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[Will]

And then he ruins that by saying no one gets to the father but through Him. Not humble.

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Shanna wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "... don't know if it is possible to call Jesus humble... I would not call his a humble outlook"

In Matthew 26 verse 39 Jesus says "O my Father, if it is po..."

He said both of these things.

[Shanna]

Then why don't all the accounts say that?

[Hazel]

GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

In John chapter 13, Jesus washes the disciples' feet, saying that "...neither he that is s..."

that is only part of what he says, he actually starts that little ditty with:

“You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you..."

doesn't sound humble to me, and in that context, it sounds like he's saying that he's as important and great as god, not that he's less important.

[Janette]

Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

Unless He is actually the messiah, then it is not a complex, He's just stating a truth. By your logic, you are not humble if you tell people your name is Will, and you want people to enter your house by asking your permission rather than trying to break in.

[Will]

No, sorry, it is not dependent on it being fact or not, and that was not a logical metaphor to my statement.

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Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

In John chapter 13, Jesus washes the disciples' feet, saying t..."
Jesus is the one who was sent here to the earth. God is the one who sent Jesus here. In that case, their relationship is the sent and the sender. Jesus is saying in that passage that the servant is not greater than his master, and that the SENT is NOT GREATER than he who sent him. That means that Jesus is saying that he is below God, as he is a servant of God and sent of God. Through that, he is saying that he is more or less equal to the diciples, since they, too, are servants of God and because God has sent them to minister to all the people, even while they are still folowing Jesus here on Earth. Now, I am not saying that Jesus wasn't put above anyone else here on the earth, but that was how people saw him. Everything Jesus did was to show people God through his life and the miricles he did. He made it clear to all that the powers he possesed came through the Father and the Father alone. He never claimed that the power came from inside of him.

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Will wrote: "No, sorry, it is not dependent on it being fact or not, and that was not a logical metaphor to my statement."

According to your logic, if I were to tell you that my username is GND(Girl Next Door), I am not being humble, to your standards.

[Will]

You realize that not only is that not logical, viz, it makes no sense, but it does not follow from my statement AT ALL.

[Will]

Just saying, "by your logic" and then following it up with something nonsensical does not make it by my logic.

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Janette wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

Unless He is actually the messiah, then it is not a complex, He's just stating a truth. ..."

I understand your point, I think. But, Jesus is actually the messiah.

[Giansar]

GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "But, Jesus is actually the messiah. "
Well, it is still in the realm of belief.
We still have to wait for a proof of that, haven't we?

[Hazel]

GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

In John chapter 13, Jesus washes the disciples' ..."

and your proof for this? Your proof that jesus existed? Your proof that god exists?

Why is Jesus the messiah, and not on the several dozen other people who were called messiah at the time, of which there are contemporary records (in which there is no mention of a Jeshua). Why is Jesus the Messiah, when the Jewish people whose prophecy it is that a messiah would come say that jesus does not fit the requirements to be the messiah, that he does not fulfil their prophecy?

[Shanna]

Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

In John chapter 13, ..."

Yes without proof everything is just an assertion.
You'd need to prove a deity, then that deity is the abrahamic god of the Old testament and not one of thousands of other possibilities that have been worshipped by humans at some point or another, then prove Jesus existed, then that he and not the other potential candidates for the position, who've actually been documented, is the real messiah. Then prove the record we have of his words the New Testament is true and accurate and considering the history of the bible and the fact the earliest gospel can only be dated to 30-70 years after his "supposed" death and that the bible is demonstrably factually inaccurate, good luck!

[Hazel]

After his supposed time of death. Lets be accurate here ;P

[Shanna]

Hazel wrote: "After his supposed time of death. Lets be accurate here ;P"

Of course, I had thought it implied, but, best to be consistent :D

[Giansar]

Maybe we should try and find those people that actually knew Jesus in his time. After all he said in Matthew:“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
So, we should still have some 2000 years old guys and gals puttering about, waiting for him to come.

[Shanna]

Giansar wrote: "Maybe we should try and find those people that actually knew Jesus in his time. After all he said in Matthew:“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the S..."

That sounds like the beginnings of a novel

[Giansar]

Shanna wrote: "That sounds like the beginnings of a novel "
Damn it. I knew I should had kept it to myself ;)

[Will]

*begins to write furiously*

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Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

In John chapter 13, ..."

If there was definate proof that Jesus was the Messiah and that God really exists, then you wouldn't need faith or have the need to believe in Him, now would you? So, if need to SEE something to believe in it, then how do you know you have a brain? Have you ever seen your brain? Have you ever felt your brain? Have you ever smelled your brain? Then how do you know it exists? Because you believe. Because you have faith that you have a brain that controls every move you make. What's so different about a God who is sovriegn?

[Hazel]

Ah, I see, so do you actually care if what you believe is true or not?Because to me, thats very important. The only way to know if something you believe is true, is to find evidence to support it.

I don't believe my brain exists. Don't throw such a ridiculous argument out, I'm a biology graduate, so even if I haven't seen my brain,I've seen other brains, I've seen evidence of brains, I know the physiology and biology, I've seen several human brains, and if we have proof that humans have brains, then we can extrapolate from that prrof that all humans have brains, and I have enough evidence to know that I have a brain. This requires no belief and no faith.

You've never seen me, are you sure I exist?

The difference with god is there is absolutely no evidence. None whatsoever. So I can only assume that you do not care if your beliefs are true or not.

[Shanna]

GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Hazel wrote: "GND(Girl Next Door) wrote: "Will wrote: "Having a Messiah complex is the exact opposite of being humble, no matter how you slice it."

In Joh..."

Thats ridiculous thanks to modern science can show you your brain via the wonders of MRI (I've seen mine this way), CT scan, don't believe them, they can open your skull and touch your brain, stimulate areas that can create involuntary speech, movement and alter your emotional state even in the right spot stimulate your own personal divine revelation.

You say "faith" like it's a virtue, it isn't. It's a demonstration of gullibility and credulousness, it required to sustain christianity and as such is sold to the adherants as a good thing because if you question, require proof and demand evidence the whole thing falls apart, because there is none, none whatsoever for any of it.

There are many people who believe many things, hindus believe in Shiva, they have the same quantum of proof you do, belief, does that mean Shiva is real?

[Giansar]

Well, there is no zero probability in quantum physics. Therefore, if we live in a quantum world (or maybe string world already), we have to agree there is a slight chance such a thing as brain doesn't exist, regardless of whether we saw, felt, smelled it or not. Thus if knowledge is limes of belief in infinity we still should be saying we "believe we have a brain".

[Will]

There's an equivocation going on here. When you (Giansar) say you believe you have a brain, it's equivalent to knowing it, but still leaving room open for all of the evidence that says you do to somehow be wrong, a "slight chance," as it were. GND is using belief like "faith," as in, something that must be believed without evidence.

[Anthony]

well i find them quite boring and almost to the point of being inane. if you want great story telling about the end times, read the Christ Clone TrilogyIn His Image: Book One of the Christ Clone TrilogyActs of God: The Christ Clone Trilogy, Book ThreeBirth of an Age: Book Two of the Christ Clone Trilogy

then compare them to the left behind series.

i firmly believe the guys who wrote the left behind stuff did it purely for the money.

[Patricia]

BamaGal wrote: "I've read and enjoyed the Left Behind series, even if I don't agree with all of it. Anyone who is a Christian is not going to be here when the prophecies of Revelation come about, anyway. We will ..."


I agree 100% with this comment. We who are Christians will not be here to endure the torture written in Revelation and in the Left Behind series, and I have read the entire series including the prequel and sequel series. Also I would like to suggest that the reason it is called "Christian fiction" is because it is a fictional account of Christian values.

[Patricia]

Profe wrote: "but it was written to scare the pants off of anyone that believes in Revelations.

Every generation has a fear of/desire for the Apocalypse. Somehow its implied that death and destruction will giv..."


I would rather be a "nutty Christian" than a "sane" non-believer. Anyway, the Left Behind series was not intended to be taken literally and besides that, if you read Revelation carefully, you would discover that it is a scary story to begin with so the Left Behind series, which is based on the book of Revelation is no more scary than the book it is based on and besides that, true Christians do not have to worry about those things because they will be gone from the earth before any of those torturous things come about and therefore will not have to endure them.

[Will]

"I would rather be a "nutty Christian" than a "sane" non-believer."

What an odd thing to say.

[Shanna]

Will wrote: ""I would rather be a "nutty Christian" than a "sane" non-believer."

What an odd thing to say."

Agreed.

[Rosie]

Profe wrote: "but it was written to scare the pants off of anyone that believes in Revelations.

Every generation has a fear of/desire for the Apocalypse. Somehow its implied that death and destruction will giv..."

Eternity is too long to be wrong.

[Giansar]

Rosie wrote: "Eternity is too long to be wrong. "
So true.
How do I decide who's right then?

[Tina]

Love the books couldnt wait till the next one was out. They are great. God is great and good. Pray and he will lead you to the right path which is narrow. God Bless

[Mary]

Rosie wrote: "Eternity is too long to be wrong. "

Which might be a good reason for right wing evangelicals to rethink their hatred for the poor thing.

[Nikki]

I read this book about 13 years ago. I had no knowledge of the bible at all and I loved it. I loved the characters..well most of them. The book did cause me to start questioning whether God is real and if the bible is true. I did a lot of reading and questioning and became a Christian. The name of Jesus will always cause division. So no surprise that this discussion began with an attack. Darkness HATES light. Intellect apart from God makes many of us arrogant and unable to learn from others we believe are beneath us. Many Christians are scholars, geniuses, mathematicians, etc however we are made out to be gullible, naive and dumb. We all believe in something...and believing there is no God also requires faith.

[Nikki]

Xox wrote: "Nikki wrote: "I read this book about 13 years ago. I had no knowledge of the bible at all and I loved it. I loved the characters..well most of them. The book did cause me to start questioning wheth..."

I agree which is why research is important. There is plenty of evidence it's up to the the individual whether to accept the evidence or not. I believe in God and I'm glad I do. However as I said earlier the book was a fun read..I've always liked books and movies with apocalyptic themes or end of the world. I guess this genre isn't for everyone LOL

[Will]

What evidence?

[Nikki]

Will wrote: "What evidence?"

If you sincerely cared to research this I am certain you'd find the resources to do it. Most of us were given assignments in school in which we had to hit the library, Internet, etc to complete research papers. There are thousands of books, websites, etc that can direct you if you are really interested.

[Nikki]

You've already made your choice not to believe so I wont waste your time and especially mine! LOL Time is precious ..have a good night.

[aPriL does feral sometimes]

When everything is said and done, born-agains end up relying on a deluded psychotic break when they 'felt' God or Jesus flood their body with a happiness. No conversation, even one discussing psychological conditions, will ever convince these people what they felt was similar to a Runner's High, and achieved along similar methods, I.e. extreme stress. Only life experience of physical stress states and reading educated, non-biased histories and early literature can maybe help them understand they had a delusion.

[Nikki]

I would be happy to help however I would prefer to private message since this forum is for book reviews.

[Will]

Thanks for the condescending reply, Nikki. I know how to research and read, this is one of the main reasons I am a non-believer. If you have any evidence, which you claim to have, then please present it.

[Nikki]

Will wrote: "Thanks for the condescending reply, Nikki. I know how to research and read, this is one of the main reasons I am a non-believer. If you have any evidence, which you claim to have, then please prese..."
Will I am so sorry that my post was perceived that way. I can tell by your posts you are able to do those things and in no way was I trying to be condescending. As I mentioned above I would be happy and humbled by having the chance to discuss this with anyone however not on a book review post. Please feel free to message me privately if you'd like to : )

[Julie]

They called Jesus worse. They did worse to Jesus. In a little while is Christians will be mourning his crucifixion and celebrating his resurrection.

As one character says in Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins books " Read the book, we win!"

[Giansar]

Nikki wrote: "You've already made your choice not to believe so I wont waste your time and especially mine!"
What do you mean "made your choice"? Believing or not in anything let alone God is not your choice. You cannot just freely decide to believe in something. It's completely beyond your will.

[aPriL does feral sometimes]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal...

[aPriL does feral sometimes]

This is how the bible was written and put together. God was not at the table.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Co...

[Hazel]

Tamara wrote: "Proof of Events and Historical Evidence. Did you know that at one point they had found a city with its walls completely fallen accept for one section with a house built into it? Sounds like Jericho.
Even philosophers say that Jesus really existed.

wrong, theologians tell us that there are no contemporary records to show the existence of a man called Jesus, or more to the point jeshua, and have said there is no evidence that eh existed. Also there are hundreds of dead towns and cities that are now just rubble, claiming that means they are jericho is ridiculous.

Credible Testimony: 40 different people over 1,600 years wrote a book with no contradictions in it.

Hahahahaha, laughable, there are contradictions in the same verses, there are internal inconsistencies within 2 lines of each other, I can't help but suspect you haven't read the bible. see the link given by April

Logical Reasoning: It makes a lot more sense for a God to have created the world than for it to have just spontaniously come into existence from nothing.

which just shows you don't understand the physics of it. Giod makes far less sense, because you then have to be abel to explain god. If god can just simply be, then so can the universe.

Rational Conclusion and deductive reasoning: Jesus existed. That's been proven. Most people will even say he was a good man. Well in order to be a good man he couldn't have been a liar. He therefore what he said must have been true.

It has not been proven jesus existed, in fact, there is little to no evidence of the man, and even biblical scholars agree that is the case. And if he did exist, why does being good mean he wasn't a liar? Most people lie, but that doesn't mean they aren't good people. I think you're going for the "he was either a good man, a liar or insane" argument here, and completely failing to include the option "or fictional", which is the position that is most supported.

Plausibility: Don't talk to me about plausibility. All you evolutionists have no proof for your beliefs at all. You try to show us things you say would be proof and every one has been proven to be a lie or a hoax. The Bible was written by people that history can show really existed. Our faith isn't blind. You who shut your eyes because you don't like the truth of a higher power that you must be accountable to are blinding yourselves. "

What beliefs would these be? As a person who understands why evolution is correct, I do not hold a belief regarding it, when there is as much overwhelming evidence for something as there is for evolution, belief and faith is not required, just a rational understanding of the importance of evidence in our understanding of the world. And yes, there have been some hoaxes, and some things shown to be incorrect, but one thing the theory of evolution has had over the last 150 years is support, every time it is tested it is supported, and strengthened. It is now so well supported that it is fact, if you don't like that, thats fine, but refusing to understand it, or being unable to understand it doesn't make it incorrect, it just makes you incorrect. The proof for evolution can fill several museums, and does. The proof for the existence of god and jesus wouldn't even fill the back of a postage stamp.

Which bible do you mean, btw way? Which of the thousands of copies that are available are you taking your teachings from? I prefer to be accountable to myself thanks, I am a good person because I don't want to be a dick, not because I want to avoid a spanking. Being good to avoid a spanking isn't being moral, its simply being obedient to a bully. The bhagavad gita is older than the bible, do you think its right? The epic of gilgamesh is older too, and is one of the texts the story of jesus was ripped off from, so which is more likely to be right/ The original ancient text of gilgamesh, or the bible that copied it? But wait, the story of jesus also draws from hindu stories, and from the story of Horus in egyptian ancient religions, oh, and lets not forget mithra, who was born of a virgin, had 12 disciples, and was sacrificed for mankind...

and in the end, what it comes down to is prove god exists, do that, and I'll listen to any other argument you have, prove there is a god, and that its yours out of the thousands worshipped, and any of your other arguments may start to hold water.

[aPriL does feral sometimes]

To expand your vision on how scholars and church leaders study revelations and argue about it, constantly.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_...

[aPriL does feral sometimes]

The Left Behind series conversation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind

It made the writers very wealthy.