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its funny how they call this christian fiction...
A list of all the bibles.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...
God again isn't very clear in his perfect words.
Which perfect one and the correct one church do you belong? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christia...
Tamara wrote: "It will take me a while, but I will do the research and post my sources. "Please do, I'm intrigued to see the proofs for god and jesus you seem to have that even the most eminent biblical scholars say don't exist.
thats a blog. Proper citations to academic work please.
Tamara wrote: "This is the first link I have found. I am still researching, but this is a good starting block. I do not intend to argue this any further, but I will post links as I find them.http://y-jesus.com/..."
The Pilate Stone discovered in 1961 was declared authentic THEN, but now there are questions about its authenticity. This article states there was very little documentation about any public figure at this time in history. However, there is quite a bit of documentation about Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, Herod, etc. The only secular mention of Jesus that I know of is one line by Josephus that was purportedly added into his accounts.
If indeed Jesus did exist as a Jew in the first century, then it is still an enormous leap from existence to divine existence.
and Josephus wasn't born until 3 years after jesus was supposedly killed, and didn't write anything until many years later, which automatically makes it not a contemporary source, and when you read josephus he's talking about the cult of jesus, not jesus himself.
Tamara wrote: "Nothing I have ever heard has remotely claimed that Revelation is about Rome."Well, that's odd because there are entire theological courses about Revelations referring to the Roman Empire (not that I believe it).
From wiki:
"The obscure and extravagant imagery has led to a wide variety of interpretations: historicist interpretations see in Revelation a broad view of history; preterist interpretations treat Revelation as mostly referring to the events of the apostolic era (1st century), or—at the latest—the fall of the Roman Empire; futurists believe that Revelation describes future events; and idealist or symbolic interpretations consider that Revelation does not refer to actual people or events, but is an allegory of the spiritual path and the ongoing struggle between good and evil."
I've been to Kings Cross, and I've been to Goathland and on the train station that they arrive at in Harry Potter, thus wizards are real, obviously :P
Will wrote: "Tamara wrote: "Nothing I have ever heard has remotely claimed that Revelation is about Rome."Well, that's odd because there are entire theological courses about Revelations referring to the Roman..."
I've also read that too, lots of thinly veiled references, to the roman rulers (Nero or Domitian, if I remember correctly, depending on whose version is being told) that were persecuting him (John of Patmos) at the time.
http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CP...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_...
Thanks, Shanna.It amazes me that someone would say I'm full of BS for saying it, but even a cursory search will reveal that it's a common interpretation.
Will wrote: "Thanks, Shanna.It amazes me that someone would say I'm full of BS for saying it, but even a cursory search will reveal that it's a common interpretation."
I saw it in a documentary too. It seems to me that it's a fairly common interpretation of Revelations.
I wanted to put in my thoughts on this book and the series over all. First off I am religious, I have a strong Christian based faith, I see the power of god and hear him speak almost everyday. Having said that I can say that this first book was good. Very well written and thought provoking. The rest of the went down hill. It was obvious that they did not keep the same people writing for them. The "authors" got greedy and hire the cheapest ghost writers out there.
Reading these books was like watch a Scooby Doo special. At the end of the books the Antichist would say "and I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you pesky kids and your tribulation force"
Utter trash.
I have a problem where I need to finish every series I start but these books almost broke me of that habit. What I really "LIKED" was the not so clever way they would push an agenda in the books. Lines like "I totally disagree with you but I am your wife so I will do what you say" Come on!! Sure there is a side of my that wishes my wife would sound like that but really, what age are we living in?
This could have been a great series, to bad it was used to push a political agenda.
Remember God loves us all.
It is closely based on the book of Revelations. There will be a time when you will wish you didn't attack such a good book and it will be too late. If you are not a Christian, yes I guess it would scare you, but no one is going to sugar coat the truth! The things written in the book is a glimpse of what the world will be like after the rapture, but..."all who have ears let them hear" Obviously you are not willing to listen.
Ruthie wrote: "but no one is going to sugar coat the truth"its a work of fiction, based on stories from another work of fiction.
Hazel wrote: "Ruthie wrote: "its a work of fiction, based on stories from another work of fiction."That was funny. Have you read the books? The first one is actually interesting. Downhill from there.
Never mind your beliefs the first one was a good read and made me think. at least it did 15 years ago.
Davor
Davor wrote: "Hazel wrote: "Ruthie wrote: "its a work of fiction, based on stories from another work of fiction."That was funny. Have you read the books? The first one is actually interesting. Downhill from..."
The first one is crap too. It must have been written on about a 4th grade level.
Ruthie wrote: "It is closely based on the book of Revelations. There will be a time when you will wish you didn't attack such a good book and it will be too late. If you are not a Christian, yes I guess it would..."Are you implying that these books are truth the same way the Bible is the truth? Of the same importance as the Bible in your theology?
I have read all and I was not impressed. The banality of some left me struggling to finish.
Ashley wrote: "Wow, are you trying to make enemies on here or friends?
Because insulting people, doesnt result in you making any friends...
But about the book, I havent read it myself yet, but everyone has rec..."
its a great book
Because insulting people, doesnt result in you making any friends...
But about the book, I havent read it myself yet, but everyone has rec..."
its a great book
For whoever thinks that Revelation is just a book of death and despair, your wrong. This is one of the big books that explain why we as Christians have no reason to fear the world, because eventually all the sinners of the world are going down. I'm only 11 but I've read this book front to back about 5 times and it's amazing.
One of the greatest travesties of modern Christian literature. Has led so many astray.
Mw10 wrote: "For whoever thinks that Revelation is just a book of death and despair, your wrong. This is one of the big books that explain why we as Christians have no reason to fear the world, because eventual..."May I suggest The Magic of Reality: How We Know What's Really True, thats a great book, and its aimed at people from about your age. Also, you might want to try reading some books more aimed at your age group, anything by Robin Jarvis is amazingly good for you age group, I am even happy to recommend the Harry Potter Books if you haven't already read them. At 11, I don't think you've really learned enough about the world to be able to tell other people they're wrong, its great that you want to contribute... but isn't there an age limit on this site... don't you have to be over 13? Ah, yes there is:
http://www.goodreads.com/help/show/23...
You may want to be less vocal about your age in future.
I have read all 16 books of Left Behind Series, Every one has brought me closer and closer to God. These were recommended to me by my preacher and now I recommend them to YOU. "The Regime" and "The Rapture" should be read first I think and If you want to read about the AntiChrist "The Rising" might need to be read before also. But all 16 were great. I am planning on reading them again and ref. the bible to each ref. they have in the books.
I read all 16 books and I busted a gut laughing, until the realization struck me that people adore this sadistic killer character called Jesus. Beware of 'Left Behind' Christians'! They love murder and torture, and they actually exist.
aPriL MEOWS often with scratching wrote: "I read all 16 books and I busted a gut laughing, until the realization struck me that people adore this sadistic killer character called Jesus. Beware of 'Left Behind' Christians'! They love murder..."Of course this is not how the real end of the world will happen. In fact I believe the verse the book uses for Jesus' reign is probably talking more about what the enemy the Antichrist will use (probably nuclear war) which would destroy people so violently and thoroughly.
The book series I have yet to read through and I am sure the ones later on will not be as good as the ones which started. I am past Assassins and I have seen the writing slide (you can only write so much when you have such a long series. This could have been set-up early on or was thought of later which would explain the quality of some of the writing).
I do believe that something like this will happen and even if people joke about this kind of thing it should be taken seriously.
We could have an end of an age where people are going to wish they knew of Jesus and though it wouldn't be late exactly it could be an awful time the earth has not seen yet.
CJ wrote: "I do believe that something like this will happen and even if people joke about this kind of thing it should be taken seriously."Why should it be taken seriously? Thousands of end times have been prophesied, and none had come. "Jesus" himself said that it would happen in the lifetime of the disciples he was talking to and we're still waiting. There is no evidence at all to be taking such a thing seriously.
CJ wrote: "aPriL MEOWS often with scratching wrote: "I read all 16 books and I busted a gut laughing, until the realization struck me that people adore this sadistic killer character called Jesus. Beware of '..."No One knows when the end of times will happen except God. You need to read the Bible First Thessalonians Chapter Four and Five. Daniels 12 1-13 and Revelations 22:12 John 16:33 If you believe any part of the Bible you will believe in the Rapture and Second Advent and The Tribulations and Armageddon and New Earth and New Heaven. And you will believe also in Satan. This is just Lahaye and Jenkins visions of what they say might happen. And if you read and each time they have a scripture go to your Bible and read. This is not a prophesy of when it might happen No one knows this. That is the reason God says like a thief in the night. If you read Daniel and Revelations you will understand some of this and if you have faith and trust YOU will understand better. God be with YOU.
Here's hoping the criminal thief god and the murderer Jesus takes those they claim for their gang 'home' soon. I'm very ecstatic at the thought that all the evil people, or Christians as they call themselves, will soon (?!?) leave the rest of us more decent nice people alone.
I am sad for YOU, Hope You think different before YOU die. Praying for YOU
Glenda wrote: "I am sad for YOU, Hope You think different before YOU die. Praying for YOU"I really do hate it when people get snarky and then say they are "praying for someone." It is so condescending designed to show they are the better person. Comments like that from self-professed Christians are more likely to make people TURN from God. That cannot be good if you are looking forward to judgment.
I have never thought I was above anyone, before I became a Christian or after I become a Christian. I pray for all people salvation. I pray for friends, family, and shut ins, leaders of our country, military every day. and I don't think I got snarky at all. I am putting you and april meows and all others on this blog on the prayer list at Church tonight. Sorry that you hate it. This is my job as a Christians, We always help our fellowman anytime we can. And praying is one way of helping all.
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Since prayer has proven to be without force if the prayer is for peace (using America's history as example): the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Iraq War I and II, Afghanistan War - to name the well-known ones - or if the prayer is for love: divorce, child rape, adult rape, murder, assault, robbery, prejudice, to name a few hater crimes - or if its for my soul, heaven help me from god's kidnap, since isn't free will supposed to be part of the deal, obviously someone's a liar....
Glenda wrote: "I have never thought I was above anyone, before I became a Christian or after I become a Christian. I pray for all people salvation. I pray for friends, family, and shut ins, leaders of our count..."It is extraordinarily snarky and the fact that you do not realize it or refuse to acknowledge it is troubling.
Glenda wrote: "I am sad for YOU, Hope You think different before YOU die. Praying for YOU"This what I hear...
I am sad YOU don't validate MY beliefs. I'VE got it right and YOU have it wrong and I'M glad MY beliefs have a punishment for YOUR lack of validation. I'M praying for YOU because because I arrogantly desire that YOU conform to MY world view.
Shanna wrote: "Glenda wrote: "I am sad for YOU, Hope You think different before YOU die. Praying for YOU"This what I hear...
I am sad YOU don't validate MY beliefs. I'VE got it right and YOU have it wrong and I..."
Amen Shanna!
I say that this series is fiction based on truth. There is nothing fiction about Christianity. We have to remember that Revelations was written by John to the seven churches in Turkey not long after Christ died. He is writing of a vision that is revealed to him and he wrote what he saw and heard. It was a vision of the future and he did not have the language to describe exactly what he heard and saw. So, the authors of the Left Behind series had to assume a lot, but they did a wonderful job. The fictional characters represent people who are "left behind" in a "what if" situation.
Glynda wrote: "I say that this series is fiction based on truth. There is nothing fiction about Christianity. We have to remember that Revelations was written by John to the seven churches in Turkey not long ..."You have absolutely no clue empirically whether anything concerning the end of the world or the afterlife (if there is one) is true. You believe it to be true based on hope and wishful thinking (which is what faith is), but to adamantly declare its truth is extraordinarily illogical and naive. Who is to say that one man's "vision" is not another's hallucination? If I were to tell you of some "vision" I had about the future and that it came from God, would you believe me?
Probably not. I am 66 and in my lifetime I have heard and seen so much. It is just as easy to believe one theory as it is to believe another. I choose to believe that it is God's word. Since I choose this, I would be foolish to be wishy washy about it. I have my own ideas and I do not fall in line with anybody-I read, I think, I study, I decide.Thanks for you comment.
Glynda wrote: "It is just as easy to believe one theory as it is to believe another."Not for me. I tend to believe theories that have evidence to support them, and it's much easier to believe a theory with substantial evidence behind it than one which does not.
Glynda wrote: "Probably not. I am 66 and in my lifetime I have heard and seen so much. It is just as easy to believe one theory as it is to believe another. I choose to believe that it is God's word. Since I ..."And that is fine. However your belief does not translate into truth.
Hazel wrote: "I haven't read the books, I just found the resultant debate interesting :PSell them to me, make me want to read them"I got mind from Amazon and thrift stores.
the rest of his books do not have angels and stuff in them.... just the darkness series......... give the rest a try very good even his teen series.
Will wrote: "Glynda wrote: "It is just as easy to believe one theory as it is to believe another."Not for me. I tend to believe theories that have evidence to support them, and it's much easier to believe a t..."
If you were a person who depending upon reason-this is all impossible. There is no actual support for the beginning of life as we know it. I believe that God created us and that is an act of faith.
We can all second guess each other to death, but the real fact is this all impossible. The big bang theory makes me laugh because I am trying to figure out where all the elements came from that came together and went bang. Atheist asked with tongue in check, "Where did God come from?' I don't know. I choose to believe that He is real. Everyone else has the same right and I am not going to get all huffy if you don't agree with me.
Glynda wrote: "The big bang theory makes me laugh because I am trying to figure out where all the elements came from that came together and went bang. Atheist asked with tongue in check, "Where did God come from?' I don't know."The elements didn't come together and go bang. All of the elements besides hydrogen and helium were created from stars exploding billions of years after the Big Bang. It's quite incredible because this means that YOU were created from the remnants of exploding stars. How poetic and beautiful is that? Very I say.
The great thing about this is, we have evidence. Scientists predicted the existence of the Cosmic microwave background radiation and it's now one of the most important discoveries in cosmology, not only does it confirm the Big Bang model and the expanding Universe, but it makes accurate predictions to this day.
But why does any of this matter? The Big Bang happened whether you want to believe a god was there to start it or not, and yes, if you are going to ask, "what came before the Big Bang?" it is perfectly reasonable to point out that inserting God into the gaps of human knowledge is a fallacy, and one that hinders the progress of humans.
How the elements formed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhhdkY...
Cosmic microwave background radiation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_m...
God of the gaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HooeZr...
Now that I do read all your conclusions. I am very sad of anyone who does not have faith and trust in God. There is so much evidence of God and his miracles, I can never understand anyone who mistrust this. But I do pray to God that he allows You of more understanding and patience. I am sure this note will start another outbreak of disagreement, but I am out of here.God Loves YOU and so do I.
Glenda wrote: "There is so much evidence of God and his miracles, I can never understand anyone who mistrust this."Glenda, that's excellent because evidence is all I require! I would love for you to present this evidence. I have lots of patience and I am also a very understanding person, so no need for concern on those fronts.
Will-you still don't get it. I choose to believe that God is real and he created the universe and us. As far all the other-and maybe I am hardheaded-a scientist would have to tell me how you can make something out of nothing. If you have a blank slate, can hydrogen and helium pop out of it. Maybe, I should worship hydrogen and helium.
Scientist and philosophers predict so much stuff-some of it has to happen.
My question is - who can honestly dispute that God created this world? Where and how did it start? How do you get something from nothing? (What came first, the chicken or the egg? lol Now I am being silly)
Maybe, I am not a "good" Christian (Thank God for Grace) but I don't love everybody and I don't care what you believe and I won't be praying for you because I believe that God knows what needs fixing.
BUT-I have enjoyed hearing what you have to say. Thank you.
Glynda wrote: "Will-you still don't get it."No, I get it, you can believe in god, I won't dispute your right to believe in one, but there is no reason to make the assumption. You would have to first define which god you think exists and then show evidence for your god in order for me to accept your god in place of all the other ones people tell me is real for which there is no evidence for. But beyond this, you can believe all you want, what I'm disputing is your dismissal of science, which is a proven system for determining reality. The computer you are using is proof.
As far all the other-and maybe I am hardheaded-a scientist would have to tell me how you can make something out of nothing.
Physicist Lawrence Krauss can help you with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGk...
How do you get something from nothing?
Isn't it your beliefs that everything came from nothing? I mean, it came from an invisible, unexplained force (Yahweh) for which there is no evidence, and haven't all mysteries EVER solved had natural explanations? I find it bizarre this accusation of something from nothing when The Big Bang Theory does not say it all came from nothing. But you didn't know this because you've dismissed it without looking at the evidence. But that's okay. It's never too late to look at the evidence.
I don't care what you believe
WOW, well, tell us what you really think. At least you are straight up and honest that you don't care what I think. Can't say I'm not surprised. Most people who I converse with who hold a literal interpretation of the Bible will straight up admit to me that they completely reject any evidence that goes against their interpretation of the Bible. That just seems dishonest to me.
I won't be praying for you because I believe that God knows what needs fixing.
It's okay, I'm sure my mother still prays for me, maybe her prayers will make up for your non-prayers so I'm still in the plus column for prayers. Or maybe neither will have an affect on me.
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