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How many genders are there?
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May 18, 2025 09:31PM
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*I messed up the categories, I apologize. I meant male, female, non-binary, and Agender.
For me I see gender as binary and then not. Because to me male and female trans and cis folk have the same gender. I think adding cis and trans before women & men is just adding more detail.
If we look at gender in the analogy of cars for example:
Men: Has cars
Women: Has trucks
Agender: Has motercycles
Non-Binary: Has Jeeps
Now, someone can go "I own a car" (I'm a boy) and you'd know they're a boy. BUT someone could also give you more information saying "I own a red car" (I'm a trans boy), and he'd still be a boy, just providing more information.
At least that's how I see it
so genuinely j curious, isnt gender then nothing but a figment of our imaginations? because for male and female, theres something specific that makes us one or the other. gender seems to be a made up concept. this is what i believe, id love to hear others thoughts;)
Gender 100% is a social consruct, so there are no and infinite genders
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Gender is literally just how you fit into the socialistic construct society has built.
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Probably non-binary, and enby is an umbrella term for anyone who doesn't fit the binary
so if its only a figment of our imagination, why do people build their whole selves around it? wouldnt they want to build it on something more concrete?
Because its so normalized by society
isnt that a problem?dy mean that this isnt really who people are but theyre doing it because its 'normalized'?
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➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "You're like so far right, you've almost just made a 180 to the left. That's EXACTLY what we're saying. And that's why a lot of folk identify as non-binary, because their brain doesn't fit the stand..."if thats what your saying, thates crazy lol
if gender is purely imaginary, why are people trans? they want a body like that of the opposite sex? so body DOES matter?
Because it has been normalized so much by society.
Faith wrote: "if gender is purely imaginary, why are people trans? they want a body like that of the opposite sex? so body DOES matter?"Well one of the first things people recognize is gender, consciously or subconsciously, like when you see a feminine presenting person in public and you talk to your friend about them your immediate reaction would be to use she/her (or they/them if that's your go to for people you dont know)
Thus when a person's gender doesn't align with their sex they have the urge to change how they look so people recognize them for how they feel they are which is why trans people or any person outside the gender norms will try to change their body/look
so people are doing it simply bc everyone else is doing it?
No ones saying its imaginary, just that its a social construct
oh ok what other things are social constructs?
Ethan wrote: "oh ok what other things are social constructs?"time
also religion, sexuality, and age
also Ray, if it seemed like I was mocking you, I apologize. I am kinda obsessed with intellectual consistency
Ethan wrote: "ok could you expound on that?"is this to me?
well for oneTime, gender, age, and sexuality are all things made up by society to label us and put us into neat little boxes to prevent confusion. Had nobody come up with these names or titles for different bodies and points in peoples lives or ect we wouldn't really know what it is nor would it impact our lives the way it does now-
we've normalized these standards and labels so we can elevate ourselves-
like with social standing/class-
another construct thats been layed on people even money
Not many could envision our lives without money or the idea of a persons social ranking in the world but had we not invented money we wouldnt have people placed into these imaginary lines of class separating the poor from the rich.
(btw this is a very existential topic so ,like, just tell me if what I'm saying is confusing.)
And for two-it's the same with religion, there's so many different ones and it's all because people need something to follow and guide them and to feel the safety and comfort that some eternal being(or beings) is watching out for
Had nobody decided to put their faith into these once living people and build up a faith and hierarchy and dream of the afterlife religion wouldnt exist
its a mindset and comfort meant for the followers
I can understand that. What about animals? They know what time to wake up, eat, drink. They have specified times for these. They also know the difference and roles of genders. From lions to seahorses, they all have specific roles in a family. I guess religion would be a different argument, so maybe we won't go there just yet.
Well for animals they act on instinct, its been primarily ingrained into how they function and they simply just don't understand going against it.
ok granted seeing how my problem is purely Biblical and how I've already have my 2 cents on it, maybe I should stop here😅
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Faith, I'm going to repeat this ONE more time for you, WE DON'T CHOOSE THIS. I've cited a plethora of sources to prove that, it's a biological & neurological phenomenon.
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age is a social construct?
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there are transagers ofc
➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Faith wrote: "if gender is purely imaginary, why are people trans? they want a body like that of the opposite sex? so body DOES matter?"Faith, I'm going to repeat this ONE more time for you, WE D..."
i didnt say u choose the desire. but u absolutely CAN choose ur actions. its your life so im not going to say what you should choose, but to say u have no control over ur actions is just a bad excuse
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Faith, I'm going to rep..."
Of course we can control our actions?? I NEVER said we couldn't, but we can't change the fact that our gender doesn't match our sex. What if I put you in a man's body, and then forced you to live like that for the rest of your life? It sucks, it sucks SO much. And I genuinely wouldn't wish this on others. So I'm sorry you may not understand, or may not be comfortable with my choice to transition, but I will not NOT transition, because this choice is life saving.
Except gender comes from the Latin word, "genus," meaning "kind."You can't change your kind. xx and xy stay the same.
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You can't change your kind. xx and xy stay the same."
That's sex. Not gender.
Well if we're taking schematics, then let's get it right. It's the literal root word of the word gender, so let's use it that way.
what is wrong with you? we're just having a debate, dude.
Anyway, if we have just changed the definition then that's just a societal issue because that's just not what the word means.
genuine question: if gender is merely imagination, why should i have to respect when people change their pronouns?
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Yk it's bad when you need to use the root of a Latin word, when literal basic biology deproves you claim <\3
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You should be kind to see yourself be kind. THAT'S why you should respect someone. And it's not "imagination", it's a social construct.
➶ ｡˚ ° Pierce Samuel ˋ°•*⁀➷ wrote: "Faith wrote: "genuine question: if gender is merely imagination, why should i have to respect when people change their pronouns?"You should be kind to see yourself be kind. THAT'S why you should ..."
literally u agreed with me that it was imagination
is it kind to go along with someone's lie?
yk it's bad when you need to remind people of basic vocabulary Pierce😭
no, this has nothing to do with being right or wrong, Ray. Also, you're wrong about it being adopted in the 1900s. It was actually being used in the 14-15th century. It was the 20th century when they started using the word sex to refer to mating, rather than it's previous use of being synonymous with the word gender.
