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Emma Klingler
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May 20, 2025 07:19PM
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Oh yeah wait as far as the trinity goes I had one more point lol. We see Jesus praying to God so many times in the Bible. To worship, for advice, for comfort. Are y’all saying he just prayed to himself?
I mean ye this isn't the debate but let's get into it. God is three in one, as you already know. Jesus is One with God. When Jesus came down, He became human, but He was still God at the same time. He was human so that he could replace us on the cross, and He was still God so He could live a perfect life for us. For the sake of the argument, imagine you've been One with God for all eternity, in complete love, but then you become human. As a human, you should still want to be connected with God, so you pray all the time. It's a step down from just being able to talk face-to-face with God (bear with me, I know it can be confusing) but do you understand what I'm saying?
Ethan wrote: "I mean ye this isn't the debate but let's get into it. God is three in one, as you already know. Jesus is One with God. When Jesus came down, He became human, but He was still God at the same time..."
yeah, but like, how are they the same person? Jesus is the SON of God.
Ethan wrote: "I'm not Mormon, btw"ik lol
✧₊⁺༻❁Ember❁༺ ✧₊⁺ wrote: "Ethan wrote: "I mean ye this isn't the debate but let's get into it. God is three in one, as you already know. Jesus is One with God. When Jesus came down, He became human, but He was still God at..."
Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
- Job 11:17
we cant understand everything about God because His ways are not our ways
Before Jesus was the Son of God, He was the Word. We can see that in John 1. Here, I'll get the verseJohn 1:1-3 KJV — In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This Word was Jesus Who came down to become flesh. It is very hard to understand, ik, but we have to remember that God is not a finite Being. Therefore, it would be impossible to fully comprehend Him.
Ethan wrote: "Before Jesus was the Son of God, He was the Word. We can see that in John 1. Here, I'll get the verseJohn 1:1-3 KJV — In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was Go..."
it says the Word was GOD, where does it say the Word was Jesus?
And again, if Jesus and God are the same person, why is Jesus praying to God?
Yes, it does say that the Word was Jesus. It actually says it in the next verses:John 1:14 KJV — And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hope this helps you understand:)
Jesus prayed to God because He was God in human form. He had to be human to replace us on the cross, and He was able to live a perfect life because He was God.
He was BEGOTTEN of the Father. He was not the Father, though. They are two separate beings.So you're saying He prayed to Himself??
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So you're saying He prayed to Himself??"
I don't think they were two separate beings, more so Jesus is God 100%, but he's also 100% man.
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So you're saying He prayed to Himself??"
*And also Jesus was baptized, not because He needed to, but to set an example
Yes, He was 100% man and God, however, he was not the same person as God, as Hod was His Father. And while he did pray to set an example, we also see him pray in private, like in the garden of gethsemane when he asked God if there was any other way.
Ima participate in a minute. I js need one thing cleared up.Ethan, Jesus is the son of god? And then there's this one big God and then there's this weird floaty thingy called the trinity, what are y'all on?
Also, I have nothing against you or Christians, I'm js curious
Jesus is the son of god but other Christian’s believe he’s the same “person” as God. The Holy Spirit is the “floaty thing” and people believe it’s also the same as god and Jesus, forming the trinity
Excuse my language but that sounds very...eh.I mean, like, that is weird. I'm js curious, not attacking you btw.
How does that work? It's illogical
MAL {Plotting till I die} wrote: "Excuse my language but that sounds very...eh.I mean, like, that is weird. I'm js curious, not attacking you btw.
How does that work? It's illogical"
no I agree. It IS illogical. I do nOT believe in the Trinity lol I believe they're 3 separate beings. idk how it works I'm trying to understand that but people aren't really answering...
Uh, yeah. That's why I'm atheist now. This god bullshit (Sorry to whomever gets offended) is not for me.
again, we cannot possibly comprehend him, as God is a boundless, infinite being. You can find the Trinity in Genesis, when God first creates man.
Genesis 1:26 KJV — And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Of course, it would seem illogical to us; it's impossible for us to wrap our minds around God.
Though this is up for debate, we can see God in three persons throughout the Bible. We can see God the Father prominent in the Old Testament( not saying one person it God is superior to another). In the Gospels, the story was about the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In John 14, Jesus answers Judas' question of what happens when Jesus is gone. Jesus then talks about how the "Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, " will come and remind us of Jesus' teachings.
John 14:26 KJV — But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
just trying to read this is giving me a heart attack, i've done so much research on this and i STILL don't understand 😭
Ethan wrote: "again, we cannot possibly comprehend him, as God is a boundless, infinite being. You can find the Trinity in Genesis, when God first creates man.
Genesis 1:26 KJV — And God said, Let US make ma..."
Sorry but those verses pretty distinctly actually show how they're 3 DIFFERENT beings...
I was just showing that there ARE 3 persons, though you may have known that. If They weren't 3 persons in 1, Jesus would have never stated how "I and my Father are One."
God already said in the Old Testament to the Israelites that there is only one God, so They couldn't be separate Beings.
Ethan wrote: "I was just showing that there ARE 3 persons, though you may have known that. If They weren't 3 persons in 1, Jesus would have never stated how "I and my Father are One."
God already said in the ..."
that isn't meant to be taken literally. They are one in PURPOSE, not literally one. The Bible says to be one with your spouse, correct? It doesn't mean to be the same person.
do you think that there are separate Gods, then?
The Holy Spirit is not a God. Jesus is, as the Bible says many many many times, and as Jesus says, the Son of God
also, if they were just one in purpose, then the pharisees wouldn't need to kill Jesus, because He didn't claim to be God
Ethan wrote: "also, if they were just one in purpose, then the pharisees wouldn't need to kill Jesus, because He didn't claim to be God"He claimed to be the SON of God
but the pharisees knew what Jesus claimed to be, so they killed Him
no, when He said He was One with God, the pharisees tried to kill Him then and there.
Ethan wrote: "no, when He said He was One with God, the pharisees tried to kill Him then and there."again, meaning One in purpose
because He said He was the Son of God!!
not then and there! when He literally claimed that He and his Father were One, they took up stones and were about to kill Him. I don't think that I am able to convince you on this, and vice versa. Yes, He is called the Son of God, but He is also One with God, literally.
but I guess we'll see when we get to heaven:)
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there are transagers ofc"
which is dumb because those people are a mockery of those with actual issues with age-regression"
yeah like people say trans-women for example is a mockery of the fact that bio women have fought for these rights for centuries and now a bio man can just come in and have it all
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Lol, actually Oxford doesn't,
I'm just saying that uh oxford has not been associated with activism. More so Cambridge
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Okay but we can't know that. Like, if I did walk in and say I'm a black man who is 35, nobody can dispute me, not really. We have no way of knowing what means what. If all defintion are now just fluctuating
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MidnightButterfly ~ exam semi hiatus wrote: "➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Faith wrote: "so if i can be whatever gender i feel like at any given time, can i also choose my race and age depending on how i feel? i identify as black today,..."thats what happens when we throw all definitions and boundaries out the window. if me, a white looking, teenage girl walks in and u cant even assume that im not a 35 year old black man.
MidnightButterfly ~ exam semi hiatus wrote: "ray ⋆☾⋆ wrote: "MidnightButterfly ~ exam semi hiatus wrote: "oh wait my badthere are transagers ofc"
which is dumb because those people are a mockery of those with actual issues with age-regressi..."
thats exactly what i mean
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You do not know, because everybod experinces these things differently, and that is okay! No two Black people are the same, and there is no such thing as being "Black" if you are not ethnically black. Because you can't just "become" black because it is no set feelings, personality. It is something you are born with
MidnightButterfly ~ exam semi hiatus wrote: "Even if you say it is scientific that I actually do feel Black, how does one define Blackness? Or "feel" feminine? or "feel" as though you are a 70 year old?You do not know, because everybod exper..."
exactly, shouldnt the same logic apply to gender?
