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✧Bella✧ wrote: "are the delacroixs being overthrwon as THE big bad noble family?esmeralda is gonna send alianna after the entire family at this point. would she be down for that?"
don't know actually, I feel like a few of the families are hated, albeit different reasons
tbh, alianna wants the power though. she wants to destroy the haydens bc of her personal problems, take her own place as calico matriarch, and marry draven to kill him in his sleep and take over as matriarch of the delacroix family. though. actually. she may want the hayden militia at her command too so who knows
yeah, for sure. i thought they were kinda a united sort of lol front of... awful. but the seavys are starting to scare me lol
yeah, i know, which would make her want to take out the seavys if the seavys were threatening the delacroixs, or no? anyway, about that... if alianna were to take back her place as heir... would a marriage between her and draven make sense? yk, since they'd be the heads of their respective houses?
I think the calicos are a hot mess too tbh. Like they’re very wealthy but they’re a mess.
Um. Maybe. It all depends on what’s easiest for her. Like if she has a solid plan to marry Draven then yes she’d probably try and go after the seaveys if they threatened the Delacroix’s? It depends
Possibly. Bc Esmeralda already did that so that’s why I’m unsure
oh, they are def a mess lol
hmm... esmeralda already did what? sorry, just wanna be clear.
if it does happen, i honestly feel like it would contribute a lot to draven's arc... Alexa, play "Who's Afraid of Little Old Me" by Talyor Swift.
I’m considering making another sister oops who is illegitimate yay
OH marry into the Delacroix family
Hmmmm okay so I actually would be down! Only issue is Alianna is currently with runalithe, maybe when that falls through she somehow gets away? But again, they’d probably arrest her for her criminal habits of, you know, murder
Cal’s been onto her for years but now there would probably be proof so
oh, wow, it just grows messier and messier. btw, on the subject of my char who is his illegitimate child... i guess we never did decide on whether his mother was a noble or commoner lol. the thing with her being a noble is... would she (or her family) have to be created? idk for sure which works better, but i should figure it out, since i've sort of started workign on him
oh, yeah, true that. but, well, if the noble families have been around for a while, and the delacroixs only marry other nobles... what are the chances they aren't already connected to the other families as well? but, yeah, idk how marrying your cousins is seen in this world lol
yeah, that is true. murder is, um, something to get arrested for lmao
it does XD oh good point. See speaking of making the other family if you did choose noble, I should make the wife lol. But anyway, I mean, maybe? I don’t know. Because I already don’t have what family the wife is from so maybe I should make that too…ugh. No idea at this point.
That’s very true. Eew the thought theyre just marrying cousins left and right is so messed up lmao but hey, mobility did that back in the day
It is indeed. Unless Alianna literally gets what she wants from runalithe and leaves them and pops up on calicos doorstep all “I have returned and I’ve been in Asterath the past few years” and almost everyone believes her
oh wait, i've got a SCANDAl. what if alex's mother was from the same family as eadric's wife?
yeah, pretty gross, but when i stopped to think about it, i was like, wait. smh. the delacroixs would tho. they need to watch out, there are consequences.
yeah... oh wow, i wonder if anyone WOULD believe that lol.
OMG YES like the wife’s younger sister or something like that?? That’d be so bad?? And then the younger sister I wanna make is like 14/15 so maybe she’ll be some other noblewoman who like, isn’t married yet or something and had a thing with Eadric idk
Right? And yeah that’s probably true one day
Honestly Eadric very well may. Or just not care tbh
Eadric is a piece of shit sometimes I apologize
YES. It's so HORRIBLE. So, they really wanted to hush THAT up, more than even most affairs. So Alex's mom is stepmother's younger sister, who maybe wasn't married at the time? Now, for the million dollar question: does Alex know?
Yeah. one day, for sure. they need to cut it out lol.
Yeah, sounds about right.
yup. Wait what stepmother?? OH the wife yes yes. And that works! Eadric was probably drunk and I think his wife is more of an ass than him and she’s very queerphobic and so Eadric just…wanted to have an affair with someone else who knows. Oh yikes. Your call I think?
Lol they do
Yup
oh my word, I really need to think about this. So, on the one hand, they would def be very hush, hush about the whole thing. I would think? Idk, it's kinda sorta eadric's call..? In a way, at least. although if he doesn't tell him, i suppose he could still find out.
okay! Probably yeah, and Eadric knows but he also doesn’t want to wreck things more than he and Alianna already have so he doesn’t tell the public (if the seaveys found out tho yikes). And yeah maybe…okay so maybe he doesn’t tell Alex yet? Or if you want him to have that’s okay too. But also the wife probably hates this kid idk.
I am so lost trying to read this lmao
welp, ain’t got anything to do with me thank god
✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: " okay! Probably yeah, and Eadric knows but he also doesn’t want to wreck things more than he and Alianna already have so he doesn’t tell the public (if the seaveys found out tho yikes). And yeah ma..."i really don't know, i want it to make the most sense, yk? and at this point, idek how knowing would affect him, because if he thinks that eadric's wife is his actual mom... ouch.
✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: " tbh I see it the other way around, seaveys could print something that destroys the delacroixs...or anyone, which is terrifying come to think of it bc if they have dirt on people they can just prin..."<3
✧Bella✧ wrote: "so... they're not allies? even if there is a marriage alliance?"I mean, I guess they get some prot points cause they don't wanna harm their daughter, but the dad doesn't give a fuck about the daughter. the mom and brothers do. so it's kinda a the dad don't care but the others will convince. so maybe the marriage will save them a bit since there is that?
seaveys have so much power omg
seaveys have too much power, i'm scared.
✧Bella✧ wrote: "✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: " okay! Probably yeah, and Eadric knows but he also doesn’t want to wreck things more than he and Alianna already have so he doesn’t tell the public (if the seaveys found out..." big ouch yeah
Ok we gotta figure that out haha
And probably make the wife’s family idk
✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: "✧Bella✧ wrote: "✧.*elizabeth✧.* wrote: " okay! Probably yeah, and Eadric knows but he also doesn’t want to wreck things more than he and Alianna already have so he doesn’t tell the public (if the s..."yeah, that would HURT.
yeah, prob should lol. got any names in mind?
✧Bella✧ wrote: "seaveys have too much power, i'm scared."— aelin [one look give ‘em whiplash] ✧ hiatus wrote: "seaveys have so much power omg"
they literally only have a fucking newspaper basically XD but ig that's kinda how life works. they're intentions are good, just publicize everything to the public and protect their own family. so anything that threatens the Seavey bloodline is a threat to Voxthain in the papers. that's basically how that works. People like the I forget the name but the ones with medical and hospitals will probably get a lot of good stuff since they aren't a threat and just try to help. the traditions part of their bloodline is an entirely different thing that they basically just feel obligated to follow since they've existed for like forever.
I forget if I had the wife’s last name in one of the profiles
Alpha : ♡ New Year New Me ♡ wrote: "✧Bella✧ wrote: "seaveys have too much power, i'm scared."— aelin [one look give ‘em whiplash] ✧ hiatus wrote: "seaveys have so much power omg"
they literally only have a fucking newspaper basica..."
Bella some ideas for last names maybe:
Abbot
Rosewood
Leclaire
oh nice, the only one I had thought of was ravenwood. I really like all of those. especially rosewood and leclaire.
okay so options then will be ravenwood, rosewood, and leclaire. I think looking at these I like leclaire bc it sounds fancy and cool but i am good with the other two as wel!
I'm good with leclaire. :) btw, I was thinking maybe it would actually make sense for the wife to be the younger sister ( they're prob close in age tho).
okay! and wait why? because wouldnt the eldest of the families marry one another? so i think elara is older
I feel like the eldest would be the heir, the younger would marry the heir of another house. at least that's what makes sense to me. *shrugs* but she can be older if you want her to be.
hmm. okay so maybe this family is not as prestigious as the calicos, so they married up in a sense, to start with? and then the heir--OKAY WAITIDEA
eldest loved eadric, he loved her, but bc she is the heir they decided to try and keep her as heir, so married elara, the younger one, off to eadric, and elara also loved him but he was never quite in love with her?
so occasionally he and the eldest sister had an affair--cough cough alexander?
((all this of course after eadric and katarina refused to wed each other. they were both heirs, but its fine, both houses were strong anyway so they'd still be in charge but that fell through so leclaires second choice?))
I have the younger Calico brother, so if you have a Calico family member and would like to discuss their realtionship, let me know :)((I haven't started him, so I don't have any ideas for him yet, but I can probably get a better idea for how I want to make him once we discuss the relationships.))
i haven't done too much work on my calico brother yet either. working on that lol I also have his aunt and two cousins who are all in the Delacroix family (the aunt is Esmeralda and the cousins are Elliot and Draven)
okay so basic calico information for you kyleigh!
the family has wealth from trade and control of precious gems and jewels and such, so they're a wealthier noble family, and also a bit of a mess.
they are typically traditionally-minded, so they can be quite classist, and they're very much people who want to hold onto their control and the power they wield.
The patriarch, your character's father, is named Eadric, and he's in my thread. He is someone who does love his kids, but due to always wanting daughters and some trauma from losing his sister, he loves his daughters more than his sons, he plays favorites. he wants to keep them safe in a way he never really considers as much for the boys, and he would let the daughters get away with murder unless evidence was glaring right in his face (and one of them has).
Eadric is also...classist, he has a drinking problem, and he has a bit of a temper. he would never, ever harm his kids, but he does get scary sometimes, depending on the situation, he just wants his staff to litsen to him, he's in charge, etc. but. he also has a problem with sleeping around. he is married to elara (unmade npc/open right now), from house leclare, the second child, and while he loves him, he...doesn't love her. he respects her, to some extent, but he never fell in love with her.
He is in love with elara's older sister. the leclaire heir, with whom he has occasional affirs. their families didn't have them wed though because the leclaires wanted her to remain at home and run the estate and such. so he married elara instead. but elara is also kinda, like, a butt sometimes, and so eadric sleeps around at times too, esp when drunk.
the calicos were also once close allies of the hayden family, and his best friend was the matriarch, but because the calicos are classist, they have had a kind of falling out. she was asked to marry eadric, and both refused, because they cared about each other, but not romantically.
the delacroixs are also related--another one of eadric's sisters, esmeralda, married into that family.
now, the eldest daughter of the calicos, Alianna, is in my thread, and shes awful. but like, she hid it best she could from everyone, and she was the father's favorite. but because she ran away, that leaves isley (second daughter, snail's character) in line as heir now because eadric bypassed alexander to give his title to her when she's ready.
alexander, bella's character, isn't done yet, but he will be the son of eadric and the older leclaire daughter that he loved. and I may be making a fourteen-fifteen year old daughter who is also the kid of someone other than the wife for more drama
XD i am so sorry thats so much information
No, that fine! Thank you for the information! So basically Eadric's relationships with his sons are strained because of his favortism towards his daughters? And how old would my character be? I just want to make sure before I start working on him XD.
you're welcome! and both alianna and eadric are in my thread, and then esmeralda is in bella's thread. she's also not done with her brother yet but he's started in her thread. snail's character, the daughter isley, is in the voxthain creation topic! for more detailed information haha
and yeah pretty much? like, he does love his sons, truly, but he also favors the daughters, gives them more light of day, goes out of his way to spend time with them, that sort of thing.
Alright, thank you! I'll definitely look at their profiles and try to get him done as soon as possible :)
wow, seeing it all laid out.. it's such a mess, and I love it. also, @kyleigh
you can find the Delacroix brothers, Elliot and Draven, who would be your character's cousins, on my thread as well Elliot has been disowned tho, so, prob not much of a relationship there. however, i guess it all depends)
that took me more time than i thought it would to type that mess out xd but same
@BellaSounds good! I'll look at their profiles too :)
and I'm thinking the youngest daughter I'm making has a different mother than even alexander? probably eadric and another noble or something who was unmarried so the scandal would have been bad lol, or a servant, and he's very cagey around her (and alexander), because like, he prefers his kids between him and his wife as if the affairs were not his fault to begin with🙃🙃🙃
but alexander also probably has a special place in his heart bc he was actually in love with his mother
sounds good.so... does Alex think that eadric's wife is his mom? I know she hasn't been made, but how do you think she would deal with that?
so... they're not allies? even if there is a marriage alliance?