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Should the Ten Commandments be Displayed in Public Schools?
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Legolas a.k.a. Jeremiah De Mortimer or Lightwood wrote: "If you give the kids the Bible to read as a school assignment, (I wish) then you might be "forcing" your religion on them but simply hanging up the laws that guided the Founding Fathers as they mad..."again this is factually incorrect. the ten commandments didn't influence the declaration of independence the ideals of the enlightenment did. jefferson himself in letters directly disproves this - please scroll down to the direct quotes from jefferson disproving the idea.
a little snippet in case you don't the time to read it:
"in a january 24, 1814 letter to john adams, jefferson went through a detailed lawyer’s brief to show that the entire idea that the laws of both england and the united states came from judaism, christianity, or the ten commandments rested on a single man’s mistranslation in 1658, often repeated, and totally false:
“it is not only the sacred volumes they [the churches] have thus interpolated, gutted, and falsified, but the works of others relating to them, and even the laws of the land,” he wrote.
“our judges, too, have lent a ready hand to further these frauds, and have been willing to lay the yoke of their own opinions on the necks of others; to extend the coercions of municipal law to the dogmas of their religion, by declaring that these [ten commandments] make a part of the law of the land.”
he explicitly states and disproves the idea that the ten commandments had any role in creating american laws (or the declaration of independence)
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Regardung the ten commandments the question is if it really is even chrisitian at all. It is in the old testament, and most of the old testament, according to christians, did become invalid after jesus. Which is why we can split the ten commandments in half - the moral + cultural laws.Moral would be things like, no stealing, honouring father + mother etc
Whereas things like keeping the sabbath day maybe not so much
Considering the sabbath seems to change with every new religion XD
The Bible (mostly in the old testament) has many things that wouldn't necessarily be better for us in this day and age. Of course, there are some morals that make sense but in CERTAIN situations. As an example, "honor your parents" makes sense in certain situations but not every one, because of ab*se. Not all cultural laws really reflect political/modern day ones.
Also, America was not founded on Christianity, but freedom of religion, hence the first amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
https://constitution.congress.gov/con...
ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "Legolas a.k.a. Jeremiah De Mortimer or Lightwood wrote: "This country was founded on CHRISTIAN morals."but that was overriden the minute they put “freedom of religion”"
This is Sky for those of you who know me. I will be coming back on Thursday, but I'm impatient. This statement is completely correct. Displaying the ten commandments in public schools would violate the constitution. "Freedom of Religion" implies that we are allowed to be whatever religion we want. Whether that's Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or whatever. Displaying the ten commandments in school would basically be saying "'YOU SHALL NOW BE CHRISTIAN." On of the rules on the ten commandments is "thou shalt have no other gods before me." They are very literally taking Christianity and shoving it down our throats. I respect being Christian. But I am not. My family is not. They cannot force me to become Christian, but they're trying to. It violates the constitution and I will not stand for that.
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Rhyleigh wrote: "ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "Legolas a.k.a. Jeremiah De Mortimer or Lightwood wrote: "This country was founded on CHRISTIAN morals."but that was overriden the minute they put “free..."
Okay I just want to point out that putting it on the wall is not forcing you to become Christian or even look at it. So, if we're being technical here, it doesn't force you to be Christian, so it doesn't violate the constitution.
I still don't agree with putting it on the wall, but I just wanted to point this out.
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Rhyleigh wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "Legolas a.k.a. Jeremiah De Mortimer or Lightwood wrote: "This country was founded on CHRISTIAN morals."but that was overriden the minu..."
This is for Rhyleigh. It doesn't matter if it is forcing you to become Christian or not, it matters that it is putting them in an educational space and displaying them in a way that is not secular, teaching students about the 10 commandments is fine as long as it is in a secular fashion, displaying them during that unit is fine. Forcing teachers to have it in their classrooms without context is not okay, values one religion over others, and is a violation of the first amendment and separation of church and the values this country was built on.
clown_the_basking_shark wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "Legolas a.k.a. Jeremiah De Mortimer or Lightwood wrote: "This country was founded on CHRISTIAN morals."but that was o..."
Like I said, I don't agree with putting it on the wall, I'm just trying to point out to Sky that it isn't violating the constitution because it isn't forcing you to become Christian. And I never said it was okay to put it on the wall, please understand that. I just wanted to let everyone know that it's not TECHNICALLY forcing you to do anything by putting it in a classroom.
(I did not back read)I dont think you should just bcs not everyone is religious and i feel like if you do its putting it in kids minds they should/ or have to follow the rules of one religion. but i think you should be aloud to teach all kinds of different religions in school so students know there are many religions they can choose if they wish and so that they have a open mind about the world
✦Artemis✦ wrote: "(I did not back read)I dont think you should just bcs not everyone is religious and i feel like if you do its putting it in kids minds they should/ or have to follow the rules of one religion. bu..."
Yep. That's basically my opinion, unless it's a private Christian school, in which case it is 100% allowed.
And I'm not saying that we SHOULD put it on the wall, but I'm saying it would not be violating the constitution
Rhyleigh wrote: "And I'm not saying that we SHOULD put it on the wall, but I'm saying it would not be violating the constitution"^^this
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Barnette wrote: "Can someone tell me what would even be the point of having them in schools anyway, other than just propaganda? Like, they mean nothing to non-Christian kids, and it will just make them feel uncomfo..."exactly. I mean, I'm Christian, but if I went to public school and idk Islam beliefs or Jewish beliefs were on a wall, I would feel uncomfortable and left out and confused.
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How is it NOT violating the seperation of church and state? It's bringing the church into part of the state...
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Exactly
Barnette wrote: "Rhyleigh wrote: "And I'm not saying that we SHOULD put it on the wall, but I'm saying it would not be violating the constitution"How is it NOT violating the seperation of church and state? It's b..."
Oops sorry lol I was talking about the Freedom of Religion I forgot to specify
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How is it NOT violating the seperation of church ..."
Ohh lol sorry
yeah lol everyone's saying it violates the first amendment, but it doesn't
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yes agreed because like i said in a previous post it creates a christian environment and would make non-christian students feel uncomfortable and excluded. it's a learning environment-- our goal should be to make each student feel comfortable and ready to learn. and anyways i don't see the point in hanging up the ten commandments
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YES agreed!!!
Random idea- what if instead of singling out and favoring, etc, they just put up everything? Like, there's hallways in schools, right? They could hang up the ten commandments. The could hang up lgbtq pride. Hang up muslim verses, or the equivalent to the ten commandments in different religions, as many as they can fit. Inclusion, and still has the commandments. Everyone's happy. All or nothing, as my parents like to say.
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Good idea!
Tessie ~face of an angel, mind of a killer~ wrote: "Random idea- what if instead of singling out and favoring, etc, they just put up everything? Like, there's hallways in schools, right? They could hang up the ten commandments. The could hang up lgb..."frrr
Legolas (He is risen!!!!!!!!!!!) wrote: "Barnette wrote: "Legolas a.k.a. Jeremiah De Mortimer or Lightwood wrote: "Why not? Give me a good reason why not."Because not everyone believes in Christianity, and putting religious content like..."
america was founded on the basis of religious freedom and the on the backs of slaves <3
i’m a christian btw, and i think it’s so so wrong. if we put up the ten commandments, then shouldn’t we also put up rules from other religions? that would be ok, i guess, but still wrong. if it’s a private catholic school then absolutely go ahead, but not at a regular public school. that is not freedom of religion if there’s ONLY catholic/christian imagery there. that’s just propaganda.
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Well said!
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exactly! like it's kind of forcing stuff onto kids, not directly but definitely indirectly. if you're christian and want others to also be interested in christianity there are so many better ways to do it. like literally today when i was biking home from school two guys were standing at the crossing right outside my school and kindly asking all the students if we wanted a free bible. if we said no, they just moved on, and if we said yes, they just handed us one. like this is just an example, but im just saying if you care a lot about your religion there are lots of great ways to do that
Because not everyone believes in Christianity, and putting religious content like..."
respectfully disagree - america was not found on the christian faith or morals, it was founded on the idea of religious freedom.
christianity is the religious majority in modern america however, it's historically incorrect to say that america was founded a christian state when it was never ever founded that way.