How many genders are there?

[Ethan]

Ok, dude. Calm down. Not everything has to be a slight.
Gender was already adopted to mean man and woman.

[Ethan]

yes Ik what💀 means bro
moving on
we were taking about word usage of gender; that's what we've been talking about

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

I literally don't know Ethan's argument. Oxford languages definition of gender: "the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female. "

Merriam Webster defines Genus as "a class, kind, or group marked by common characteristics or by one common characteristic" They're always be outliers, and people, things, animals, etc who don't fit that mold.

[Ethan]

yes, biologically.
also listening to Oxford definitions is like listening to Fox, NBC or ABC

[Ethan]

No, there's a reason for root words, as already stated. Oxford has a long history of liberalism and activism.

[Ethan]

what, and listen to a source stained with bias?

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Ethan wrote: "yes, biologically.
also listening to Oxford definitions is like listening to Fox, NBC or ABC"

Oh, sorry, let me pull up my sources proving that gender and sex aren't the same thing, give me one second.

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

ray ⋆☾⋆ wrote: "Ethan wrote: "yes Ik what💀 means bro
moving on
we were taking about word usage of gender; that's what we've been talking about"

you started that as your only rebuttal to trans people 😭"

Me detransitioning because someone said a Latin word said I have to be biologically female (I don't care)

[Ethan]

dude get with the topic. we're talking about word usage rn.

[Ethan]

well actually courting is still a thing.

[Ethan]

blood letting and washing your hands is irrelevant, we're talking about vocabulary

[Ethan]

and with others there are such thing as homonyms.

[Ethan]

we're not talking about appropriation we're talking about vocabulary.

[Ethan]

what's a wench?

[Ethan]

do you mean wrench?

[Ethan]

or winch?

[Ethan]

blood letting still means the same thing, though. whether or not it worked is irrelevant.

[Ethan]

it does evolve, yes, but that usually deals with changing completely of the vocabulary, and usually the previous word would be used as a homonym.

[Faith]

so if i can be whatever gender i feel like at any given time, can i also choose my race and age depending on how i feel? i identify as black today, also im 35, respect that or its hate speech

[Faith]

anyone, i think were getting a lot off track so im tryna start the actual discussion back up

[Ethan]

because you guys always are obsessed with the word gender referring to something you can change

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Faith wrote: "so if i can be whatever gender i feel like at any given time, can i also choose my race and age depending on how i feel? i identify as black today, also im 35, respect that or its hate speech"

Nope <3 If you actually READ MY SOURCES, oh my GOSH Faith read my sources please. You would know that you can't choose your gender, and it's actually neurologically in you. Like studies have shown that there may be a correlation from being developed in the womb and being transgender.

[Faith]

it just seems like the only argument for gender is how someone is FEELING. personally, i prefer to make laws and build norms off of TRUTH. i dont think a man who puts on a dress and says theyre a woman IS one. I support living in reality

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Ethan wrote: "because you guys always are obsessed with the word gender referring to something you can change"

Nope!! I have said this time and time again YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR GENDER. Read my sources, it literally proves that.

[Faith]

ray ⋆☾⋆ wrote: "no one’s lying faith. you just don’t understand. and while, yes, Pierce didn’t give the best explanation, I offered explanations that you ignored so 🤷"

sry what was your explanation? i think i missed it...

[Faith]

➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Ethan wrote: "because you guys always are obsessed with the word gender referring to something you can change"

Nope!! I have said this time and time again YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR GENDER. Read my so..."

so what is transGENDER? it just seems so contradictory!!

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Like genuinely the cognitive effort is little to none, because if you want to debate at least do it correctly. You read your opponents sources, and debate against that. Not make claims of stuff your opponent never said.

[Faith]

➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Like genuinely the cognitive effort is little to none, because if you want to debate at least do it correctly. You read your opponents sources, and debate against that. Not make claims of stuff you..."

i asked a question. cna u not answer?

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Faith wrote: "➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Ethan wrote: "because you guys always are obsessed with the word gender referring to something you can change"

Nope!! I have said this time and time again YOU C..."

Transgender literally just means your gender doesn't align with your sex. And unless you have credible sources proving that that fact isn't scientifically correct, I will take my eight sources supporting that fact.

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Faith wrote: "➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Like genuinely the cognitive effort is little to none, because if you want to debate at least do it correctly. You read your opponents sources, and debate agains..."

What question?

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Faith wrote: "it just seems like the only argument for gender is how someone is FEELING. personally, i prefer to make laws and build norms off of TRUTH. i dont think a man who puts on a dress and says theyre a w..."

Me either!! I DO think that someone who experiences a medically diagnosable condition, and that science has backed time and time again is real though.

You're being incredibly offensive btw!!!

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

So, let me ask you a question: Why do you care? Like genuinely. Will you go to Hell if someone is transgender? Will your parents disown you if someone else is transgender? What on God's green Earth will happen if someone is transgender.

It'll keep turning.

If people want to deny the existence of transgender folk, sure! Go ahead, but history will prove you wrong. History has time and time again. And when I die, I will die knowing I lived my life not letting other people's opinions influence how I live MY life. Because you are NOT affected ANY way by someone being transgender*, but WE are affected DAILY from the bigotry and transphobia that I have faced legit day and day again.

*And if you say stuff like "indoctrinating children" - Raising someone in a religion is doing the same thing. And if you say "Well they're going into the bathrooms and-" I would have you know if someone is going to be a creep, they wouldn't go through the trouble of transitioning JUST to do so, and if they do? They aren't actually trans.

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

ray ⋆☾⋆ wrote: "ray ⋆☾⋆ wrote: "if they are the same then there is no use for the word gender. they are not. that has been proven for years.

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1985-1...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih..."

Oh wait could you PM me those?

[Ethan]

trans means to change. transgender means to change gender. no, it doesn't take that much cognitive ability.

[Emma Klingler]

Ethan wrote: "trans means to change. transgender means to change gender. no, it doesn't take that much cognitive ability."

well, no, actually if you look up the definition of transgender, this is what it gives: "denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth."
do you see the word change in there? Pretty sure I'm not dyslexic

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Ethan wrote: "trans means to change. transgender means to change gender. no, it doesn't take that much cognitive ability."

The definition of trans: "denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth; transgender."

But the prefix means "Other side of", "Across", or "Beyond". So you're just wrong.

[Emma Klingler]

(bro left)

[Ethan]

ye sorry guys I'm working🫠 so I'm just on and off

[Ethan]

look up the meaning of trans. then look up the definition of gender. it means to change your gender. not that hard to understand.

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Ethan wrote: "look up the meaning of trans. then look up the definition of gender. it means to change your gender. not that hard to understand."

Okay so it LITERALLY doesn't. The prefix trans means "Other side of", "Across", or "Beyond". So, AGAIN you're just wrong.

[Faith]

so if i can be whatever gender i feel like at any given time, can i also choose my race and age depending on how i feel? i identify as black today, also im 35, respect that or its hate speech

i juust copied and pasted, this was my question

[Faith]

and literally everything anyone on here has said agrees with the fact that is is purely mental

[Faith]

Ethan wrote: "ye sorry guys I'm working🫠 so I'm just on and off"

same

[Faith]

➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "So, let me ask you a question: Why do you care? Like genuinely. Will you go to Hell if someone is transgender? Will your parents disown you if someone else is transgender? What on God's green Earth..."

yes, indoctrinating children is one things, and pumping chemicals into children is another. biological men competing in womens sports is yet another. i feel like those are valid reasons

u can do what you want, its ur life. i just dont understand why trans people should be given special accommodations because theyre in the 'minority'

[Faith]

my personal reasons come from the Bible, but there are plenty of reasons outside of that

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Faith wrote: "so if i can be whatever gender i feel like at any given time, can i also choose my race and age depending on how i feel? i identify as black today, also im 35, respect that or its hate speech

i ju..."

And I answered that. "Nope <3 If you actually READ MY SOURCES, oh my GOSH Faith read my sources please. You would know that you can't choose your gender, and it's actually neurologically in you. Like studies have shown that there may be a correlation from being developed in the womb and being transgender."

[Pierce Samuel ✞︎ (My Girlfriend's Ver.)]

Faith wrote: "and literally everything anyone on here has said agrees with the fact that is is purely mental"

But not something you can choose. Trust me if I could choose to be cis and not constantly defending my existence to people like you, I would.

[Faith]

i never argued that you could change your gender lol im pointing out the inconsistency in your arguments

maybe i missed it (sry im busy) but i didnt see that you answered it and i didnt see any sources. can u just explain it to me?

[Emma Klingler]

Faith wrote: "➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "So, let me ask you a question: Why do you care? Like genuinely. Will you go to Hell if someone is transgender? Will your parents disown you if someone else is tr..."

Nobody pumps chemicals into children😂😂😂

Who gives them special accommodations? All they ask is decent human respect. Do you NOT want decent human respect? Do you want someone to start calling you a boy even though you're not? Didn't think so.

[Faith]

what about puberty blockers? what about giving testosterone to very healthy young girls? what about the harm done in chopping off body parts? yeah id say bad things ARE happening to children

i dont want a trans "women" (a biological man) in my locker rooms! wth are we putting tampons in men's restrooms? why are men allowed to compete in womens sports? i personally have problems with those things