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message 101: by Potato (new)

Potato | 181 comments Is the oldest Carl's junior now a Carl's senior?


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mr. garlic bread ✨(semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "mr. garlic bread ✨(semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Griffin ✨ wrote: "I was a conservative , than it came to my attention that im gay

And for m..."


i feel youuuu when i turn 18 i def will vote third party!! i mean i lean democrat but there are several things democrats stand for that i dislike, and i hate their persuasive approach which isn't really persuasive at all.


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Sai :) (the climate catastrophe is real) | 1898 comments Mod
Potato wrote: "Is the oldest Carl's junior now a Carl's senior?"

i think they would be ded now.....


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Sai :) (the climate catastrophe is real) | 1898 comments Mod
mr. garlic bread ✨(semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "What if life was made later on? What if life was made earlier? Where would we be if life came about at a different time than it did? What if humans evolved differently? What if humans were created ..."

what is consciousness? what does it mean to sense? what does it mean to see? or hear? or think? or love? or hate?


message 105: by Austin (new)

Austin If you are asking about the authors if textbooks i used when i was in school i dont remember


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments Lol austin did his own curriculum


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Barnette ⋆˙⟡  (my girlfriend's version) | 4889 comments Mod
Why do we park on driveways but drive on parkways?


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Sai :) (the climate catastrophe is real) | 1898 comments Mod
MidnightButterfly wrote: "Whats a parkway"

good question. i got no idea


message 111: by V3NUS_ (AKA olivia) {BIG HIATUS!!} (last edited Mar 14, 2025 07:44AM) (new)

V3NUS_ (AKA olivia) {BIG HIATUS!!} (hanakothegreat) | 1794 comments wait guys
idk if this is a deep thought but..
what if the life we know is just a fever dream? what if we're just reliving the life that we had before we died or smth?
i don't know-- :3


message 112: by Austin (new)

Austin I assume roads in national parks?


message 113: by Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version), Creator, Head Moderator (new)

Barnette ⋆˙⟡  (my girlfriend's version) | 4889 comments Mod
Austin wrote: "I assume roads in national parks?"

Basically


message 114: by Austin (new)

Austin Lol the simulation theory j think is essentially what hinduism and budism believes. Where reality is an illusion and the highest calling we can achieve is to rise above the illusion and reach heaven or nirvana


message 115: by Austin (new)

Austin Well mini is hindu im sure she will correct us when she gets back


message 116: by Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version), Creator, Head Moderator (new)

Barnette ⋆˙⟡  (my girlfriend's version) | 4889 comments Mod
mr. garlic bread ✨(semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "correct me if I’m wrong… but I thought hinduism and buddhism don’t teach that reality is an illusion but rather a trial that you are to remain focused on what truly matters through in order to gain..."

That actually sounds awesome tho


message 117: by Austin (new)

Austin A nice calming song about simulation theory
https://youtu.be/UY2AS8s4G5U?si=XXjUp...


message 118: by Austin (new)

Austin So because im super into history one of my favorite genres of science fiction is alt history. I think it is fun to explore the butterfly effect and see where it goes.

One if my favorite timelines is the southern victory timeline. It starts where the south is able to fend off the northern advance and is able to become it’s own nation. The timeline ends in 2013 where the germans dominate europe and are still monarchist. The austro Hungarians are still around and russia is functioning liberal democracy. While the US took over most of north america and tgen went down the path od socialism and bankrupted itself and broke up into a patch work of smaller nations.

Another i enjoy is the Trotsky timeline. Where Lenin is assassinated earlier and names Trotsky as his heir before Stalin is able to usurp the party. Then in ww2 russia doesnt honor their pact with Germany and attempt to Bring about communist revolution in europe through military means. They are stopped just outside paris and the allies ally with fascists to try and retake europe. Ending in the US and a german dominated europe in a cold war where the US tried to liberate european colonies and the europeans try to hold into their colonies. During this time civil rights ends with extra handouts only being paid to whites and the americans accepting african refugees. Allowing blacks to become the largest voter block in america while due to the distruction of the white family whites get poorer and poorer and adopt more and more fascist ideas. By the end if the cold war and the disillusionment of the reich the republican party is primarily black and the democrat party openly flirts with fascism.


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments What is this essay


V3NUS_ (AKA olivia) {BIG HIATUS!!} (hanakothegreat) | 1794 comments Beautiful essay :3


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments mr. garlic bread ✨(semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "correct me if I’m wrong… but I thought hinduism and buddhism don’t teach that reality is an illusion but rather a trial that you are to remain focused on what truly matters through in order to gain..."

I mean the thing is, we see the world as "Maya" which means literally "illusion". As in, this world is all kind of, God's playground.
And it is actually pretty complex, but put simply you both are right. This is an illusion or is not the real goal, what we achieve in this world, material things, aren't the real goal. But reaching God is. But you reach God through this world, and you can not neglect this world and God's creation and you have duties you need to follow.
So you live in the world, and keep in the back of your mind, this isn't really the main goal. This world is not the be all and end all.


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments Austin wrote: "So because im super into history one of my favorite genres of science fiction is alt history. I think it is fun to explore the butterfly effect and see where it goes.

One if my favorite timelines..."


Woah


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments MidnightButterfly wrote: "mr. garlic bread ✨(semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "correct me if I’m wrong… but I thought hinduism and buddhism don’t teach that reality is an illusion but rather a trial that you are to remain fo..."

But if you make mistakes in this world, it does have repurcissions. But God is merciful, and you have multiole chances to learn from them. It is why we beleive in reincarnation. But you want to reach God as quickly as possible.


message 124: by Austin (new)

Austin The interesting thing is that the southern victory timeline has a multipolar world order.

Barhat and ethopia are in aliience against the ottoman empire and pakistan.

The europeans are against the Russians and Chinese and everyone influences the former US states


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Barnette ⋆˙⟡  (my girlfriend's version) | 4889 comments Mod
TW: Death, kinda dark

This is also a bit of a rant but I thought it was deep so yeah

Sometimes I'm scared of my getting mixed up with reality. My dreams are always very vivid and sometimes I get false memories, recalling things that didn't happen or getting dejavu when something irl is similar to what happened in a dream. I also have a weird fear that everything is just a dream, nothing is real. It's just a really vivid lucid dream. And sometimes that's why I lose motivation to do things (*cough* take care of myself *cough*) because I'm like, what's the point? I don't even know what's real or not. Everything could be fake, just a figment of my imagination or someone else's imagination somehow. And then I wonder if there's
anything beyond this life/dream. Like will I actually wake up if I "die"? Or is there like some other form of living?

In conclusion, what's real? Is everything just a vivid dream? What is reality?


※ Lily the Lilac ※ (lilythelilac) | 728 comments Barnette wrote: "TW: Death, kinda dark

This is also a bit of a rant but I thought it was deep so yeah

Sometimes I'm scared of my getting mixed up with reality. My dreams are always very vivid and sometimes I get..."


0-0 Super deep one B. I've thought about the whole dream thing as well, but if it helps... if everything's a dream, what's the big deal? It doesn't really matter if life's a dream or simulation or something, because it's still being experienced the same! We'd all still just go about our lives, even if it's all just a dream, because it's real to us


※ Lily the Lilac ※ (lilythelilac) | 728 comments I dunno, that might just be an optimists' outlook on it though


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✿ Lily the Lilac ✿ ~ Kinda Online wrote: "Barnette wrote: "TW: Death, kinda dark

This is also a bit of a rant but I thought it was deep so yeah

Sometimes I'm scared of my getting mixed up with reality. My dreams are always very vivid an..."


Actually I love that outlook, thank you 😭


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Barnette ⋆˙⟡  (my girlfriend's version) | 4889 comments Mod
Question for everyone: when you think, what do you experience? Are your thoughts just made of pictures? Letters/words? Voices? What language?

For me, I experience all three when I think: pictures, letters/words, and voices in my head. All my thoughts are like a voice in my mind - my voice, and in English unless I'm specifically trying to think in a different language. And many of my thoughts appear as white letters in my mind, and I'll often see pictures and animations of what I'm imagining and thinking about.

When you're reading in your head, what do you see and hear? Do the words appear in your head? Is there a narrator in your mind? Do you "see" an animation of what's happening in the book behind your eyes? I hear a narration of the book, in my voice, as if I'm reading aloud but it's in my head. I also often see the words in white letters behind my eyes, and can sometimes vividly imagine an animation of what's happening in the book and hear each character's voice in my head. How about you?


V3NUS_ (AKA olivia) {BIG HIATUS!!} (hanakothegreat) | 1794 comments guys this is elias, one of olivia's mask people!!
my main concern is that what if i'm not real? what if I'm just a figment of somebody's iagtamion? alos, I mean imagination. i can't really spell that well because I type so fast
but luckily the computer corrects my typing mistakes


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Barnette ⋆˙⟡  (my girlfriend's version) | 4889 comments Mod
OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "guys this is elias, one of olivia's mask people!!
my main concern is that what if i'm not real? what if I'm just a figment of somebody's iagtamion? alos, I mean imagination. i can't really spell th..."


What do you mean by one of Olivia's mask people? And yeah I get what you mean by worrying you're not real, I feel that a lot


V3NUS_ (AKA olivia) {BIG HIATUS!!} (hanakothegreat) | 1794 comments Barnette wrote: "OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "guys this is elias, one of olivia's mask people!!
my main concern is that what if i'm not real? what if I'm just a figment of somebody's iagtamion? alos, I..."


well, we were created by Olivia to be used in.. I dunno, uhhh
let me consult..
Olivia has "many different versions" of herself that she uses for different purposes? like an alterior motive? i'm not sure


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OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "Barnette wrote: "OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "guys this is elias, one of olivia's mask people!!
my main concern is that what if i'm not real? what if I'm just a figment of somebody's i..."


Oh. Okay


V3NUS_ (AKA olivia) {BIG HIATUS!!} (hanakothegreat) | 1794 comments Barnette wrote: "OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "Barnette wrote: "OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "guys this is elias, one of olivia's mask people!!
my main concern is that what if i'm not real? ..."


i'm sorry if that's weird :(


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OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "Barnette wrote: "OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "Barnette wrote: "OᒪIᐯIᗩ ~♡ A Dagger to My Heart ♡~ wrote: "guys this is elias, one of olivia's mask people!!
my main concern is that what ..."


No no, sorry, I just didn't know what else to say... Sorry.


message 136: by Austin (new)

Austin So i really hated my time in school and college and i get dreams all the where i am at school or college and im failing a test or didnt study. Butbi have the ability to avid dream or control myself and the world around me in my dreams. So when i get such dreams i remind myself of the fact i graduated then make my dream something else. The field of dream study is really fascinating. I dunno i can avid dream so to me i can tell what is real and what isnt because i dont just fly around like super man in real life lol


message 137: by Austin (new)

Austin So the idea of thoughts is also really fascinating to me. Like we have discovered that langue fundamentally changes the way you perceive the world. For example there has been multiple experiments done where a child is purposely taught no language and they think way slower than the rest of us at that age. Essentially language conveys info. Kinda like pre chewed ideas. So like when a child is born they have nothing in their head. But they are taught many things. Essentially either you learn something through life experience or you are taught it. Either you eat the poison berries and die or hear someone else tell you they are poison and take their word for it.


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Austin wrote: "So i really hated my time in school and college and i get dreams all the where i am at school or college and im failing a test or didnt study. Butbi have the ability to avid dream or control myself..."

Wdym by avid dream? Is that like lucid dreaming?


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Austin wrote: "So the idea of thoughts is also really fascinating to me. Like we have discovered that langue fundamentally changes the way you perceive the world. For example there has been multiple experiments d..."

Yess I find that fascinating. I was just thinking yesterday, if a child was never taught any form of language, how would they think?


message 140: by Austin (new)

Austin So to me i think that is kinda the divide between conservative and progressive.

The progressive is happy to discard ideas they see as out dated. While the conservative takes time to understand fully the ideas of the past.

This easily manifests in the ways we differently view history. The conservative view of history is that “we are standing on the shoulders if giants.” Our ancestors spent all their lives to come up with ideas and build things for us. Great architecture, art, monuments, literature and religion. To convey to us ideas it took life times to develop. And when we look back into history we see these ideas and evolve over time.

The alternative view of history is “monkeys killing each other.” Often seen as the marxist or progressive view of history. Where the whole of history is people fighting and killing for recourses, land and women to breed with. And that the only thing that changes over time is the tool we use to kill each other or exploit each other with.


message 141: by Austin (new)

Austin Yeah avid dreaming is the same thing as lucid dreaming


message 142: by Barnette ⋆˙⟡ (my girlfriend's version), Creator, Head Moderator (new)

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Austin wrote: "Yeah avid dreaming is the same thing as lucid dreaming"

Oh okie


message 143: by Austin (new)

Austin Lol the short story of a child without language is essentially they dint think like at all. They explore everything


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments This is very deep. I agree witht eh history view lol. The "conservwtive" one but we shoukdnt totaly nelgect the progressive one.


message 145: by Austin (new)

Austin You like the monkeys killing each other ideas?


message 146: by Austin (new)

Austin You like the monkeys killing each other ideas?


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments Austin wrote: "You like the monkeys killing each other ideas?"

I dont like it, no. Im saying that people were killing each other for resoirces, BUT It was the advent of civilisation that prevented this. The state, the social contract, even language


message 148: by Austin (last edited Mar 21, 2025 02:22PM) (new)

Austin I am not saying that conflict doesn't happen. But i think the Marxist view is too reductionist


butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta) (midnightbutterfly23) | -147 comments Austin wrote: "I am not saying that conflict doeant happen. But i think the Marxist view is too resuctionist"

As in?


message 150: by Austin (new)

Austin it ignores everything else about humans.


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