Does Objectivity Exist?

[Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version), Creator, Head Moderator]

Great idea, Ray! Not sure where to put this, though T^T

[Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version), Creator, Head Moderator]

ray :P wrote: "this is fine! thank you!"

Oki and yw!

[Austin]

Depends on your framework in which you view the world. The christian framework thinks that objective truth does exist. Post modern framework says that there is no objective truth it is all just perspective

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Yeah j mean in hiduism its the same theres one objective truth that we are all trying, or not rrying lol, to go towards, and everything else is just an illusion

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ray :P wrote: "I actually considered converting to hinduism for that reason"

Well you dont really cinvert to hinduism you just kinda are its a world view lol but cool ig haha you can discuss that tho in the hinduism discussion topic!

[Austin]

I guess im not familiar with a denomination that would disagree with the idea that there is discoverable truth. Maybe one exists. Im just not familiar with it.

[Austin]

Lol people might disagree over the finer points but to my knowledge all christian denominations believe God made the world with discoverable rules which point to his objective truth.

[Austin]

Lol there is a but more than merely asking to the equation. But sure i believe anyone can repent and follow jesus

As for the creation my belief is that God is outside of our dimension. The 3rd dimension acting in the second dimension argument. But long story short. God does not see time the same way we see time. Maybe for him 7 days is billions of years. I think the 7 days passage is more meant to represent the order in which things are made rather than the exact timing of when it was made.

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The order is a little iffy though

[Austin]

I dunno i think the order makes sense

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light (day 1), the sky (day 2); the earth, seas, and vegetation (day 3); the sun and moon (day 4); animals of the air and sea (day 5); and land animals and humans

Light without the sun? The earth without the sun? PLANTS without the sun?

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Like cmon at least my view of creation makes scienitfic sense 14 billion yrs ago

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If God created discoverable laws of physics then..?

[Austin]

Light could be the big bang

The planets would form as dust balls then the sun forms to pull them into orbit.

Life started in the sea first then moved to land

It all makes sense if you think about it

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Austin wrote: "Light could be the big bang

The planets would form as dust balls then the sun forms to pull them into orbit.

Life started in the sea first then moved to land

It all makes sense if you think ab..."

No it doesnt you cant have life without the sun lmao

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And the sun is literally older than the earth

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Gos can do anything BUT it isnt the same laws then is it

[Austin]

I mean we know deep sea life exists where the sun cannot reach it is not an impossibility

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I always viewed at as the order doesnt matter, but the fact there WAS order sjows god is ordelry vs israels chaotic neighbiurs

[Austin]

Yeah again different denominations do exist and have different views but all of them align with God created the universe in a logical way.

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Austin wrote: "I mean we know deep sea life exists where the sun cannot reach it is not an impossibility"

No, the sea woukd be frozen without the sun lol

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Lobotomies were the way to go

[Austin]

O think it is europa that they think might have a liquid sea under a mile of ice. Earth’s heat could make a liquid ocean

[gia]

ray :P wrote: "now with objective morality I do pose the question…
Is it morally wrong if say someone was raised as a cannibal and they never were told any different and they continued cannibalism as an adult? Is..."

did they know what they were doing is wrong? did they have mental problems from the trauma?

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Austin wrote: "O think it is europa that they think might have a liquid sea under a mile of ice. Earth’s heat could make a liquid ocean"

Earths heatisnt enough

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The order isnt acdurate, the sun has been proven to be older than the earth i had to listen to some crap about how the earth js 6000 years old by my firend no more

[Austin]

Lol well as a historian i look at things as transient. As in where we are today is not the destination things could change. Some things mire than other. At risk of getting inflammatory. I think that transitioning is gonna go the way of lobotomies. At the time lobotomies were seen as the cutting edge of science. Today we look at it like. “Why would you mess with the brain? that is silly.” I think in 10 years we will look the same way at the trans craze.

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Austin wrote: "Lol well as a historian i look at things as transient. As in where we are today is not the destination things could change. Some things mire than other. At risk of getting inflammatory. I think tha..."

Well maybe but im saying like weve already got the age of the sun we arent gonna turn out and say wait wait the earth is now 6000 years old

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Lkke we make progress until dark ages then the progress dies and we start again

[Austin]

The earth is much larger than europa so it would make much more heat

[Austin]

Well the dark ages was where morality progressed

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Austin wrote: "Well the dark ages was where morality progressed"

Theres been mutliple daek ages

[Austin]

As for the canibalism stuff the christian would point out the scientific detriment of canabalism and would consider it their mission to ease them away from canabalism. This is explicitly imperialism though

The post modernist would say that is their culture and all cultures are beautiful

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Austin wrote: "The earth is much larger than europa so it would make much more heat"

Not hecessaeily europa is a satellite, earht is a planet, two different structures.

Earth would literally not subrive withiut the sun.

[Austin]

Lol fiiiiine mini. I was talking European dark ages

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So yeah the order is just yeah no, you cant beleive science and also beleive that order, jts one or the other

[Austin]

Lol more mass=more gravity= more heat.

Im just saying it is possible

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Yeah like jupiter so hot

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So hot neptune

[Austin]

Yes they would be very hot at the surface

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So yhen God would KNOW the correct order

[Austin]

Well even if the missionaries arent convincing colonial powers to occupy the people and the land it is still considered colonialism because the christian missionaries are destroying their native culture by convincing them not to do canabalism. Which is what post modernism is very much against

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Let thr natives figire out cannablism is bad not affecting me bruh

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Well if god is all knowing ,yes

[Austin]

So i would think the post modernist response would be who can say what aspects of culture are essential? If we take away their canabalism then it is no longer their culture.

From the christian perspective converting them through missionaries would be ideal. Slowly bringing them into the modern day without demanding they understand everything at once

[Austin]

Lol i am convinced mini is just being sassy with creation order stuff

[Austin]

I agree which is why i dont abide by the post modern framework

[Austin]

Yeah i mean the idea is interesting to take away layers or understand biases but the idea that anyone can see anything without some layer of bias is just foolish.

The joke goes. Take away layer and layer of interpretation and soon what you are looking at is clear and then we see nothing at all

My opinion is that you need some ground to stand on. You can be floating in an undefined vacuum of space you need the gravity and solid ground of history under you.

[Austin]

Lol i view socialism the same way. My ancestors were screwed over by communists so i also have a bias there

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Austin wrote: "Lol i view socialism the same way. My ancestors were screwed over by communists so i also have a bias there"

Wait where? Germans?