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♡»» Should There be LGBTQ+ Content in Childrens' Books? What About Religious Content?
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I dont know. I saw the article like 3 years ago and it was just a scanning. Idk if they banned it or not yet but im just saying what i saw before
Ill try to find and article similar
Ill do it later im too lazy rn
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By that same logic you could say that crushes usually lead to sex, right? Which means that children shouldn't read books with crushes in them, right? Lots of children's books depict things that could possibly eventually lead to sex. I literally own a book I got in first grade, Junie B. Jones and the Mushy Gushy Valentime. It's targeted at really young kids, and I read it when I was a really young kid. I also watched all the Hotel Transylvania movies when I was young, and one of them has a kissing scene at Mavis and that other dude's wedding. Later on Mavis also gets pregnant. BUT GUESS WHAT I STILL DID NOT KNOW WHAT SEX WAS. crazy, i know
Sol, possibly wrote: "I think everyone should be able to feel seen as a kid. and idk how reading a LGBT book will "turn you gay" or a religious book will "turn you religious." I mean I learned about WWll and am yet to i..."agreed. (but Denmark beware)
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I dunno man. I remember seeing an article (and by..."
nobody's condoning that
and at that point, its not even a childrens' book anymore
Since many people in the world are LGBTQ+, I think there should be some LGBTQ+ content because they need to be aware. Not in books targeted for very young kids but in chapter books for sure, targeted around maybe 4th grade.
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whats the obsession with invading denmark 🤣
Im friends with these people in real life and I still dont know so dont feel bad
Sai wrote: " ౨ৎ Chadwick ౨ৎ wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "Heres another thing: Who in the world is writing books with sex in them and then labeling them as childrens books?"I dunno man. I remember s..."
Yeahhhhhhhh
Zahra wrote: "Im friends with these people in real life and I still dont know so dont feel bad"its a bacon thing, I can't explain it without going back months. sry (ask sol)
Jamesie wrote: "So your saying that kissing and dating doesn't lead to sex. LAST I CHECKED IT USUALLY DOES." even kissing and dating is not what soemthing Christains should read
Bracha wrote: "Jamesie wrote: "So your saying that kissing and dating doesn't lead to sex. LAST I CHECKED IT USUALLY DOES." even kissing and dating is not what soemthing Christains should read"well that doesn't mean that it should be banned from all books. not everyone is Christian. not all Christians believe the same things.
not to mention the bible has many interpretations and translations
"Jamesie wrote: "So your saying that kissing and dating doesn't lead to sex. LAST I CHECKED IT USUALLY DOES."
Isn't that the guy who's rage-baiting. Can't remember.
Ella✨(booktrovert) wrote: "Zahra wrote: "Im friends with these people in real life and I still dont know so dont feel bad"its a bacon thing, I can't explain it without going back months. sry (ask sol)"
idk so its actuallly like an ace thin that i said in a groupchat once to see if anyone knew what it meant and it just became a thing :/
btw Carissa wants in on the Bacon Chat
oh wow??? carissa?????? in a cult??????? theres no going back.....
Sol, possibly wrote: "WAIT NO NOT A CULT"COUGH
IT WAS ALL AN INNOCENT MISTAKE!
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CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "What is happening what cult huh-"nooooooooothing. nothing at all.
*cough.LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT!
KOTLC and the debate about the two, nameless, gay side characters: GO!
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I personally don't understand what the big issue is, they're just side characters. It (obviously) doesn't mention anything sexual. BUT... I have seen some people say that Shannon Messenger (the author) only added gay characters this far into the series because she might have felt a little societal pressure and hoped it would look good, or something like that. I think there should be LGBT+ characters in a book for queer readers to feel represented, but the characters should not feel FORCED, like these ones apparently did. It wasn't really necessary for her to mention these characters being gay, but not a bad thing either. I'm just not sure what the big deal is? Feel free to explain why some people are giving Messenger such backlash, I really want to know. Thx
CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Ella✨(booktrovert) wrote: "KOTLC and the debate about the two, nameless, gay side characters: GO!"I personally don't understand what the big issue is, they're just side characters. It (obviously)..."
100000000% agreed. But the people I saw were saying that it ruined the whole series.
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CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Ella✨(booktrovert) wrote: "KOTLC and the debate about the two, nameless, gay side characters: GO!"I personally don't understand what the big issue is, they're just side characters. It (obviously)..."
i agree with thisss. it is important for the representation so young queer readers can have someone to relate to, which (even though it wasn't that long ago 😭) i think it has been so cool to see more queer characters in books for younger kids(that aren't in the form of sidekicks who are immediately killed off 😭) (i do think they should keep it around like 4th grade)
idk if this makes sense I'm kind of just rambling 😭
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l i z [save the sharks❗] ˖𓍢ִִ໋🌊🦈˚˖𓍢ִ✧˚. wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Ella✨(booktrovert) wrote: "KOTLC and the debate about the two, nameless, gay side characters: GO!"I personally don't understand what the big issue is, they..."
EXACTLY.
fr like i wish i had more of that when i was a younger reader... i feel like i would have been so much happier/comfortable with my sexuality/gender identity if i had seen more of myself in characters (idk if these characters were missing in all books or just my library tbh....)
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EXACTLY. I also feel like if it would show up in books more, people would feel more comfortable with their own identity and acceptant of other's.
Sol, possibly wrote: "*others' /j"it was autocorrect's fault. see! it tried to make it autocorrect fault. it wasn't meeeeeeeeee
(I'm kidding)
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I think ethics should be taught to kids
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*thinks about my middle school*
it would be helpful
personally, the representation didn't feel forced. I didn't realize that the characters were queer until later on (like i didn't notice, then went back when it was brought up again). i feel like most of the outrage might be because the character were then like: why cant our society be like this? (their society discourages people from seriously dating, due to a high emphasis on genetically "preferred" matches, with marriages that aren't genetically preferable resulting in anyone involved being ostracized - resulting in a very cisheteronormative society)also, this might be me projecting, but alvar (side character) read as super aro-coded
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as long as it don't have sex in it I think it shouldn't be banned
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Austin (Weird) wrote: "as long as it don't have sex in it I think it shouldn't be banned"I very much agree with you. Some books which I found is NOT GOOD have sexual content in them and the school is "FINE" with it?!?!?! There is many court fights against parents child's school because of this reason btw. T-T
I agree on concept but i suppose the question is what do you define as sex? Like some graphic acts people say arent sex
I dunno man. I remember seeing an article (and by seeing i mean my mother showed me the article after she found it) about how there's sex books in public schools and it showed ILLISTRATIONS. FRICKEN ILLISTRATIONS of a dude giving another dude a bj
(this was like in either early 2021 or sometime around the time biden first got in)