Any minorities on here that are sick and tired of getting hated on for who they are?

[ella]

@Douaaa okay :)

[Douaaa🇵🇸✨]

And we didn’t do anything wrong, i was only talking about what’s happening to my people and i dont see how there’s anything wrong with that, what i tried not to do was start a fight because i dont see this group as the place for it, and Tavia also talked to her very gently, and please forgive Heer if she found out someone stood with genocide and didn’t see why she would not give her opinion on something that is humanitarian, because i bet if someone was here telling you murder is wrong you wouldn’t have talked the same way, well guess what? Palestine is going through a GENOCIDE, yep, that surpasses even typical murder! And imagine seeing people go through that every single day for 11 months! It’s maddening!!! And no this isn’t a two sided war! and palestinians did nothing wrong! If you’re accusing Hamas of killing israeli citizens well i suggest you look into it because that is a huge accusation! Because israel itself admitted that hamas had nothing to do with the citizens who had died! Also admitted that it was their fault that they had been killed! So again stating facts!

[Douaaa🇵🇸✨]

And honestly even i was here saying you should all be supporting palestine i dont see what’s wrong with that🤷‍♀️ just because i refrain from doing so doesn’t mean it’s wrong! Anyway to each his opinion

[Jennifer]

@Noa I agree with you 100%

Everyone has a right to their opinion and a right to free speech. However, Goodreads is not a platform to spout your political or religious views and/or start ranting about politically charged topics. This is a place to review and discuss books so if you're looking to start drama with people that's not book-related, this isn't the right place for that.

[Douaaa🇵🇸✨]

@ella my dear she didn’t call you ignorants!! She said ignorant to the genocide! Meaning she just said she hopes you guys learn what’s happening! No one insulted you, and now that you have an idea about the genocide and said yourself you are against it, we are all on the same side! No one is coming at you! She just clarified that it isn’t a war and she is right, it isn’t, it’s a genocide, the difference is that a war requires two sides fighting with their armies, which isn’t the case for palestine and other countries, while genocide is one sided! Israel have its army which is iof, while palestine doesn’t have any army! And no hamas is not palestine’s army! Hamas was founded in 1987, and the israeli occupation started in 1948! Hamas was founded independently from the palestinian government as a resistance movement, and is currently the only thing preventing israel from wiping palestinians off the face of the earth! But still it isn’t an army and is only a resistance movement, they are very few numbered while the iof is heavily numbered! Hope that helped clear some confusions! But i really hope you guys look into the genocide! Because palestinians amongst many others are getting ethnically cleansed and they are begging people to listen to them, to not forget about them! They want their voices heard because they have been silenced for decades! And I hope you at least do that for them🤍 anyway have a good day and free palestine🇵🇸❤️

[yanah ☆]

Free palestine!!!<3<3

[lilly ♡ (semi-hiatus)]

relate to this sm

[butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta)]

I am so sorry but nothing justifies telling someone that the hate they are recieving is GOOD and that they DESERVE IT

[Cameron(billie’s version)]

I’m gay and I got hated on by my own friends and family. It’s not a fun time. At all. They say they love me then I was forced to be outed(I thought I was non binary at the time so that was a whole other story I don’t feel like going into) and then my dad was all like ‘go to hell!’

I just love who I love and am who I am and there’s nothing I can do about it 🤷‍♀️

[butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta)]

MidnightButterfly~ heavens grief brings hells rain wrote: "I am so sorry but nothing justifies telling someone that the hate they are recieving is GOOD and that they DESERVE IT"

Like you can stand by Israel and the kidnapping of hostages and horrid actions of Hamas

It isn't wrong to do that

Everyone has their views. Hating on people for those views and discriminating based on that, and not ooening up the conversation and seeing the other side is what LEADS to conflict.

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

Exactly hating on someone so much based on their views (well at least not if their view is massacring babies being okay) is not okay! So please tell that to the one you’re trying to defend right now because she did just that before this chat happened (check the chat before this one lol) (also there is some misinformation in your comment so i suggest researching it :) )
And please everyone stop talking about something you know nothing about, calling the genocide going on in palestine something political shows you know nothing about what’s going on and about what the word genocide means! So please if you aren’t educated enough on this topic don’t comment! Thank you!

[butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta)]

Nobody is denying that there are horrible things going on in Palestine. The horrors going on there are completely unacceptable, but what im saying is. Israel has a side too, that people who say they support israel, 99% of the time, arent saying that they agree that people should die!
Most of them are saying that the hostages should be freed. Both sides have suffered, Jews and Muslims have suffered, this conflict seems to be eternal, it's horrible, and it seems to not be able to end. People on both sides are so, so, so, unable to see the other side and its horrible, because that is what leads to the endless cycle of conflict, when communication breaks down!

[butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta)]

I'm not defending anyone hating on anyone, hate is not to be defended in any way

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

@midnightbutterfly I respect your view and i agree with you! I am against israeli civilians being killed, even if they are rooting for the genocide! (Do i wish them horrible lives? Yes! Do i wish them to be killed by hamas or any other palestinian as a sort of revenge? No! And Palestinian muslims wouldn’t do it because it isn’t permissible in our religion) It’s the iof that they can kill not the civilians! And in case you think palestinians are have killed civilians, they didn’t! (I am not saying you think that, i just said it in case you do, and because there are people who still believe that). Hamas only killed iof soldiers! And as i said before, israel itself has admitted that hamas had nothing to do with the civilians that were killed! And about you saying 99% of the ones supporting israel are against the genocide, you are mistaken, because maybe you haven’t seen the many videos of them celebrating the killing if palestinians! They literally celebrate each bomb that drops on gaza! And maybe you haven’t seen videos of them calling for the death of every palestinian, or the telegram groups where they do the same! I am not saying they’re all calling for that! But so many of them do! And my dear this isn’t a jewish muslim thing! There are so many palestinians who are christians! And israel bombed churches and mosques alike, also many jews stand against israel, and there are many people who stand with israel and aren’t jew!

[butterfly is back (barely, mostly on insta)]

Of course, there are horrible people on the internet who say horrible things, im just on the side of i wish we could find a solution but this conflict has been ongoing for a literal millenia in the region, and it does seem pretty hopeless, and really really sad

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

Yeah it’s horrible 💔

[Benji]

ella wrote: "I never said I was staying neutral whatever that means I just shouldn't have ever said anything on this chat because it just creates a mess."

I completely understand that this conversation brings out strong emotions from everyone involved, and it’s not easy to stay silent when something hits so close to home. But remember, speaking up and sharing your thoughts doesn’t mean you’ve created a mess. You’re simply expressing your perspective, and that’s part of human connection—sharing and learning from each other, even when it’s difficult."

"It’s okay to feel overwhelmed, but let’s remind ourselves that empathy and respect are key here. Attacking someone personally or shutting down their voice won’t bring us closer to peace or understanding. We can be passionate and stand by our beliefs without tearing others down."

"Instead of letting this chat turn into hostility, why not use it as an opportunity to listen and try to understand each other? This conflict is painful for so many, on both sides. We can acknowledge that and still maintain respect for individuals who are caught in circumstances beyond their control. Conversations like this should build bridges, not burn them."

"We may not agree on everything, but we can agree that every person—regardless of their background or nationality—deserves to be treated with dignity. Let’s elevate the conversation beyond finger-pointing, and focus on what truly matters: finding ways to stand up for peace and understanding, even in the most challenging moments."

[ella]

oh I didn't feel like anyone was coming at me at all it's all good my dudes :)

[ella]

I'm just really bad at explaining things especially thru words

[Heer ☽ (inactive era due to uni)]

Having read the whole thread, let me point out a few things!

1. If you're not educated on the topic, don't comment about it.
2. If you are adequately educated on the topic and are a zio or choose to take a neutral stance, in my books that isn't right and is an indirect show of support to zionism. Obviously I'm going to judge you for it.
3. Someone said to think about who started it. Israel did in 1948. Google it. Research it. Get on the activism side of social media. There are many options.
4. I know this is a book website. I use it regularly. But don't be a hypocrite. We all know books isn't the only topic being discussed in all discussion posts of this grp. You only have a problem when the topic is conflictual and makes you think about things you wouldn't think of on the regular.
5. People are dying everyday. Women and children are dying everyday. I don't care that this is a book website. I am going to speak up about Palestine on every platform I use until an official active ceasefire has been called and the oppressed are safe and not being displaced or bombed regularly from their own homes.

[ella]

@benji I agree. you mentioned some good strong points.

[Benji]

Molly wrote: "Look at that. Somehow on here I’m getting hate for my belief. I stand with Israel but I won’t fight anyone.
I’m giving up"

"It’s painful to see that simply standing with Israel, like so many others has brought you to be singled out with so much hate, but giving up doesn’t mean you’ve lost. It means you refuse to fight fire with fire. It means you’re standing for something deeper—humanity, peace, and the possibility that love can rise above even the most painful conflicts."

"I know those who stand with Palestine feel their own pain and have their own reasons. This conflict runs deep, with history that has left scars on both sides. But here’s the truth: no matter which side we stand on, we all share the same core—our desire for peace, our yearning to see the suffering end. Israeli or Palestinian, we are all human beings, bound by the same emotions, the same longing for a world where we no longer have to pick sides but can stand together."

"What if, for a moment, we put aside our divisions and truly saw each other—not as enemies, but as people trying to survive in a world that has broken us time and time again? What if, instead of hate, we offered understanding? What if we realized that neither side can win if we continue to tear each other apart?"

"This isn’t about winning or losing a debate. It’s about remembering that every life lost—whether Israeli or Palestinian—leaves behind a family, a friend, someone who mourns deeply. It’s about holding space for that grief, for that humanity. I stand with Israel, but that doesn’t mean I wish for anyone else’s suffering. It means I hope for peace, for safety, for a future where none of us have to bear this pain any longer."

"We don’t have to agree on everything, but we can agree on one thing: every tear, every life matters. Let’s not add to the hate, but instead be the ones who choose empathy, even when it feels like the world is pulling us apart."

[Clarissa]

Heer ♡ wrote: "Having read the whole thread, let me point out a few things!

1. If you're not educated on the topic, don't comment about it.
2. If you are adequately educated on the topic and are a zio or choose..."


You're basically saying that whoever disagrees with you is wrong. There are sides here and I think its fair that people can take the side you don't agree with, especially considering Palestine's stance on gays and how women are treated (the statistics for violence against women are appalling). People are allowed to be nuanced or middle of the road. It's not just one or the other.

[Clarissa]

Noa wrote: "but this app is for reading books, not political discussion, and if that's what you want to talk about, please do it somewhere else"


I agree. I don't want to talk politics here. I have enough of that in my regular life, I don't want to get into tough political debates, especially for a group that is dominated by teens. Politics are, at the end of the day, opinions, not facts so no side will ever be able to agree because no side can be objectively right. It just creates strife and division.

[ella]

I agree ^ @clarissa pham

[Benji]

Clarissa wrote: "Heer ♡ wrote: "Having read the whole thread, let me point out a few things!

1. If you're not educated on the topic, don't comment about it.
2. If you are adequately educated on the topic and are ..."

"It’s difficult to express the weight of these conversations, knowing how deeply they can hurt people on both sides. But what I see here is a reminder that while we may be divided by borders, beliefs, and history, there’s something much deeper that unites us all: our humanity."

"To say that someone’s voice is invalid because they disagree with you erases the nuance and complexity of this conflict. It’s not just black and white—there are lives behind every opinion, families behind every tear shed. We cannot forget that there is pain on both sides, and silencing someone for standing with Israel or Palestine doesn’t change the suffering endured by either."

"When we look at the heart of the matter, it’s not about ‘winning’ an argument or proving someone wrong. It’s about the very real people—mothers, fathers, children—who wake up every day in fear, who lose their loved ones, who long for a life of peace and dignity. Regardless of where you stand, these are the truths we all must hold close to our hearts."

"Palestine’s stance on women and LGBTQ+ rights, as well as the violence so many face, cannot be overlooked. We can’t ignore these realities, but we can approach them with compassion rather than condemnation. People should be allowed to see the full picture, with all its heartbreak and complexity, and choose their stance based on empathy, understanding, & historical facts."

"None of us hold all the answers, and none of us are without bias. But if we can open our hearts to listen, to respect the pain others have endured—even if we don’t always agree—we might start to bridge the very divides that keep us apart. Because in the end, it’s not about sides. It’s about people. And people, no matter where they’re from, deserve to be heard, to be safe, and to live without fear."

"It’s a difficult truth for some to confront, but there’s a contradiction that many don’t realize when supporting causes that, under their current leadership, may not fully align with their own values or safety. For those in the LGBTQ+ community who support Palestine, it’s important to acknowledge the stance that some governing powers in the region hold regarding LGBTQ+ rights."

"In many parts of the world, including some in Palestine, these communities are marginalized, persecuted, or even face violence simply for existing."

"This isn’t to invalidate their support or to say their compassion for Palestinians is misplaced, but it’s important to approach these issues with open eyes. It’s entirely possible to stand in solidarity with those who are suffering while also recognizing that not all beliefs within that society may align with your own."

"We can hold space for the humanity of both sides while also understanding the complexity of these perspectives. Sometimes, the very systems we wish to support would reject us for who we are, and that’s a painful truth we must wrestle with. It’s not about shaming anyone, but rather encouraging deeper reflection on how we navigate these issues with awareness, empathy, and self-respect."

"In their situation it would mean persecution, assault that may lead to death, like female reporters who never return from the Middle East the same."

Lara Logan (2011): One of the most high-profile cases was CBS reporter Lara Logan, who was sexually assaulted by a mob in Cairo’s Tahrir Square during the Egyptian revolution. Logan later spoke publicly about the assault, shedding light on the dangers female reporters face.

[Benji]

Saving someone else the time of adding "________."

"In search of opening the mind of others, beyond the media, into the perspectives of both sides onto the middle ground. Usually where the truth can be found"

If you were wondering?

"Truth is often found in the middle ground, where empathy bridges the divide and understanding grows beyond the borders of our beliefs." - Aisling

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@clarissa you know that the gay argument can’t even be used right??? Well because first a gay palestinian wouldn’t even get to live because of the genocide for them to even have gay rights!! And second girl have you seen israel??? Again so much lack of education!! Israel is the most racist place on the face of earth!!! And probably the most homophobic too! Have you seen what they do to gays in israel?? Also do you see how they also treat anyone in israel who isn’t a jew, or isn’t white, or is against the genocide?? Again please educate yourself before commenting here!

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

@Heer well said esp the fifth one🫡 like i swear people don’t want to educate themselves because they simply dont care or are afraid of seeing the sights that palestinians kids see everyday and then play all knowing and call it a “political issue” when it’s a humanitarian one or say other things that just show how little they know! Like please i get that maybe you don’t want to see scattered limbs but please shut up and don’t pretend you know anything!! Anyone here saying this isn’t the place to talk about it forgets that there are people who get killed everyday or r@ped!! Like please you just show how heartless you are! I have been talking gently before but this is the truth and please shut up if you are uneducated! I don’t care if someone says here they support israel! They should just be well educated and i would rather talk to them than any of you who don’t know anything!

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

You see @benji? He/she just said they support israel! And guess what? I respect them more than any of you saying oh this is a political issue not the place here for it!

[Benji]

Douaaa✨ wrote: "@clarissa you know that the gay argument can’t even be used right??? Well because first a gay palestinian wouldn’t even get to live because of the genocide for them to even have gay rights!! And se..."

Noa wrote: "but this app is for reading books, not political discussion, and if that's what you want to talk about, please do it somewhere else"


Clarissa wrote: "I agree. I don't want to talk politics here. I have enough of that in my regular life, I don't want to get into tough political debates, especially for a group that is dominated by teens. Politics are, at the end of the day, opinions, not facts so no side will ever be able to agree because no side can be objectively right. It just creates strife and division."
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"It’s clear that this issue brings up deeply felt emotions, and I understand why. But let’s take a moment to look at this from a broader, more nuanced perspective. When we debate, it’s important to move beyond the surface and really think critically about what’s being said. Let’s address some points with respect and logic while still holding space for the human lives affected by this conflict."

1. LGBTQ+ Rights
"You bring up the treatment of LGBTQ+ people in Palestine and Israel, and that’s a valid concern. In many Middle Eastern countries, including Palestine, being openly gay can result in severe persecution, even death. This is a deeply troubling reality for those within the LGBTQ+ community. While Israel is not perfect in this regard—and no country is—it is one of the few places in the Middle East where LGBTQ+ people do have legal rights and protections. Tel Aviv, for example, is known for being an LGBTQ+ friendly city, hosting one of the largest Pride events in the region. We need to acknowledge these complexities rather than painting any one side with a broad brush."

2. Racism and Homophobia
"Regarding the claim that Israel is the most racist and homophobic place on earth, I think it’s essential to approach this with caution. Every society has its issues, including discrimination and prejudice. Israel, like many countries, struggles with racism and homophobia, but it also has active movements fighting for equality and rights for marginalized groups, including Arabs, African refugees, and LGBTQ+ people. No country is without fault, but it's important to recognize that these internal struggles for justice exist."

3. Genocide and the Treatment of Non-Jews
"It’s understandable that people feel deeply about the treatment of Palestinians, and the violence on both sides is tragic. However, labeling an entire group or country as purely genocidal, racist, or homophobic removes the complexity of the situation. There are people in Israel who advocate for peace, coexistence, and justice for all, including Palestinians. There are Jewish, Arab, and international activists who dedicate their lives to bridging divides and working toward a peaceful resolution. This isn’t about supporting one side while vilifying the other—it’s about understanding that both sides are suffering, and solutions must come from acknowledging humanity on all sides."

4. Education and Understanding
"It’s always a good idea to educate ourselves and continue learning about these issues, but that goes for everyone, on all sides. Education is the key to understanding, and real education isn’t about only seeing one narrative—it’s about listening to multiple perspectives, including those we don’t agree with, to build a more complete picture. Rather than accusing someone of lacking education, we can invite more open and respectful conversations that foster growth and understanding. This conflict is deeply complex, and no one has all the answers."

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

@benji israel has literally been funded on extreme racism💀 the israeli government is literally saying racist stuff all the time💀 I’ve seen many videos of people being attacked (even tourists) for not being jew or for being black! Zionists were the ones who invented the idea that islam is a terrorist religion, they literally used to call palestinians animals and savages! And i didn’t say israel is the most racist place on earth without having any proof, there is soo much, and about the racism we have literally seen it from the israeli police! Israel was literally funded by massacring 15000 people in the nakba and didn’t care one bit because they were palestinians, (fun fact: there were even jews amongst those israel killed and kicked from their lands), israeli settlers live in stolen palestinian houses! Again israel doesn’t care one bit about the ones it made homeless because they are palestinians. And these are just some few things that show how racist israel is

[Heer ☽ (inactive era due to uni)]

Douaaa✨ wrote: "@Heer well said esp the fifth one🫡 like i swear people don’t want to educate themselves because they simply dont care or are afraid of seeing the sights that palestinians kids see everyday and then..."

I know you got me babe and I got you 💖

[Benji]

I understand that emotions run high on this issue, and it’s important to acknowledge the pain on all sides. But in debates like these, we have to be careful about painting an entire nation or people with a broad brush. Yes, Israel has its issues—just like any other country—but to label it purely as a nation built on racism is an oversimplification of a very complex situation.

1. Acknowledging the Pain Without Erasing History
The Nakba is a deeply painful chapter for Palestinians, and the suffering experienced during that time cannot be ignored. But it's also important to recognize that Israel’s creation was a response to centuries of persecution against Jews, culminating in the Holocaust, where six million Jews were murdered. The founding of Israel was seen as a necessary refuge for a people who had been historically oppressed. Acknowledging both these painful histories is essential to understanding why the conflict is so deeply rooted and emotional.

2. Racism Exists Everywhere—But It Doesn’t Define an Entire Nation
Racism is a problem in many countries, including Israel, and the presence of racist individuals or actions by certain groups doesn’t mean the entire state is inherently racist. There are indeed issues with racism in Israel—just as there are in the United States, Europe, and many other places. But it’s also important to recognize the efforts within Israel to combat this. There are Jewish and Arab organizations fighting for equality, human rights, and better treatment of minorities, and those voices deserve to be heard as well.

3. Zionism and Islam
To claim that Zionism created the notion that Islam is a terrorist religion is historically inaccurate. Extremist ideologies and terrorism exist in various forms, across many religions, including within Christianity and Judaism. It’s crucial not to conflate the actions of a few with the beliefs of an entire religion. Zionism, at its core, is the belief in the right of Jews to self-determination in their historic homeland. That doesn’t mean every Zionist supports racism or oppression. Many Zionists advocate for peace, coexistence, and a two-state solution where both Jews and Palestinians can live safely.

4. Israeli-Palestinian Conflict—A Complex Struggle for Both Sides
Yes, there are issues with settlements and the displacement of Palestinian families, and this is a significant part of the ongoing conflict. However, to claim that Israel doesn’t care about Palestinians oversimplifies the reality. Many Israelis and Jews worldwide advocate for peace, human rights, and justice for Palestinians. The Israeli government has its policies, but there are also many Israelis who oppose the settlements and fight for Palestinian rights. It’s important not to confuse the actions of a government with the views of an entire population.

5. Seeking a Balanced View
Both Israelis and Palestinians have suffered greatly in this conflict, and labeling one side as purely evil or racist ignores the complex human realities of both peoples. Israeli families live in fear of rocket attacks, just as Palestinian families suffer under occupation and displacement. Both sides have experienced loss and trauma, and the path to peace lies not in vilifying one another but in seeking understanding and solutions that acknowledge the humanity on both sides.

6. The Path Forward—Compassion Over Condemnation
The real way forward in this conflict is through dialogue, compassion, and recognizing the shared humanity of Israelis and Palestinians. There are people on both sides working for peace, and we should amplify those voices. Blaming one side entirely only deepens the divide and makes peace harder to achieve. If we can look beyond the surface, beyond the anger, and truly see each other as human beings, perhaps there’s hope for a future where both peoples can live with dignity and peace.

[Benji]

The worlds common ground of the conflict of Israel & Palestine:

The Nakba (Arabic for "catastrophe") refers to the events surrounding the 1948 Palestinian exodus, when over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were displaced from their homes during the Arab-Israeli war. This period marks one of the most significant and painful chapters in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Here’s a brief overview:

The Nakba occurred in the context of the end of the British mandate over Palestine and the subsequent creation of the State of Israel in May 1948.
Prior to Israel's declaration of independence, tensions between Jewish and Arab populations had been escalating, with violent clashes and attacks on both sides.

The 1948 Arab-Israeli War
Following the United Nations' 1947 Partition Plan, which proposed dividing Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, many Arab leaders rejected the plan, viewing it as unfair to the Arab population.
When Israel declared its independence in 1948, neighboring Arab countries (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) launched an invasion to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

During the war, numerous Palestinian villages were destroyed, and many Palestinians were forced to flee due to fighting, fear, or expulsion by Israeli forces.

Approximately 700,000 to 750,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes. Many fled to neighboring countries like Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, while others moved to the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Refugees: To this day, millions of descendants of these refugees live in refugee camps across the Middle East, and their right to return to their homes has been a key point of contention in peace negotiations.

Around 400 to 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed or depopulated during the war, and many of these areas were incorporated into the new state of Israel.

Long-lasting Impact: The Nakba is a defining event in Palestinian national identity, representing not only the loss of land but also a deep sense of injustice, displacement, and trauma.

For many Palestinians, the Nakba is seen as an ongoing event, as they continue to live under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, or in refugee camps outside of Israel/Palestine.
The right of return for Palestinian refugees remains a central issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with many Palestinians advocating for the right to return to the homes they or their ancestors were forced to leave.

For many Israelis, the events of 1948 are viewed as part of the founding of the Jewish state, a refuge for Jews following centuries of persecution, particularly in the aftermath of the Holocaust.
Some argue that the Arab nations and Palestinian leadership at the time bore responsibility for the exodus, given their rejection of the partition plan and the subsequent war.


Palestinians commemorate the Nakba every year on May 15, the day after Israel's independence day, as a day of mourning and remembrance for the loss of homes, land, and lives.

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Wait wait benji!!!! You’re justifying the NAKBA???? By the holocost??? Seriously????? Jews had been killed by the christians!!! Not by muslims!! It’s literally telling me if someone killed my mother i should go kill a random stranger who lives in another continent as revenge!!

[tavia]

just letting yall know that israel is as homophobic as any other muslim country. yall are just naive and believed their lgbtq+ campain thing when it was just a way to gain yall sympathy by pink washing what’s going on there.

being lgbtq+ in jew is awful, you all can go on the internet and watch full video of queer people getting harassed and abused by israeli locals.

also, have yall seen how they treat their own women?? i don’t think so, because if yall did your argument would be very different.

yall hate muslims so bad that y’all rather support a genocidal state because they had a fake gay parade, than a whole ethnic group that is being ethnically cleansed.

[Douaaa&#x1f1f5;&#x1f1f8;✨]

Please beware of what you’re saying!!! And that’s not even the worst part!! Jews had been killed and thrown out of every country, and palestinians were kind enough to welcome them into their houses and offer them protection and homes!! And they literally all lived so peacefully (christians were also living there) everyone was living peacefully until the nakba! And not only that they did such a horrible job at thanking the palestian muslims! They had done such a horrible job at thanking all the muslims who are the reason jews are walking this earth right now!! Jews had been hunted down by christians and killed for centuries! And the only reason some jews survived was because they had seeked out muslims and asked them for protection from christian, and muslims accepted and those under their protection were the ones who survived!! So basically were it not for muslims, judaism wouldn’t have been a thing right now because all jews would have been wiped off the map! So waaay to be thankful!! Also tell that holocaust arguments to the actual holocaust survivors who stand against israel :)

[Benji]

Douaaa✨ wrote: "Wait wait benji!!!! You’re justifying the NAKBA???? By the holocost??? Seriously????? Jews had been killed by the christians!!! Not by muslims!! It’s literally telling me if someone killed my mothe..."

I can hear how much this hurts, and I want to clarify that I'm not justifying the Nakba or any loss of innocent lives. The Nakba was a tragedy, and it’s crucial to recognize the pain and suffering of Palestinians during that time. No one should ever have to endure being displaced from their homes or losing loved ones. But it’s important to understand that the founding of Israel, in the context of the Holocaust, was not about revenge—it was about survival for a people who had endured centuries of persecution.

1. The Holocaust and Historical Persecution
Jews, for centuries, faced persecution in many places across the globe—by Christians, in Europe, and elsewhere. The Holocaust was the culmination of that persecution, but it wasn’t the only chapter. Jews, particularly after the Holocaust, needed a homeland where they could live safely without the fear of being targeted for their identity. The creation of Israel wasn’t about taking revenge on anyone; it was about ensuring that Jewish people had a place to live where they wouldn’t face extermination.

2. Muslims and Jews Lived Peacefully Together for Centuries
It’s true that, historically, Muslims and Jews lived peacefully together for centuries in places like the Middle East and North Africa. The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians wasn’t driven by religious hatred, but by a complex set of political, historical, and territorial issues. It’s important not to frame this conflict as Jews vs. Muslims, but rather as two peoples—both with legitimate ties to the land—caught in a tragic cycle of violence and displacement.

3. The Nakba Was a Human Tragedy
The Nakba was undeniably painful, and Palestinians suffered deeply. No one is denying that. But it’s also essential to acknowledge that, at the time, Jews saw the creation of Israel as their only hope for survival after the horrors of the Holocaust. Many believed they had nowhere else to go. It’s a difficult and complex history, and both sides have experienced profound loss. Recognizing that complexity is the first step toward understanding the deep wounds on both sides.

4. Moving Beyond Blame
Framing the conflict as an act of revenge diminishes the pain of both sides. The Palestinians who were displaced did not deserve what happened to them, just as the Jews who survived the Holocaust did not deserve the atrocities they faced. Both peoples have suffered deeply, and if we only focus on blame, we lose sight of the shared humanity in this tragedy. The goal isn’t to justify one wrong with another, but to acknowledge the pain on both sides and seek a path forward.

5. Bridging Empathy
We must hold space for the suffering of both Israelis and Palestinians. This conflict isn’t about justifying violence or displacement; it’s about recognizing that both sides have a legitimate claim to their history and their pain. The only way forward is to approach this with empathy and the desire to understand one another, rather than deepening the divide through anger and blame. Acknowledging the suffering of both peoples opens the door for dialogue and, hopefully, peace.

6. Looking for Solutions, Not More Conflict
The real question is: how do we move forward from this? Both Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live in peace, without fear of displacement or violence. We have to look beyond the past and focus on building a future where both peoples can coexist with dignity and security. It’s not about taking sides in the pain—it’s about finding a way to heal.

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Benji thank you so much for explaining further that israel is such a sick racist coloniser state!! Am I dreaming or did you just describe the nakba as a refuge for zionists? You just showed that zionists should be put in a mental illness hospital and never be let out!! A genocide!!!! Killing innocents!!! Is what brought them the sense of safety!!!!! Do you hear yourself??? Please i would personally rather live my entire life in paranoia than kill one innocent soul!!! Y’all are mentally deranged!!

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If zionists want a country for their own so bad m sure they could just ask the usa or the uk for a piece of land :) m sure they wouldn’t mind since they love you so much 🥰 why kill millions if people for a land??? The palestian land was sooo beautiful before the nakba but israel destroyed it and now a huge part of it is only rubble

[Benji]

Douaaa✨ wrote: "Please beware of what you’re saying!!! And that’s not even the worst part!! Jews had been killed and thrown out of every country, and palestinians were kind enough to welcome them into their houses..."

I appreciate that you’re bringing historical context into this conversation, and it’s true that throughout history, Muslims and Jews have lived peacefully together in many regions. The stories of Muslim protection during times of persecution are not lost on anyone who knows history, and it’s important to recognize that these bonds existed long before this conflict. But the creation of Israel and the events surrounding the Nakba were not born out of hatred toward Palestinians or Muslims. It’s far more complex than that.

History of Muslim-Jewish Relations
"You’re right—there were many times in history when Muslims provided refuge to Jews during times of persecution, particularly during the Middle Ages and the Inquisition. In those times, Jewish people were often protected under Muslim rule when they were facing danger in Christian lands. That relationship is a testament to the history of cooperation between the two faiths. However, the conflict that arose in the 20th century, leading to the creation of Israel, wasn’t about betraying that history, but about a desperate need for survival."

The Holocaust’s Impact on Jewish Survival
"The Holocaust was a turning point for the Jewish people. Six million Jews were systematically murdered, and many survivors had nowhere to go after the war. Europe was still deeply antisemitic, and Jewish refugees faced closed doors in many countries. The creation of Israel was seen by Jews as a safe haven after centuries of persecution, and while the Nakba was a tragedy for Palestinians, it’s important to understand that the Jewish people felt that the establishment of a state was the only way to ensure their survival in a world that had continually turned its back on them."

The Nakba Was a Tragedy, But Not Out of Betrayal
"The Nakba was a terrible event for Palestinians, and no one should deny the pain and displacement that came with it. But it’s important to remember that the creation of Israel wasn’t about repaying Muslims with violence or taking revenge. It was about finding a homeland for a people who had been stateless and persecuted for centuries. The conflict escalated due to political and territorial disputes, and both sides suffered immensely. It's not about betraying Muslims or Palestinians, but rather a tragedy born out of clashing national aspirations."

The Conflict Is Not a Simple Religious Divide
"It’s tempting to frame this as Jews versus Muslims or a betrayal of those who once helped, but the reality is far more complex. The conflict is not simply religious—it’s deeply rooted in national identity, land, and the struggle for survival. Palestinians and Israelis both see themselves as rightful inhabitants of the land, and the pain of displacement, war, and loss has been felt on both sides."

Holocaust Survivors and Israel
"It’s true that some Holocaust survivors stand against Israeli policies today, but that doesn’t diminish the fact that for many Jewish people, Israel represents safety and survival. The Holocaust is not used as an excuse for violence, but as a reminder of why many Jews feel a deep need for a homeland. The scars of genocide run deep, and while criticism of Israeli policies is valid, it’s important to separate that from the right of Jewish people to exist safely in their historic homeland."

Acknowledging Both Histories, Moving Toward Peace
"This conflict is painful and deeply emotional for both sides. There are legitimate grievances that Palestinians hold, and they should be acknowledged. But it’s not about gratitude or betrayal—it’s about understanding that both Jews and Palestinians have suffered immensely. Both groups have legitimate claims to the land, and both deserve to live in peace and security. The only way forward is through empathy, dialogue, and a recognition that the pain on both sides is real."

Rebuilding Trust Through Understanding
"The historical kindness shown by Muslims to Jews is something to be remembered and honored. But it’s also crucial to recognize that the current conflict has many layers, including the trauma of the Holocaust, colonialism, and the nationalist aspirations of both Jews and Palestinians. If we’re ever going to move toward peace, we must stop seeing this as a betrayal and start seeing it as a tragedy for both sides—one that requires mutual understanding and a commitment to coexistence."

[Benji]

The birth of Israel as a nation and people, not the modern state, traces back to ancient times in biblical history. Here’s a timeline of the key events leading to the early formation of Israel:

Patriarchal Era (~2000-1500 BCE)
According to the Hebrew Bible, the story of Israel begins with the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (also known as Israel). Abraham is considered the founding father of the Israelites, and God made a covenant with him, promising the land of Canaan to his descendants.
Jacob, Abraham’s grandson, had 12 sons who became the leaders of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Exodus and the Covenant at Sinai (~1300-1200 BCE)
The Exodus from Egypt, where Moses led the Israelites out of slavery, is one of the defining moments of the birth of the nation. Following this, the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before entering the land of Canaan, which had been promised to them.

During this time, the Israelites received the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai, solidifying their covenant with God and uniting them under a common religious and cultural identity.

Conquest of Canaan (~1200 BCE)
Under the leadership of Joshua, the Israelites entered the land of Canaan, where they settled and gradually established control. This event marks the beginning of the Israelites becoming a distinct people in the land of Israel.

Period of the Judges (~1200-1000 BCE)
Before the establishment of kings, Israel was a loose confederation of tribes ruled by Judges, who were leaders and warriors chosen by God to lead the people in times of crisis.

United Monarchy (~1000-930 BCE)
The formation of a united Israelite kingdom under King Saul, King David, and King Solomon is seen as the formal political birth of the Kingdom of Israel. King David established Jerusalem as the capital, and King Solomon built the First Temple, which became the religious center for the Israelites.
This period is often referred to as the golden age of ancient Israel.

Division and Exile
After Solomon’s death, the kingdom split into two: the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah.
In 722 BCE, the northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrians, and in 586 BCE, the southern Kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians, who destroyed the First Temple and exiled many Jews.

Despite these exiles, the Jewish people maintained their identity, religion, and connection to the land of Israel.
Return from Exile and the Second Temple Period (~538 BCE)
After the Babylonian exile, many Jews returned to the land of Israel under Persian rule and rebuilt the Second Temple in Jerusalem. This period marked the continuation of Jewish religious and cultural life in the land.


The birth of Israel as a people and a nation is deeply rooted in biblical history, dating back to the patriarchs and the formation of the 12 tribes. The political and religious identity of Israel took shape through their covenant with God, the Exodus, the conquest of Canaan, and the establishment of the United Monarchy under King David and Solomon. This identity persisted even through exile and foreign rule, with the land of Israel remaining central to Jewish cultural and religious life.

[Benji]

Birth of a Nation and the Birth of a State are two different things!

The modern State of Israel was officially born on May 14, 1948. This was when David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, declared the establishment of the State of Israel, following the United Nations' 1947 Partition Plan, which proposed the division of British-controlled Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states.

This declaration came at the end of the British mandate over Palestine, and shortly after the declaration, neighboring Arab countries launched military interventions, leading to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Despite the conflict, the new state survived, and Israel was internationally recognized by a number of countries shortly thereafter.

This event marked the official establishment of Israel as a modern, sovereign nation after centuries of Jewish diaspora and efforts for a Jewish homeland, particularly intensified after the Holocaust during World War II.

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Ummm yes it was out of hatred! Ask the ones who started the nakba if they hated Palestinians and muslims and i’m sure they could write you a 1000 pages book about how much their hatred goes :) please don’t try to spread misinformation about something so well known

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Desperate need for survival?😂 they survived just fine when they lived peacefully with the palestinians before the nakba😂 who do you think you’re fooling?😂

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Good thing you talked about a peaceful solution!! It’s weird you make it seem as if it’s not so obvious, i mean like any other occupation the only solution is that the occupiers ( israel) stop massacring the owners of the land (palestinians) and that israel gives the land back to palestinians! It’s so easy!! But obviously they’re not going to do that because israel is so bloodthirsty and wants to take lands even outside of palestine

[Benji]

Douaaa✨ wrote: "Desperate need for survival?😂 they survived just fine when they lived peacefully with the palestinians before the nakba😂 who do you think you’re fooling?😂"

I understand that this is an emotionally charged topic, and it’s easy to use humor or mockery to deflect from the pain and seriousness of it. But I think it’s important to focus on the real issue here, because laughing doesn’t change the facts or the historical reality.

While there were periods of peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the region, the idea that everything was perfect before the Nakba isn’t entirely accurate. Conflicts over land, political control, and immigration were already building tension long before 1948. The Nakba was a tragic part of this conflict, but it’s not as simple as ‘everything was fine before.’ There were already violent clashes, as early as the 1920s, so to claim that everything was peaceful ignores the realities that both Jews and Arabs were facing at the time.

The need for a Jewish homeland wasn’t just about convenience or politics—it was about survival after centuries of persecution, with the Holocaust being the most horrifying chapter. Six million Jews were murdered, and those who survived were often left with nowhere to go. Israel became not just a political ambition but a desperate need for safety. Mocking that desperation doesn’t change the fact that the Jewish people had faced centuries of violence and needed a safe haven.

The tragedy of the Nakba and the suffering of Palestinians is very real, and no one is denying that. But to mock the Jewish people’s need for survival after the Holocaust shows a lack of empathy for the trauma that shaped their history. Both Jews and Palestinians have experienced immense suffering, and rather than laugh at that, we should be working toward understanding and finding solutions that honor the pain on both sides.

Laughing at a serious topic doesn’t add to the conversation—it detracts from it. If we want to have a meaningful debate, we need to respect the experiences and trauma of both sides. Whether we agree or not, mocking doesn’t help us reach a better understanding or move closer to peace. Real progress comes from recognizing the complexities of this conflict and acknowledging that there’s pain on all sides.

[Benji]

It's clear there’s a lot of pain and anger tied to these events. However, it’s important to recognize that the situation wasn’t as simple as living peacefully before the Nakba. The dynamics leading up to 1948 were far more complex than that, and dismissing the desperation felt by the Jewish people at the time oversimplifies the historical reality."

Pre-Nakba Tensions Were Already Escalating:
It’s true that Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together peacefully in some areas before the Nakba, but that peace was fragile and already beginning to break down long before 1948. Violent clashes between Jewish and Arab communities were happening as early as the 1920s and 1930s. The British Mandate era saw riots, massacres, and increasing tensions due to political disagreements, competing national movements, and British colonial policies. So, the notion of pure harmony before the Nakba doesn’t fully reflect the situation on the ground.

The Holocaust Changed Everything for Jewish People
"When I talk about the ‘desperate need for survival,’ I’m referring to the aftermath of the Holocaust. Over six million Jews were murdered, and those who survived were left stateless, traumatized, and with nowhere to go. While some Jews had lived in the land of Palestine for centuries, many Jewish refugees were seeking safety and stability after Europe had failed them catastrophically. The Jewish people felt that without a homeland, their very existence could be threatened again in the future. This isn’t about ‘fooling’ anyone—this is about understanding the depth of the fear and trauma that shaped the decisions of that time.

The Nakba Was a Tragedy, But It’s Part of a Larger Conflict:
The Nakba is a devastating part of Palestinian history, and no one is denying the suffering that occurred. But to claim that the Jewish people didn’t have a legitimate reason to seek safety and sovereignty after the Holocaust ignores the very real dangers they faced in a hostile world. The creation of Israel wasn’t about aggression against Palestinians, but about ensuring a safe haven for Jewish survival. Unfortunately, that led to a conflict where both sides suffered, and oversimplifying it as one side’s fault denies the pain experienced on both sides.

History Cannot Be Simplified to ‘Before and After’:
The idea that things were fine before the Nakba misses the broader historical context. Conflicts over land, national identity, and political power were already brewing long before 1948. Jewish immigration to Palestine was increasing, Arab leaders were rejecting the partition plan, and violent incidents between Jews and Arabs were escalating. The Nakba was a tragic result of a larger geopolitical conflict, not simply an unprovoked act of aggression.

Focus on Moving Forward:
Rather than focusing on a black-and-white narrative, it’s important to understand the complexity of both Jewish and Palestinian experiences. Both peoples have legitimate historical claims and grievances, and both deserve peace, security, and dignity. We cannot solve this conflict by blaming one side entirely, but by acknowledging the trauma on both sides and working toward a future where both Israelis and Palestinians can coexist peacefully.

Empathy and Understanding Are Key:
No one is trying to fool anyone here—this is about recognizing that history is not as simple as good versus evil. The Jewish people were fighting for survival after centuries of persecution, and the Palestinians are still fighting for their rights and dignity after being displaced. Both narratives matter, and only by understanding both can we hope to find a solution that respects the humanity of all involved.

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Benji wrote: "Douaaa✨ wrote: "Desperate need for survival?😂 they survived just fine when they lived peacefully with the palestinians before the nakba😂 who do you think you’re fooling?😂"

I understand that this i..."

You say it's easy to understand the emotions but I don't think you really do. It's a literal genocide by Israel and it's gut wrenching. I really despise that you are spreading false information. I really hope you get educated on this one day and understand what is actually happening