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okay, so, Stewart would be disappointed that Teddy chose to be in stem over written literature or something to do with the family business. Teddy wouldn't know this, but Stewart might be a bit jealous of the fencing ability since he was never able to dedicate himself to build any muscle or skill like that. One thing that Stewart would respect is Teddy's grind and dedication to work which could probably be one of the only positive connections they share besides Stewart's wife/Teddy's mother?
As for Teddy's childhood, I think their first disconnect could be from Stewart making Tam a favorite golden child and only recognizing Teddy for achievements (but never making those celebrations as extravagant as Tams)?
ok, makes sense. i didn't really see teddy being close to either of his parents, but then again, the mother hasn't been created, so i have no idea lol.
also, on the whole fencing thing, teddy actually first started fencing to prove to everyone - including himself - that he wasn't as weak as they thought. and he still feels kinda self-conscious of the fact that he isn't as strong as his brothers
i see... that could work. which, what with tam of all people being the favorite, that would cause even more of a disconnect, since tam always bullied teddy.me wondering if there's anything i need to change in teddy's profile. honestly, making profiles first always leads to things needing to be changed lolbut, yeah, that sounds good.
he doesn't have to be close with his mom but he should like her more then his dad from what I'm reading.
stewart is also self-conscious since even in his youth he never had good muscle strength, fighting ability, or magical skills. so yeah, that's just stewart's perspective on that.
tam's the oldest right? that's what I remember. anyways, if so, then yeah, that could work. he would have just ignored the bullying and called it "sibling squabbling" or smtg.omg I'm so sorry. changing profiles is such a pain :(
yeah, that would make sense. feels that way. i guess we'll have to see when someone claims the mom lol.
yeah, he is. sounds good.i'm sure it's all good, maybe aa few small changes. i've honestly been meaning to redo all my old chars, but i've only done one so far.the thing is there's always smth that changes, almost as soon as i start rping or making collabs lol
Hi sorry late to the game just got up.
Okay, so, Tamrion. He's the eldest, and major life events:
1.) he was always in and out of detention at Cogworks for fighting with other students. And as he joined the militia formally post-graduation, always fighting with higher ups because Tam is...a classist, sexist asshole
2.) he was thrown out of the militia at nineteen or twenty. This was major because it made him even more volatile and horrible than he already was, and made him feel like a failure. He's a brutish sort of man, and being thrown out was humiliating to him, so that atop of the family curse makes him very very angry and he is an awful person so none of that ended well for the people around him
3.) he had been engaged to Alianna, heir to the Calico house. They'd been best friends as kids, committing acts of sadistic horror together, but got engaged with plans to unite the houses but stay separate and mind their own business in a sense. step for tam towards the calico wealth, alianna gets more manipulation and paper control. then when she ran away post-council election a few years ago, Tam is even MORE volatile and angry bc oops there goes that wealth, and also, yeah, alianna was his best bud! they bullied people together!
the bully duo to engagement/marriage of convenience pipeline lol
@Bella
Okay, I just wrote this! Lemme know if you think it's an accurate reflection:
[ theodore kenneth seavey
alive
youngest son.
stewart and his youngest son have an estranged relationship. over the course of his life, theodore chose to take a life away from the seavey goals (even if he doesn't know them). the disappointments piles on over the years: over exaggerating sibling squabbles, causing a scene about melody and the niece, choosing stem as a career, joining fencing. all things done by "teddy" either don't align with stewart's views or makes stewart jealous. as a result, the two have settled for an estranged relationship. while "teddy" remains in the seavey manor, they only interact when required for publicity or for a stiff uncomfortable conversation during tea hour.
@bella ]
@liz
alright! so, Tam was basically a bad kid (which was ignored by Stewart), went into the militia (with support of his father) and then got fired (so Stewart pinned the blame on the Haydens XD), and finally he was in an (arranged?) engagement with Alianna before she left (causing there to be bad blood between Calicos and Seaveys).
Do you have any thoughts on Tamrion's relationship with his father? So far I've kinda established that he'd be the spoiled golden boy of the family with Bella.
vaguely yes! So, he was absolutely a bad kid, also in trouble for smoking when he was like a teenager (okay perfect), and then I think Tam also went into the militia to avoid his father! So while Stewart supported this, he also felt something smothered by Stewart's pressure for the family business, so Tam high tailed it out of there (and to be away from his siblings lmao), and only truly got interested in the family business when he was thrown out (perfect, and Tam also blames the Haydens bc they did throw him out, and he and Cal have hated each other since, like, childhood). and yes! the engagement i forget how old he was but it fell apart at like, 17 when alianna ran away. there could be some bad blood, but Tam still sees that family as one of the only true respectable noble lines, despite eadric sleeping around lol. that is to say, he wants their wealth bc its luxury items and jewels and such, but compared to like, the haydens and stormvales? calicos are fine
um yes! okay, so, that works for him as the spoiled golden boy, but I think Tam was also feeling pressured by his father, and while he knows he has to make him proud, he gets worried his father will be cruel to him, and felt stifled as a kid, hence some of the acting out/joining the militia. he now respects his father and the business, but he did feel a lot of pressure and internally disagrees with his father on ignoring melody and such
sounds pretty good. although teddy does know that he's going against the family ideals and traditions in a lot of things. also, on the "over-exaggerating sibling squabbles" - well, i guess maybe when he was younger he would have complained to his parents about tam. prob more likely to have taken it to his mom, tho? idk. and then later of course, he ended up just accepting it.
if you wanna take a look at teddy's profile, and let me know if there's anything i need to change there in regards to his father, you can.
matthias has been detained by the militia several times throughout his life, mostly for being a general nuisance while trying to be an investigative journalist, but also later in life for potions usage, and he has a pretty serious addiction problem
i did put in that his dad hit him at least once when he was eleven, but it's up to you if that was a one-off thing, a reoccurring issue, or something i should take out
overall, matthias follows in the family line of journalists and does believe in their noble superiority to an extent, but he has a good heart hidden beneath the curiosity and haze of drugs and he questions whether the seaveys should be reporting the truth more than they currently are
@liz
yep, i'll make sure to fit that all into the history! only question is, was the engagement arranged or voluntary?
yeah, they can definitely have had a rough relationship that's healed over time. perhaps when he went into the militia he ignored his father's messages and once he was thrown out the two reconciled and fixed their dynamic? what do you want them to be like right now?
@bella
yeah, most of that is mostly just Stewart's views since it's what I check in his profile. even if mom handled it, she'd probably tell him it happened since his wife is the only thing he truly cares about.
i'll look once I finish changing Sapphira's aesthetics!
@alpha
I think voluntary actually? Like I guess I wrote it was agreed upon, but I could see them deciding to do so, because they had agreed to marry each other but still have trysts with people they loved on the sides. maybe parents suggested and the ids agreed and worked out terms?
Here's his profile, including relationships I had before you started Stewart, so I'll change as needed: Tamrion
and yeah he probably did ignore his messages when we went into the militia, like if he knew his father approved, it was good, but he still wanted to escape said pressure and such. And that could work, they could have fixed it, but Tamrion also got more volatile after that and probably knew his father would be ashamed of him or something for getting thrown out. but i did say he became more truly invested in the newspaper business after so yes, i could see time healing some of their problems with one another!
and yeah, I think Tam, despite getting into fights in his youth and smoking, probably likes to make fun of matthias for being detained by the militia and makes fun of him being a delinquent
@liz
okay, so the parents were the first to mention it but the children sorted the terms of the engagement and made it official. nothing was ever forced by the parents. does that sound good?
okay, so looking at the description you gave in the profile, I like that Tam has his own opinions on Stewart and family traditions. that being said I think when he was little Stewart was probably obsessive with praise and teaching Stewart how to be a patriarch (basically smothering him) hence why the militia no-contact thing happened? Stewart saw it as trying to get Intel on the militia and approved it but and once Tam returned from the militia he saw his son as a man rather then kid and gave him more space which helped their bond heal.
As for the anger and stuff, I think that Stewart would overlook it of tell Tam to find a satisfying (not healthy, satisfying) release?
@isabella
Sorry I missed yours on the last post!
I don't see Stewart as the physically abusive type. he's more likely to use physiological abuse or smtg if you'd like to substitute.
following in the family business would make Stewart proud of Matthias. He'd probably get annoyed with all of the Hayden clean-up but wouldn't tell his son no since the boy isn't a disappointment like Teddy.
@Bella
the profile looks good to me. just some verbal abuse from the dad which tracks. idk if he'd call him outright weak per say but definitely would talk about him being the family disappointment and stuff like that.
@all
if I missed anything I apologize to all<3
@alpha
I say yes! Works for me.
Yeah! I think he definitely does, if only because he does love Melody more than anyone else in the family and because he is queer himself (and hides it), so naturally he'd kind of disagree with some of the Seavey's beliefs. But not all, he definitely remains classist and arrogant. And that works! I can see Tamrion being both frustrated by the obsessive praise and smothering, and getting overly pressured by it, and also having it stoke his ego at the same time, honestly. And yeah, so when he went into the militia it was partially to ignore and annoy his father, and partially because he liked hurting people and wanted to lord his strength over the citizens. and that could work! its just that Tam was thrown out from the militia versus chose to come back, so I'm not sure how well Stewart would have taken that on Tamrion, like if he viewed him as a disappointment or anything. If not, then yeah that works, since I know Stewart likes to ignore what Tamrion does wrong lol
ok, all good! I don't think I specified exactly what he said? anyway, yeah, all good.
@bella
I saw that Tam and his dad called him weak somewhere that's why I mentioned that. but it's just a small detail so yeah!
@liz
I think Stewart would probably just brainwash himself into thinking that him getting thrown out was meant to be since it brought him back to the family. He would take joy in pissing off the Haydens too XD and his reaction overall would be a welcome home and I know you got kicked out for this so just find a good way to not screw us over in public and your fine lol (so healthy.). does that kinda make sense? I think I might have word vomitted on accident.
@AlphaWhile we're talking about it, I was going to write out Lawrence's history soon. Is there anything I should add that's important?
@kyleigh
remind me who in the family Lawrence is. Sorry!
Alpha : ♡ Summer Semi-Hiatus ♡ wrote: "@bella
I saw that Tam and his dad called him weak somewhere that's why I mentioned that. but it's just a small detail so yeah!
@liz
I think Stewart would probably just brainwash himself into..."
I think that works!! He’d do what his father wanted and try and make himself look good for sure
@AlphaNo, you're fine! He's the uncle, so Stewart's brother.
@kyleigh
oh right! thank you!
so yeah, Lawrence is the younger brother of Stewart. So he has to be younger then 48. Also, the age curse doesn't apply to Lawrence, just to the first-born son.
Another thing is that Stewart and Lawrence do have a sister. i'm still working out her character but she was basically married out of the family and Stewart forgot about her. When she's made she'll be the Thorne Sister-In-Law (just note this is her second marriage since she divorced her first husband after having a child). Stewart has no contact with his sister but idk about Lawrence.
Lawrence is married, to who I have no clue lol. He also has a daughter who was disowned by the family years ago. Basically Lawrence's daughter bullied (verbally and eventually physically) Melody which finally resulted in the family disowning her/him. After the daughter transitioned to be Zain Rose Jackdaw, @payne. I don't remember other details on that off the top of my mind but that is important.
Other then that, I think you should be good. Any questions are welcome anytime!
✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: "Alpha : ♡ Summer Semi-Hiatus ♡ wrote: "@bella
I saw that Tam and his dad called him weak somewhere that's why I mentioned that. but it's just a small detail so yeah!
@liz
I think Stewart woul..."
great!
@AlphaPerfect, sounds good! Thank you!
oh my gosh i can't believe my little disaster boy has his father's approval!! 😭😭😭 i can't imagine how much that bothers all three of his siblings
absolutely wild. yeah, his siblings prob have, um, thoughts on that lol (pray tell, how is Teddy the disappointment here? XD)
tam dislikes both if it makes anyone feel better 😘 he’s a hypocrite when it comes to Matthias but he verbally berates him to make his own issues look better lmao
can someone remind me how the grimcrofts and devices are related (gotta avoid incest in this whole backstory thing I'm working on lol)
Hey! So I hadn't planned on making the families related, but I think that could work! It would definitely be fun :) What did you have in mind for your character's backstory?
I just thought I remembered aelin having a devoe who was in the Coven, but I can't remember for sure lol
i was thinking my device grandson's fiance was possibly related to my nice bearer, but idk fs yet.
but pretty much, I was thinking that the fiance was killed by that branch if the devoe family, which leads to a lot of like investigation stuff. but I also considered that maybe they were already investigating and that's why he was killed, without him being related, idk which way I'm going yet.
btw, would the devices have an issue with his being gay, and are 23 and 21 good ages for my devoe grandchildren? (they're a sister and brother)
*and killed by a branch if the Grimcroft family NOT devoeI'm thinking maybe that branch of grimcrofts is up to some questionable uses if nagic
Yeah, Sua is the Sun Keeper. Ooh, I like that idea! I think that would work!And most likely yeah, especially the grandparents. They're more traditional compared to the rest of the family. And 21 and 23 would absolutely work!
ok, thanks! at this point, I think the grandson is a lucky employee (and trying to solve his fiance's death), and the granddaughter is a lawyer
now the great question is whether my nova bearer is in on anything, if so how much, and if I wanna claim the aunt or whoever it is that Cynthia may or may not end up killing, or see if anyone else is interested...
@kyleigh how upset would the devoes be about adrien not only being gay, but also dating a guy from asterath? who i think was held back a year in cogworks too, and very skater-boy vibes
Also Kyleigh (sorry, so many questions xd):
(and everyone with a devoe cousin for the last questions)
1.) you mentioned sua as the half sister of audrey and veralyn; I looked at her profile and by any chance do you know if Aelin mentioned how much the twins would know about sua? it seems like she was raised by her mother? and was she a commoner? I know she's in the coven, but was the mom another noble from another family, or a commoner?
2.) what is the devoe family in charge of, the way the delcaroixs are in charge of masonry, the haydens the militia, etc?
3.) if the current patriarch dies, the next in line is the twins' father, right? and then it would be audrey or veralyn, i presume?
4.) anyone with a devoe! what are we thinking for cousin relationships and such? here is my character right now:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I doubt either Cynthia or Adrien would get along with her very well lol. then again, I'm still working on them both.
i feel like growing up, Cynthia would be the type to be a bit of a snitch. i do think that she wants to do the right thing, and had maybe a slightly classist worldview at first, due to how she was raised, but would never hurt anyone, or approve of anyone else doing so. the fact that vera isn't very smart would prob annoy her too.
as for Adrien, I feel like he's a bit less concerned with always doing the right thing, but also totally against all of that. i feel like he tends to avoid conflict tho.
but like I said, I'm still working on them, so some things may be liable to change.
so they'd pretty much share that classist worldview but other than that, probably did not get along super well? how old are both of them/would they all have been in cogworks around the same year? I saw something about cynthia being super smart, Veralyn would probably be slightly jealous given she is not an academic person
Yeah, sounds about right, except both of mine would kinda start to see the issues as they got older. i mean, Adrien was literally engaged to someone from Asterath, so yeah, that prob led to some issues between him and the rest of the family. and, yeah, Cynthia is really smart, and always fought to stay at like top of the class. grades were very important to her. oh, and Cynthia is 23 and Adrien is 21, so I believe Cynthia was in like the same class as vera, and then Adrien like a class or two below that.
okay cool! so same class, that works, and changing their issues works too.
"Veralyn is not the biggest fan of her cousin. In the same year at Cogworks, she often felt like an academic idiot compared to Cynthia, the top student. As such, she holds a bitter streak of jealousy towards her, reminding herself over and over again that nevertheless, she holds more power in Voxthain. Or maybe, Veralyn is just trying to convince herself of such. Still, while both were raised with a classist worldview, Veralyn also knows Cynthia would never harm a person, and it has Vera lording over her, believing her to be weak. Over the years, she has seen Cynthia become kinder, change her mindset, and it has never failed to disgust Veralyn. She, Alianna, and Tamrion largely left Cynthia alone, not the main target of their spite, but occasionally Vera relished in spreading a rumor or two."
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does this work?
"Like with Cynthia, her younger cousin's mindset and worldview became more accepting as he got older, and this bothered Veralyn immensely. While she also scoffed at his engagement to an Asterath man, she also understood some of the allure of Asterath's neons and bars. Still, she sees her younger cousin as kind of a weak loser, and believes for marriage, he should have stayed in Voxthain's noble circle."
sounds good :)
the irony is that Adrien isn't exactly a fan of Asterath itself lol. not to live in, at least. XD
hi guys its me your favourite bitch (i hope)
i have a forensic pathologist/medical examiner (who is also the transmutation and science/emerald homeroom teacher) in the works and i had a couple things i wanted to run by these might also kind of be questions more than collabs sorry 😭😭🫶
i was thinking she might work on like the autopsies for bodhi's victims for the most part and also other dead people,,, im a bit behind on reading other roleplays atm aha,,,
she's extremely inspired to a point of mild copyright infringement by dr. temperance 'bones' brennan from the peacock series 'bones', and the 'temperance brennan' book series by kathy reichs, i love the tv series so much 10/10 reccommend i was actually just watching it 5 minutes ago anyway if you want to get a better understanding of her character since im not completely done yet maybe check that out (maybe watch it too,,,)
so questions;
i. so like first of all do we have any other characters in forensics/autopsy works that she might know/work with?
ii. is there anything that's happened so far that she might have worked on so i can read through the roleplays and get a better understanding, maybe add notes for myself or something into her background? like i said i'm not caught up with roleplays, i have a vague idea of what's happening bc of the plot updates from rory + isabella but still like yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
iii. so also i was thinking, she has like a psychometry-esque ability i'm still working out (haha im so lost haha) but it's like magic related, so like for example when someone dies im thinking they probably have some magical residue that she's able to sense and do her psychometry imprint reading shit but since the bodhi victims dont have any magical imprint left it could be hella confusing for her like wtf man anyway just a thought im still working it out
iiii. also like. if you guys have any ideas lmk bc ive been gone a while so like i said 50x im pretty lost and clueless atm hmu <33333333333333333333333333 mwah
hey ash, welcome back!
i. so for this. i don't quite know, but it is possible that her work as a medical examiner, if that is the route you go with, ends up falling under the general medical work? The Thornes kind of run the hospitals and such in Voxthain, so if she is from Voxthain, it is possible she works at one of their hospitals. however, if you go the more science work, I truly do not know where she would be or who she would be working under? besides maybe the Council? Also, if she is in Asterath, then I am at even more of a loss, I am so sorry
ii. bodhi killed a man in the path to lantas view diner i believe? so maybe reading that, or any information that was newly posted by rory and isabella regarding the magic-sucking device the crew is using, and how that works? as for other plot stuff related to the character you are making, right now i dont think most of it would directly apply to her backstory. but regardless, the updated plot stuff i think is also posted somewhere
iii. so magic remains in someone's body rory was saying a certain amount of time after they die (i forget the exact amount of time, a half hour maybe? it's also posted), so I highly suggest reading and searching through the information topic. last weekend the whole group was updated, so I'd suggest a fresh read through on a lot of stuff!
edit:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
here!
he's into stem, and like I said, he already has a part-time apprenticeship. other than that, I guess he's prob in fencing club/team whatever. his goal is to be an inventor, I guess. move up from apprenticeship.
yeah, I was feeling like him getting the cold shoulder would make sense. what I have in his profile is that he feels like an outsider in his own family, and Melody is the only one he's close to. he disagrees with his father on pretty much everything, which he doesn't really talk about, but well, that is a thing. he's also really shy, and has social anxiety. tends to just bury himself in his work a lot too. so, how would Stewart feel about all that? in his his profile I said his father felt similarly to tam, because that sounded about right, but now that you're actually baking him, let me know.