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So just to make sure, for the Delacroix aunt, would she have been born into nobility as well, or just married into it?
that’s true, but i have like 2 leclaire characters and i wanna make the third but I’m not sure how I claim elissa without making them an established noble family
but if we already have ideas and a full blown backstory… idk
✧ aelin - 东海龙王之女 ࿐࿔ wrote: "that’s true, but i have like 2 leclaire characters and i wanna make the third but I’m not sure how I claim elissa without making them an established noble familybut if we already have ideas and a ..."
exactly, that's the issue...I'm not sure :/
the Delacroix aunt would have born I to the nobility delacroixs don't do marrying commoners lol
*sigh* but technically we already have one/two characters with the surname leclaire (one of them unmade) so…?
wait, they aren't an established noble family? why did I think they were?
✧Bella✧ wrote: "the Delacroix aunt would have born I to the nobility delacroixs don't do marrying commoners lol"True lol.
@aelin btw, I'm working on a memory log post, and I said Elissa's dress girly ruined by one of the dogs Elliot let into the ballroom. that ok?
they're not, we needed a family elara came from, and calicos also don't marry commoners lol so...we made up another noble family that was never exactly claimed/legitimized in the group
✧Bella✧ wrote: "@aelin btw, I'm working on a memory log post, and I said Elissa's dress girly ruined by one of the dogs Elliot let into the ballroom. that ok?"sound good! elissa would have gotten so mad
(Elissa US the name of Alex's biological mom, right?)
ye
lmao
Draven's having a panic attack and Alex is like, well, your brothers an idiot, but my mom's (well, he just flat out calls her Elissa leclaire) dress got ruined, so not a total loss
LOL you have to rp draven and Alex at some point
yeah, I do lol (well, I'll at least be posting that even in Draven's log soon). first, I gotta do Draven and Elliot tho.
ye
you’re really busy lol
Okay, so I'm working on family relations/opinions/everything-else-that's-totally-not-sketchy for the Seaveys. ANYWAYS, I need a few descriptions of the noble families that the noble registry can't assist me with. Basically, this is anything that I would need to know when deciding how the Seaveys would feel about the family. I have already completed the ones for Delacroix and Haydens so I don't need those. The Calicos are on deck since I already have a description. I'm pretty certain I understand the Thornes but I wanted to double check on any family drama I should be aware of before officializing it. The ones I have no clue on the family history (besides whats in the noble registry) are the Cranes and Ellington-Wyvers. Take you time on these, and sorry this is quite a big request. It's just easier to have it in one place. Thank you!
So for the Thornes, there is no real family drama per say when it comes to infighting within the house, they're probably one of the easier-going families. That said, the matriarch/heir was the mother, and she did marry a commoner/medic who she fell in love with when volunteering her own time at one of her hospitals, and so the fact she married a commoner probably didn't sit well with some of the more classist families like the calicos and delacroixs. the husband is also dead now, he died of an accident when their youngest child was like, eight.
Speaking of which, as of now they only have two kids, a son and a daughter. Son is not claimed/unmade but in my head he's a kind, generous person, and the daughter as well, but whereas the son is the heir, Avaliyah, the daughter, is a medic like her father, so possibly, again, looked down on among some other nobles because she's not being a "perfect noble" and actually getting her hands dirty/she wants to help people. Also, both kids are also half noble blood, half commoner, so do what you will with that for the Seaveys. But no infighting really in the Thorne household so far anyway, they're accepting, open-minded people who want to help everyone regardless of social status!
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Calicos are basically everything wrong with stereotypical nobility, but as I explained them yesterday, we'll leave it at this haha, let me know if you have questions!
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Haydens are the smallest noble family right now, you know their views on classism and whatnot, very open-minded, reshaping the militia to genuinely help people, not abuse their power. One thing I will add is the matriarch did refuse to marry eadric calico back in the day so that kinda...did not get a good rap for either of them, and she married a smaller less wealthy noble man under threat from her own mother. this man in my head was posed in voxthain as a spy for serpentine with a false past, but when his crimes were exposed he was arrested and cal murdered him in his cell, unknown to everyone except her adoptive mother. may be a younger adoptive brother at some point, unsure yet. haydens are wealthy but same as thornes, probably not looked on kindly by calicos and delacroix bc the matriarch adopted a commoner and married someone who later turned out to be arrested for crimes of murder and theft (to the public), and be a spy.
alright, so for the ellington-wyvers, isabella and rory have the matriarchs so you might want to check with them, just in case, but:
they were originally two different noble houses, the ellingtons and the wyvers. the matriarchs are fae (the ellington one), and taz (the wyver one) both families ended up in hard times. i believe fae's mother died in childbirth, and her father just kinda left her to deal with all that (could be remembering wrong tho), and the wyver parents were killed by the shadowfog (i kinda had it mentioned that the mom was a councilor, and was researching it, but now i realize it didn't clear that with rory... oops). fae has a younger brother, who is currently unclaimed, and taz has an older brother, lucien, who's one of the councilors.
lucien kinda had to provide for the family since he was a teenager after their parents died, and he did like a bunch of odd jobs, as well as writing for the paper, but sex work ended up becoming his main source of income, which something he never wants to get out, because scandal. he's also had someone killed, so yeah...
fae and taz are both like really nice people, and taz is a total goof ball. taz also doesn't really use magic much. anyway, they became best friends in cogworks, and after both of their houses were falling apart, lucien became a councilor, and then taz got the idea for her and fae to get married to save both their houses. it's a strictly platonic marriage, but they're very happy with it. the house has been doing better since then, although, yk, like the registry said, they're still fighting to get back all they lost.
taz and fae also adopted a couple of commoners. one is unclaimed, and the other arya, is, i believe, 12, and not exactly your typical noble girl lol. she's based off arya stark. so, because of that, families like the delacroixs and calicoes do look down on them, as well.
Also, update on the Seavey situation. For those interested in the sons/brothers, the eldest must be straight and has the strictest requirements. The other two can be more wild, really just depends on what your looking for and if they match a certain few things.
What Bella said is entirely correct!
@Alpha
okay so, the Seavey situation, as you put it haha. I am curious about one of the brothers, probably not the eldest bc my capacity for making straight characters dies with every passing month, but. I am wondering about either the middle one or the twin. My idea, and I wanted to run this by you first before I claim one, because I want to respect what you had in mind for the Seaveys, is this:
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@elizabeth
what is the age ish your looking for him to be? otherwise, just let me ponder it for a day or two. i'll be sure to get back to you in 48 hours, I just to to let my brain do it's job for a bit
anywhere 18-23 probably, and no worries take your time. If you don’t agree that’s fine and I’ll probably claim the Ellington brother!
*le gasp* is arya getting a brother?
To everyone who has a Delacroix,I'm currently working on the aunt, and I would like to establish her relationships with the rest of the family. This will be for the Calicos as well since they have connections to each other. Let me know and we can discuss :)
whoops sorry!
@kyleigh
i have lala, her eldest daughter! what do you think their relationship would be like?
i also have the calico matriarch, but im not sure they would tend to interact much
@kyleighI have her second daughter, Athena, who isn't really on the best of terms with the family, due to not exactly luv ng up to the delacroix name, the way they see it. she's a cogworks ta, and also in a band that she started while still in school (I do have on her profile that her parents told her she had to stop doing that when they found out, but she kinda just didn't listen, and tried to keep it secret)
I also have your character's nephews, Elliot, who is disowned, and draven, who is head of the house (in title at least), and their mom, Esmeralda, who is the would be the sister-in-law of Evelyn's husband.
I do also have a calico, flex who's friends with Draven, but idk if there would be much of a relationship there, since he's only 18, and Esmeralda is the calico one.
@AelinI think Evelyn would probably get along better with Lala than with Athena since she believes she lives up to the Delacroix name compared to Athena. As with Elara, yeah, they might not interact with each other much. But Evelyn might see her as too kind and forgiving for her own good. We can definitely talk about it more if you want :)
@Bella
Yeah, Evelyn's relationship with Athena would be more strained than hers and Lala's since she's the kinder daughter. She would definitely be angry if she found out Athena still played in the band even though she told her to stop.
Evelyn would probably not really want anything to do with Elliot since he's disowned, so there not be much of a relationship there. And she would like Draven more since he's Esmeralda's "better son" so to speak. She might get along with Esmeralda, but we can go into more detail if you'd like.
Yeah, she probably wouldn't interact with Alex much, but she probably would occasionally because of Draven.
Let me know what you guys think :)
ash wrote: "@anybody: I got my brainstorms if anyone wants to collab!"well, first, you'll have to talk to elizabeth about making a thorne, since she created the family. also, you might want to talk to the mods about the others. for instance, idk about your having a character who recognizes a runalithe character i know they said they wanted to keep runalithe connection with voxthain and asterath to a minimum
yeah. sorry I wasn’t sure how to bring that up, thanks Bella. I do need to be consulted on that because I like your idea ash but as it stands now it doesn’t work with the family. We can work something out, but you need to talk to me first and then claim a role and right now I have no roles open for the family that fits someone of this character. I could add one maybe, but only after we touch base. Thank you
✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: " yeah. sorry I wasn’t sure how to bring that up, thanks Bella. I do need to be consulted on that because I like your idea ash but as it stands now it doesn’t work with the family. We can work somet..."Oooops! I apologize, I didn’t see a claim thread (I’m blind ) so I just kinda went for it. Would you like to discuss dynamic to potentially adding him into the family? If not I can just come up with something new
✧Bella✧ wrote: "ash wrote: "@anybody: I got my brainstorms if anyone wants to collab!"well, first, you'll have to talk about elizabeth about making a thorne, since she created the family. also, you might want to..."
I can edit stuff out if needed
just wanted to let you know before you like created a whole character and everything. :) your ideas are all really good, i just don't know if they all work with the group plot and all
No that’s fine! I appreciate the feedback, I’m new and still learning things so @mods please feel free to tell me “no” lol
oh okay! So yeah let’s discuss it first! And then if it doesn’t work then you can do something new but as I said I do like the idea, so if we can work it out then I’ll be happy to tell the mods to add a spot to the Thorne family for you!
So first of all, I have one character made for that already, the daughter: Avaliyah, so maybe read through her form first. But my idea for the Thornes was that they run the hospitals, but that the father was a kind man who died when his daughter was eight, and was a commoner who worked in the hospitals and fell in love with the matriarch.
So in regards to your character smuggling medical tech to the slums, the Thornes already actually do give people of all walks of life stuff they need, since they were made aware of more problems in social status when the mother fell in love with the father.
In my mind the older brother was someone kinder, BUT, I could open up a cousin or uncle, or we could work something out with the brother. Honestly my only real thing with that is that he loves his sister haha. OH and the sister works as a doctor as well and is a very sweet person so she also cares for all people
Because I love your idea truly. I just want to make sure it works
@elizabeth
I love the Thorne family dynamic you've created! After reading about Avaliyah, I can see some interesting possibilities for Kieran. What if instead of direct family, he's a cousin from a branch of the Thornes that took a different path?
Maybe Kieran's father was the brother of Avaliyah's mother, but he had very different views on how the Thorne medical resources should be used. While Avaliyah and her immediate family genuinely want to help everyone, Kieran's branch of the family was more politically calculating with their charity? This created tension between the branches, and Kieran grew up seeing this hypocrisy.
He could have started out training in healing magic like the family tradition, but became disillusioned when he saw how the noble system still favored the wealthy despite his family's supposed good intentions. This led him to explore illusion magic instead, seeing it as a way to reveal truth rather than mend wounds.
So instead of smuggling medical supplies (since the Thornes already distribute them fairly), maybe Kieran uses his noble connections and illusion skills to expose corruption in other noble houses? or to help people who fall through the cracks of the system? He could
maintain his reputation as the “black sheep” cousin who still attends family functions but clearly marches to his own beat.
Would something like that work with your vision for the Thornes? I really want to keep Kieran's edge and underground connections while respecting the family dynamics!
Kyleigh wrote: "@Aelin
I think Evelyn would probably get along better with Lala than with Athena since she believes she lives up to the Delacroix name compared to Athena. As with Elara, yeah, they might not inter..."
yeah, I think that works! the only issue is lala was very, very different before and more like athena when she was younger, and is still like that at heart - everything she is now is just an act
evelyn would probably know of lala’s friendship with elara and elara’s sister lysa and probably disapprove? idk
@ash!
Thank you! I appreciate it. And yes! I think a cousin works perfectly! So a brother of her mother, correct? (I will say, in my head the family is not white so I know that would change your face claim but like. Yeah). I think the idea of a politically calculated move could be interesting! Because avaliyas father was a commoner so he opened her mother’s eyes to more people, and the way she could improve her work and such, and now Avaliyah absolutely is one to go into slums herself to help people, so that’s my worry about the smuggling, since they’d absolutely try and care for everyone.
I’m only uncertain about the favoring noble families situation. I will say! Some of their hospitals probably try and favor the wealthy, because obviously avaliyah and her mother can’t be At all locations in person all the time so they probably try and get around their rules, but as a whole they do try and favor everyone since her father was one of the commoners who opened his wife’s eyes more to the need of the people before he died.
But the revealing truth idea I think is actually very cool? So somehow fitting that in could work as well. Yes to exploring people who fall through cracks mayb, because yeah there would be doctors who don’t follow the rules, though that said I could see avaliyah and her mother going after those people as well so I don’t know. And I will say there are some others who are also working to try and expose the wrongdoings of other noble houses too, some other nobles.
Kind of? I think there’s something there we just gotta nail it down, since the Thornes and some other noble houses care about the people, but I love the idea of the family somehow having a black sheep!
Kyleigh wrote: "@AelinI think Evelyn would probably get along better with Lala than with Athena since she believes she lives up to the Delacroix name compared to Athena. As with Elara, yeah, they might not inter..."
yeah, sounds good. athena is also secretly dating one of the guys in her band, who's from asterath, so i guess we'll see how that goes lol. yeah, we can discuss esmeralda and evelyn's relationship more if you want. yeah, i don't think she and alex would prob interact all that much.
I also don’t know how much Alianna would interact. Or used to I guess. Probably more than with some people if your character, like, is kind of not a great person/very Delacroix lol
@elizabeth
I totally get what you're saying! I have no problems with adjusting the face claim! :)
I think we're on the same page about the Thornes genuinely trying to help everyone, with Avaliyah's father being that pivotal influence. What if we tweak Kieran's backstory a bit to fit better with this dynamic?
Maybe instead of politically calculated charity, Kieran's branch of the family believed in a more “traditional” approach to noble responsibility - like they thought the Thornes should focus more on maintaining their noble status and less on hands-on healing? His parents could have been upset when Avaliyah's mother married a commoner, seeing it as diluting the family bloodline or reputation.
Growing up in that environment, Kieran might have initially absorbed those classist views, but then had some experience that completely changed his perspective. Maybe he witnessed something that made him question everything - like seeing shadowfog victims being turned away from a hospital not run by the main Thorne family? That could be his turning point.
Instead of focusing on just gathering dirt, maybe Kieran uses his unique position and illusion skills in a different way. Since he comes from the more “traditional” branch of the family, he still has access to noble circles that might be suspicious of Avaliyah and her mother due to their commoner connections.
He could use this to become a sort of double agent - maintaining his reputation as the traditionalist Thorne while secretly using his illusion magic to manipulate these corrupt nobles into making decisions that actually benefit the common people. Like setting up elaborate scenarios where the only way out of a situation is for them to approve resources for areas they'd normally ignore.
This gives him a more active role than just information gathering, puts his illusion skills to unique use, and explains why he needs his underground gambling den - both as a cover and to gather intelligence on what the wealthy and powerful really want when they think no one's watching.
This would still make him a black sheep, but in a way that complements rather than duplicates what Avaliyah and her mother are doing in the medical world.
wait wait really? see I'd take that but again, I don't think mods are accepting new families and we have yet to actually make the leclaires, like, an established noble family...