of the Bible, reject others). But there is no set of atheistic tenets that one could either completely or partially hold. There's just a complete lack of tenets.
Granted, atheists can be polite or rude, tactful or tactless, overly respectful, overly disrespectful, deferential or unapologetic, etc. But there really isn't fundamental or moderate atheism.
It's been said that atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Now, stamp collectors could be very passionate and hardcore to the point where stamp-collecting is the center of their lives ("fundamentalists") or casual hobbyists who save a nice stamp now and then ("moderates"). But there aren't degrees to which one could not collect stamps. If you don't collect stamps, you don't collect stamps. It's the same for atheism. If you lack a religious belief, you lack a religious belief. How can there be degrees of complete absence?
Girl4beluga wrote: I don't know how you stay so calm..."Oh, calm, yes. Those arguments were laughable, that's why I only 'lol'd'. I found the video amusing. I often find stupidity amusing XD
There is always at LEAST 3 views on any subject.It sounds here like you're making some version of the golden mean fallacy. Instead of having to defend your view on its merits, you simply adopt the view that "extremism" is wrong, implying that "correct" views are necessarily those that lie in the middle. Then you declare the existence of "extreme" views on both sides of your views, and, voila!, your position is now correct.
But, sometimes the "extreme" view is the correct views. Example: How many of your children is it acceptable to kill. The "extreme" views are "all of them" and "none of them." In this case, being a moderate is not necessarily better than being an extremist.
And by the way, you didn't answer any of my questions.
The problem I have with fundamentalism is the idea that there is only one right answer.In terms of objective truths, reality, there usually is only one answer. There's only one way things are. There can't, for example, simultaneously be a god and not be a god. Evolution can't have happened and simultaneously not have happened.
One belief so do fundamentalist Christians only have on belief. That there right. No they don't. They have myriad beliefs. They're easy to list.
1. They believe God created the world in six days, creating Adam, and then creating Eve from Adam's rib.
2. They believe the Earth is 6-10,000 years old.
3. They believe that there was a global flood several thousand years ago, and that a man named Noah, who lived to be several hundred years old, put two of every species of animal on a boat.
And so on and so on.
I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not being intentionally dishonest, but it's getting harder and harder.
Nathan wrote: "The crocoduck does exist! Look to the left."*gasp* ... It doesn't??!?!?!
No, but you usually argue extreme opposite poles which is wrong. You need a third party (or a few) in the middle who can understand both points.There's a difference between understanding both poles and both points, or something in between them, being correct. I have no interest in creating a magical world where no one is right and no one is wrong and everyone understands and loves everyone else and it rains gumdrops. Certain questions are binary: God exists or God doesn't exist. God can't sort of exist. I understand both opinions on this issue. But, necessarily, one of those opinions is wrong. "Understand" does not mean "do not question or analyze."
Yes however evolution and intelligent design could of both happened. No they couldn't have. There is no evidence of design, and plenty of evidence for a complete lack of design.
Here are a few questions I asked in another thread:
Why would God give us a genetic code with huge chunks of inactive DNA? Why would God give whales leg bones? Why would God decide to run a nerve from the brain to the larynx in mammals by running it down to the stomach, a journey that adds 15 extra feet in giraffes, for example? Why would God have us go through a process of embryonic development that gives us, at various points, gills, tails and fur, only to have them disappear before birth?
If anything in life was designed, it was designed by an absolute idiot. "Design" is convoluted, inefficient, wasteful and sometimes harmful. This is not "intelligent" design.
It seems that you view the Bible as a fundamental literlist does (the only difference is you don't believe it.)
You should look at some other interpretations of the Bible.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know how to read? You claimed that Christian fundamentalists have only one belief . I pointed out that this is not true , that Christian fundamentalists have more than one belief . I provided a small list of beliefs held by Christian fundamentalists to disprove your claim. I did not attribute these beliefs to you .
It is becoming very frustrating to debate with someone who not only doesn't know how to stick to a topic, but isn't even aware of a topic, and simply looks for a word or phrase in a post to which she can respond, even if her response is not relevant to anything .
how rude are you? Do u have to swear to get your point across? Hmmm and you belittle the opening poster!
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how rude are you? Do u have to swear to get your point across? Hmmm and you belittle the opening poster!Thank you for the thought-provoking contribution to the conversation. Keep 'em coming!
All I've seen her do so far is complain that people are rude -_-
Someone should start a new group: We All Give Our Opinion and Then We All Get Hugs.
Except conservatives. We don't give a shit about them.
Hey, you only said that 'cuz I referenced that before! :P
I'm going to go cry in the corner, like a fundie after the '08 election...I just realized something, NOWHERE in the bible does it say to breathe. Therefore, all the Christians need to stop breathing, otherwise they'll burn in hell.
Yes, yes, I know I am, thank you all so much.
I'm here all night. Tip your waitresses, they don't make enough.
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I could never work as a consumer, a slave to all the coroporations. Oh wait, too late.
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Nah, I don't smoke. And hippies are too non-violent.
Proof of the creator would end faith of a creator. See how that works. So Atheist and Agnostics would have a definite answer they could use as a reason to believe. Yet I fear, even with proof, the voices of condemnation would find some other hurdle they would ask God to jump through.Bertrand Russell quote: (paraphrase to God) You didn't give me enough evidence.
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Xox wrote: "Maurice wrote: "Prove to us you have."Maurice,
Prove that your Jesus was not a cock-sucker.
That is asking to prove a negative, which does not make sense.
To say there is a creator, ..."
Proof is your red herring. I need no proof. Atheist do not either. It is just there calling card theory.
Xox wrote: "Maurice wrote: "Prove to us you have."Maurice,
Prove that your Jesus was not a cock-sucker.
That is asking to prove a negative, which does not make sense.
To say there is a creator, ..."
No negative to prove with this: Prove you are right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0DdgS...