Left Behind
discussion
its funny how they call this christian fiction...
Hope for what? Please elucidate, as thats a rather vague phrase you used there.so yuo and god, and christ, you pop down the pub together for a quick drink? Sit down and watch a movie together? Sorry, thats me being facetious again ;P
Do you talk to him? Does he reply? do you actually physically hear the replies?
Just out of interest, as i've been wondering since you told us about your TBI, did you have a near death experience?
Hazel wrote: "What makes you so sure that your god is the true one? Have you read all the other holy books? Have you experienced their religious ceremonies? You are very certain in your assertations, yet you hav..."
Your quoting of Twain has come to mind - though not in the same way. I told you, I have questioned my own beliefs. I wondered how they can be true/real. I actually did a week or two ago. But you know the saying "the proof is in the pudding"? The truth is out there, as plain as the nose on your face (I imagine you have a nose, correct?)
Your quoting of Twain has come to mind - though not in the same way. I told you, I have questioned my own beliefs. I wondered how they can be true/real. I actually did a week or two ago. But you know the saying "the proof is in the pudding"? The truth is out there, as plain as the nose on your face (I imagine you have a nose, correct?)
yes, I have a nose, if you have the proof, can you please share it.
Hazel wrote: "Hope for what?"
You ask me that. Now let me ask you something, also. Then I'll answer.
If there is no hope, then what are we going on for? If there truly is no God & no hope & no afterlife then why does anyone keep trying to be "the big man"? Why does anyone keep doing their best to "beat everyone's best"? You know, to be "the top dog"?
You ask me that. Now let me ask you something, also. Then I'll answer.
If there is no hope, then what are we going on for? If there truly is no God & no hope & no afterlife then why does anyone keep trying to be "the big man"? Why does anyone keep doing their best to "beat everyone's best"? You know, to be "the top dog"?
Hazel wrote: "yes, I have a nose, if you have the proof, can you please share it."
You want proof? Go for a walk in the woods. Not the city. The woods; for 30 minutes. While there, observe everything around you. What do you see? Could a man possibly make all you see there? The trees; the brook; the stones in the brook. The snow on the ground? And how about the animals of the forest? In the Spring time, you will certainly see birds, and possibly other creatures. Do you think that - with their complex bodies and diverse ways of life - they simply "evolved" from "nothing"?
You want proof? Go for a walk in the woods. Not the city. The woods; for 30 minutes. While there, observe everything around you. What do you see? Could a man possibly make all you see there? The trees; the brook; the stones in the brook. The snow on the ground? And how about the animals of the forest? In the Spring time, you will certainly see birds, and possibly other creatures. Do you think that - with their complex bodies and diverse ways of life - they simply "evolved" from "nothing"?
I've spent a lot of time in the woods, theres no proof of god there, its only proof of god if you designate it that without any evidence that god had anything to do with it.Evolution explains how the trees and the animals and birds came about, geology explains the rocks in the stream, meteorology explains the snow. We've explained all these things, and all the explanations found preclude the requirement of a deity.
evolution is the change, over time, of organisms from a simple form to more complex forms, caused by spontaneous genetic mutations. It explains all the life that you see, and precludes the need for a god. In fact, the junk DNA within organisms can be shown to have had uses in previous forms that the current organism has evolved from.
They didn't evolve from nothing, more complex forms evolved from simpler forms. Don't get confused, evolution doesn't explain the origins of life, that abiogenesis, evolution explains how earlier lifeforms changged over time to more recent complex lifeforms. and I linked you to some videos quite a few posts ago to explain both abiogenesis and evolution. I suspect you either didn't see the post, or that you just didn't bother looking.
Kendra wrote: "Hazel wrote: "If there is no hope, then what are we going on for?"A good question. Unfortunately, an irrelevent one, as the only reason you ask it is because you are presupposing that only believing in a god can give you hope.
I live a happy, fulfilling life in which my work directly helps the disadvantaged. I have a heart (sorry Hazel, figure of speech) full of hope, love and forgiveness (couldn;t do my job without them) but none of it comes from any belief in a god, it comes from *me*.
Why do you insist I must be without hope? I assure you I am not!
Kendra wrote: "Do you think that - with their complex bodies and diverse ways of life - they simply "evolved" from "nothing"?"Well, it makes a hell of a lot more sense that the idea that they were all crammed inside a giant ark...
Kendra wrote: "Hazel wrote: "Hope for what?" You ask me that. Now let me ask you something, also. Then I'll answer.
If there is no hope, then what are we going on for? If there truly is no God & no hope & no afterlife then why does anyone keep trying to be "the big man"? Why does anyone keep doing their best to "beat everyone's best"? You know, to be "the top dog"? ."
well, personally, I enjoy life, I have my friends, and family, you know, real, touchable substantial being shtat I interact with, and love and gain love from.
I'm not quite getting this big man and top dog stuff. People compete in some things, yes, and they generally do it for the joy of competing.
I make the meaning in my life, I have a daughter who i love, and who I want to see do well for herself, and who i want to watch grow up, and I want to show her things, and teach her things, and see the wonder and awe in her eyes as I explain how a rainbow works, and tell her what the pawprint in the mud is from, and all that sort of thing. My life has more than enough meaning, and direction, I don't need the promise of another life after this one. I have friends, I have family, I have a roof over my head, and a whole world on my doorstep, why do I need a god too? Why do I need to consider this world as a pale shadow of a potential world to come, when this world has so much in it to see. This is the world I live in, this is the life I have, i will not compromise that for a promise that no-one can provide evidence for. You wouldn't spend the next 2 weeks going around naked on the promise of a million dollars at the end of it unless someone provided proof that there was a million dollars waiting for you, well its the same thing.
In fact, knowing there is no afterlife encourages me to make the most of this life, instead of wasting time preparing for soemthing for which no-one has any evidence. There is no reason to assume that there is anything more than this life, and as such, that akes this life full of potential and wonder, and I have to fit it all in, and theres so much to see and do and experience here, now, on this planet, with the people I want to surround myself with.
Why would I trade this life for a potential other one? Thats ridiculous, I won't waste my time on praying and attending whatever holy building may be the one I grew up nearest, I will live it, I will go out and make the things I want happen, not pray for them and hope, I will live it actively, not passively.
There is more joy in knowing that I have this time to make the most of everything, than in the thought of slavishly following an ancient text in the hope that theres more after this.
i also find this dea of an afterlife, the whole heavenly reward and punishment of hell thing to be a very immoral way to live your life, it essentially means that you're only a good person because you get a reward at the end of it, or are scared of a punishment at the end. Well, to me, thats ultimately selfish. Well, I'm a good person because its the right thing to do, no matter what I get in return. I'm a good person because I don't want to be a dick to people, and I don't want them to be a dick to me.
And on that note, I'm off to bed, as its gone midnight.
Shaun wrote: "Kendra wrote: "Do you think that - with their complex bodies and diverse ways of life - they simply "evolved" from "nothing"?"
Well, it makes a hell of a lot more sense that the idea that they wer..."
Hmm. Your skepticism is amazing...just amazing! No, not really. I'm not surprised in the least. I have thought of that, myself. Yes, even though I am sure of my salvation (which cannot be lost once truly gained), I have had my own doubts/questions.
Think about what you just said. In the ark.... Is it possible - at all - that they were not the regular, huge animals of every kind - kind - placed on the ark? is it possible - at all - that it was simply babies? Babies are much easier to keep "penned up" and "enclosed" - which was most-likely necessary. They probably didn't eat as much as adults would, either.
Besides, with the mutations and microevolution to hold under consideration, I doubt there were as many animals back then as there are now. Have you ever considered that?
Well, it makes a hell of a lot more sense that the idea that they wer..."
Hmm. Your skepticism is amazing...just amazing! No, not really. I'm not surprised in the least. I have thought of that, myself. Yes, even though I am sure of my salvation (which cannot be lost once truly gained), I have had my own doubts/questions.
Think about what you just said. In the ark.... Is it possible - at all - that they were not the regular, huge animals of every kind - kind - placed on the ark? is it possible - at all - that it was simply babies? Babies are much easier to keep "penned up" and "enclosed" - which was most-likely necessary. They probably didn't eat as much as adults would, either.
Besides, with the mutations and microevolution to hold under consideration, I doubt there were as many animals back then as there are now. Have you ever considered that?
Wow, you've really come up with some utter bullshit for this one haven't you. so far, you've not hit these sort of depths. babies? You mean the ones that would die without their parental care. Come on, use some common sense. The ark is a story and nothing more. I mean come on, on of each type, that means the insects too, so, a fly that reproduces in a day, you've got a pretty big population at the end of 40 days. Also, as the purpose of the flood was to wipe out all life but that on the ark, does that means that fish, and other water going animals, and say ducks and other floating birds simply escaped this wrath?There were about the same number of animal species 5000 years ago as there are now. Did you know that if they took one of each kind of aniamal onto the ark, and then the rest have evolved since then, for the number of species that are extant, that would have meant a speciation event every 30 seconds (or something like that, this info is from Why Evolution Is True), and that sort of rate is completely impossible, even you have to admit that.
Read something about evolution before you comment on it. We read the bible before we commented on it, how about you extend the same courtesy.
Oh, and for the previous post, the reason I came back instead of going to bed, is to show you what atheist have in their lives, I present the wonderful (and atheist) Tim Minchin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCNvZq...
Oh no... you seriously didn't raise the idea of microevolution.The mystical belief that no amount of inches can add up to a mile, that no amount of water drops can add up to Niagara falls* and that no amount of tiny incremental changes can result in a very large change...
Now, I have seen, and understood, the careful explanations of how evolution works, how it is sufficient to explain all that we see in terms of the variety of life around us. I have answers for the oft posed questions of "what use is a half evolved eye" or "what benefit would a bird get from a half evolved wing". I *know* that speciation has been observed in short-generationed species, in the lab. I understand the principles of evolution, and, broken down, they are so simple a child can understand them if explained carefully.
What I have never had sufficiently explained is why God needed a boat** to save 7 each of the clean animals and 2 each of the unclean. Or why God felt the need to drown every innocent person and animal on the planet except for a select few. Or how one family could collect the millions (even accounting for 4000 years of antedeluvian micro-evolution)of animals required from around the world, from the Aye-aye to the Zebra (and including aquariums for all the fresh water fish). Or how these animals were fed and mucked out (especially the carnivores). Its a pretty story but it has so many incredible (as in, not credible) elements it is just ludicrous to believe it is a true account.
*Slowly, I turned...
**"What does God need with a (star)ship?
Kendra wrote: If there is no hope, then what are we going on for? If there truly is no God & no hope & no afterlife then why does anyone keep trying to be "the big man"? Why does anyone keep doing their best to "beat everyone's best"? You know, to be "the top dog"? "Do you actually believe that God wants people to beat everyone else????? You think Christianity is about being the top dog???? I was not sure I could be surprised, but you just did it. You do not have a clue about who or what you worship.
I wasn't aware that, as an atheist, I have no hope. I guess I should just kill myself now.../wrists
Will wrote: "I wasn't aware that, as an atheist, I have no hope. I guess I should just kill myself now.../wrists"
The condescension is truly mind boggling.
I am so sick of the religious saying I have no hope without their ridiculous beliefs, especially since it was breaking away from religion that actually directly led to me not having a feeling of hopelessness for the fist time in 10 years.
I think she stole that ;)as I've heard it before (perhaps from Hazel herself), but regardless, the statement is very telling.
Xox wrote: "Hazel wrote: "there are over 1000 species that display homosexuality, but only one species that displays homophobia."Well said. Worth repeating."
Do you think if I repeat it one more time it will drive the message home? Nah...logic is wasted.
Xox wrote: "Xdyj wrote: "I think many people here are just arguing that the bible should not be taken as literal truth. It was written in a more superstitutious times when people often mixed history with myths..."Sorry what I meant is 史记, a text on the history from mythological periods to 121 BC.
Alec wrote: "Who are we to say what is right and what is wrong? I believe in God but also believe in many things that Bible condemns. Like homosexuality for example. If God was all loving he wouldn't send us to..."
Many Christian denominations today seem to be more enlightened though. An openly gay bishop just gave a talk at my school a while ago.
Xox wrote: "Mary wrote: "Do you think if I repeat it one more time it will drive the message home? Nah...logic is wasted."It wouldn't hurt. I find it really disgusting that when the people are still at war/s..."
I think that if they are afraid of hell, they might need to read the words in red and not all the drivel Paul spouted. Jesus was pretty adamant about feeding the hungry, taking care of the poor, AND he told everyone to pay their taxes. In Matthew it says, "by your fruits we shall know you." Where is the fundamentalist fruit that shows they care about the poor? Where is the fruit showing that care whether children have healthcare? Where is the fruit showing you protect widows with a job that pays a living wage? The only thing I see coming out of fundamentalism is a distorted view of prosperity salvation. They blithely forget about the camel and the eye of the needle. I choose to have NO PART of a religion that does not care about their fellow man.
OK. I'd say you've all "bitten my head off" for my stand. I'm sorry if I have offended any of you. Please forgive me. Also, please do not take offense, because I have difficulty controlling myself when it comes to "worrying about others". I often go "over-board", and for that, I ask your forgivenss.
Xox wrote: "Mary wrote: "Xox wrote: I think that if they are afraid of hell, they might need to read the words in red and not all the drivel Paul spouted. Jesus was pretty adamant about feeding the hungry, tak...I hate the character Paul, he was such a homophobic, sexist jerk. "
You and me both. I don't know why they just don't call themselves Paulines instead of Christians since they don't do anything Christ told them to do.
Xox wrote: "Mary wrote: "Xox wrote: I think that if they are afraid of hell, they might need to read the words in red and not all the drivel Paul spouted. Jesus was pretty adamant about feeding the hungry, tak..."Completely agreed. I always think he comes out as a hypocrite and traitor in those parts of the bible supposedly attributed to him.
Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "OK. I'd say you've all "bitten my head off" for my stand. I'm sorry if I have offended any of you. Please forgive me. Also, please do not take offense, because I have difficulty ..."
Xox, I don't mean to offend. I never have, and I never will. Asking for forgiveness is a way of showing my remorse. I'm not placing anything on any of you by doing so. not purposefully. It's up to you to either forgive me, or not. Your choice.
Xox, I don't mean to offend. I never have, and I never will. Asking for forgiveness is a way of showing my remorse. I'm not placing anything on any of you by doing so. not purposefully. It's up to you to either forgive me, or not. Your choice.
Xox wrote: "Xox wrote: "Xdyj wrote: "Sorry what I meant is 史记, a history text from mythological periods to 121 BC.""OK.
{BTW} Happy Birthday."
Thanks!
Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "Xox, I don't mean to offend. I never have, and I never will. Asking for forgiveness is a way of showing my remorse. I'm not placing anything on any of you by doing so. not purposeful..."
Now I take offense at what you just said to me. If you think that showing remorse and asking for forgiveness is wrong, then you've got a few things ot learn here, Mister.
Now I take offense at what you just said to me. If you think that showing remorse and asking for forgiveness is wrong, then you've got a few things ot learn here, Mister.
Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "Now I take offense at what you just said to me. If you think that showing remorse and asking for forgiveness is wrong, then you've got a few things ot learn here, Mister."
You are a..."
Please. The only reason i'm riled now is because of what you just said to me.
You are a..."
Please. The only reason i'm riled now is because of what you just said to me.
Kendra, you're a christian, so forgive him...see what I did there ;P
Also, you have to understand, that its the bible that we find offensive, and its the assumption that you're right without any evidence that we find offensive. It is not you, but your actions that are offensive. You can easily change this by changing your actions. And by this I don't mean you should change your faith in god, but maybe you should reconsider whethersome of the stances you have been taught, such as those on homosexuality, are really caring, and humanitarian.
You have no evidence, beyond your own personal anecdotal evidence of god, so not evidence, but there is plenty of evidence of their being other people in the world, so maybe they should be more important, and they should all be equal, and they should all be entitled to the same freedoms, the freedoms that fundamentalist Christianity, and Islam, and a number of other religions, want to deny over half the worlds population. Whats really important, clinging to the bible, and hoping you go to heaven, and so ignoring how you can be a really good person, or putting it down for a moment, an taking a proper look at what religion actually does for the world. I don't deny that they can do many good works, but they do lots of evil too. There is nothing good that religion can achieve that cannot be achieved by purely secular means.
i loved the books i am a christan so i liked the books
that doesn't follow. "I am a christian so I liked the books", did you give the books any critical thought? Were they well written, was the plot development pleasing? Did the characters seem well fleshed out? The fact that its christian fiction and you're christian should not be the defining factor of whether you liked the books or not.That would be like me saying "I loved the hobbit. I'm really short, so I liked the books"
Kendra wrote: "Alec wrote: "But homosexuality isn't forced. If you're gay and you don't like woman, why torute them by making them be with a woman or go to hell?"Ah. But that's where you/they have a choice..."
It's not right to make them be with someone they don't wanna be with or don't be at all.
Hazel wrote: "that doesn't follow. "I am a christian so I liked the books", did you give the books any critical thought? Were they well written, was the plot development pleasing? Did the characters seem well fl..."It follows perfectly - both require questionable judgement and lack of critical thinking skills.
Leah wrote: "i loved the books i am a christan so i liked the books"Not all christians like them imo. Just google slacktivist.
Alec wrote: "Kendra wrote: "Alec wrote: "But homosexuality isn't forced. If you're gay and you don't like woman, why torute them by making them be with a woman or go to hell?"
Ah. But that's where you/they ..."
Hey. I'm not saying they have to be with anyone. They could be single their whole life. I'll likely be single - partly by choice, partly because I have physical limitations that I don't want to put on someone else. It'd take a miracle to find the one for me. I'm just glad that I have the One.
Ah. But that's where you/they ..."
Hey. I'm not saying they have to be with anyone. They could be single their whole life. I'll likely be single - partly by choice, partly because I have physical limitations that I don't want to put on someone else. It'd take a miracle to find the one for me. I'm just glad that I have the One.
Xdyj wrote: "Leah wrote: "i loved the books i am a christan so i liked the books"
Not all christians like them imo. Just google slacktivist."
Xdyj> not everyone is willing to accept being told that they aren't doing the right thing; that they have sinned and must face the consequences; even that there is an end in sight. I don't love the idea of "time" ending before I've made it in life.......helped people (that's my main goal)
Not all christians like them imo. Just google slacktivist."
Xdyj> not everyone is willing to accept being told that they aren't doing the right thing; that they have sinned and must face the consequences; even that there is an end in sight. I don't love the idea of "time" ending before I've made it in life.......helped people (that's my main goal)
Hazel wrote: "that doesn't follow. "I am a christian so I liked the books", did you give the books any critical thought? Were they well written, was the plot development pleasing? Did the characters seem well fl..."
Actually, Hazel, I believe what Leah was trying to say was that she enjoyed the books due to their Biblical point of view. Of course you don't agree with her - or me, or anyone else who says something like that - because you don't agree with that particular point of view. I'm sorry.
Actually, Hazel, I believe what Leah was trying to say was that she enjoyed the books due to their Biblical point of view. Of course you don't agree with her - or me, or anyone else who says something like that - because you don't agree with that particular point of view. I'm sorry.
What do you mean by asking me that? I'm not "judging"....simply stating "facts". Obviously, they are facts that no one ever wants to hear. I don't like being told that I sin, but I do. There's no getting around that.
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Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "Hey. I'm not saying they have to be with anyone. They could be single their whole life. I'll likely be single - partly by choice, partly because I have physical limitations that I d..."
Well, first of all, I'm not saying that two people cannot be together. I just don't agree with homosexuals, because God meant for men and women to be together> as in one man + one woman.
Why do you assume because I don't agree with yourp oint of view that I'm attacking you? I was told just yesterday that you weren't attacking me by disagreeing with me. It's the very same thing.
Well, first of all, I'm not saying that two people cannot be together. I just don't agree with homosexuals, because God meant for men and women to be together> as in one man + one woman.
Why do you assume because I don't agree with yourp oint of view that I'm attacking you? I was told just yesterday that you weren't attacking me by disagreeing with me. It's the very same thing.
Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "Hey. I'm not saying they have to be with anyone. They could be single their whole life. I'll likely be single - partly by choice, partly because I have physical limitations that I d..."
"da one"? I did not say that. I said "the One". God is the One.
You all seem to think that because I believe in God, I"m wrong, no matter what. Just because I don't know everything, or have all of the facts down in my head anymore, doesn't mean that I'm wrong. Believing in nothing isn't going to solve anything, is it? It's not going to answer all of the questions that scientists have been searching for answers for since I don't know when.
And, might I add that Galileo discovered that our universe is "sun-centered". NotEarth-centered. Doesn't that tell you that before he found that, he did research? He found that he was wrong, and he admitted to it.
If I was proven wrong, I'd admit to it. But not a thing any of you have said is proof enough for me to just quit believing in the Almighty.
"da one"? I did not say that. I said "the One". God is the One.
You all seem to think that because I believe in God, I"m wrong, no matter what. Just because I don't know everything, or have all of the facts down in my head anymore, doesn't mean that I'm wrong. Believing in nothing isn't going to solve anything, is it? It's not going to answer all of the questions that scientists have been searching for answers for since I don't know when.
And, might I add that Galileo discovered that our universe is "sun-centered". NotEarth-centered. Doesn't that tell you that before he found that, he did research? He found that he was wrong, and he admitted to it.
If I was proven wrong, I'd admit to it. But not a thing any of you have said is proof enough for me to just quit believing in the Almighty.
I have a question for all who are present here.
Do you know everything ? If you do, you will most-likely be able to answer this for me. What does it take to make a baby? If you know everything, then you also know that it's possible that this baby or that baby will be born with a physical deffect. If you know so much, you should be able to put a stop to such things. Or to cancer. My grandmother died of cancer after a 10-year battle. The doctors could not save her from that. They could only slow down the cancer's effects.
Who is to say when something will happen, or not? You can't predict that a car will run a stop sign, and get hit by a speeding truck, can you? You don't know that. If you did, I'm pretty certain that you would do/say something, isn't that correct?
For the last time, God did not bring sin into the world. I don't know <>iwhy He did, but it is here. We have to learn to deal with sin, just like everyone else. Children have to learn to deal with eating food they don't like as well as food they do like. Adults have to learn to live with paying the bills, and making money. Humans have to learn to deal with sin in the world, as well as the good.
Do you know everything ? If you do, you will most-likely be able to answer this for me. What does it take to make a baby? If you know everything, then you also know that it's possible that this baby or that baby will be born with a physical deffect. If you know so much, you should be able to put a stop to such things. Or to cancer. My grandmother died of cancer after a 10-year battle. The doctors could not save her from that. They could only slow down the cancer's effects.
Who is to say when something will happen, or not? You can't predict that a car will run a stop sign, and get hit by a speeding truck, can you? You don't know that. If you did, I'm pretty certain that you would do/say something, isn't that correct?
For the last time, God did not bring sin into the world. I don't know <>iwhy He did, but it is here. We have to learn to deal with sin, just like everyone else. Children have to learn to deal with eating food they don't like as well as food they do like. Adults have to learn to live with paying the bills, and making money. Humans have to learn to deal with sin in the world, as well as the good.
Kendra wrote: "But those hideous things done by so-called Christians....who says they are ordained by God? God does not condone such things/actions. He doesn't want to see anyone die....it says so in the Bible...."They say they're ordained by god. They believe just as strongly as you do that they now what God's will is and that they're doing it.
The bible says a lot of things, some of it is contradictory. This is partially because of numerous writers, and partially because the various books and pieces of it were written in different contexts. The bible can be twisted to mean all sorts of things.
Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "What do you mean by asking me that? I'm not "judging"....simply stating "facts". Obviously, they are facts that no one ever wants to hear. I don't like being told that I sin, but I d..."
I am sorry to have offended you. I probably could have put that in nicer terms, I suppose.
But I would like to know - in all honesty - if you have ever lied; if so, what does that make you? How about stolen - if so, what are you known as? Have you ever said something bad; something wrong; something mean? That won't gain you any points, really.
I am sorry to have offended you. I probably could have put that in nicer terms, I suppose.
But I would like to know - in all honesty - if you have ever lied; if so, what does that make you? How about stolen - if so, what are you known as? Have you ever said something bad; something wrong; something mean? That won't gain you any points, really.
Molly wrote: "Kendra wrote: "But those hideous things done by so-called Christians....who says they are ordained by God? God does not condone such things/actions. He doesn't want to see anyone die....it says s..."
You say some of it is contradictory. Care to share what 1 or 2 of those "contradictory" things are?
You say some of it is contradictory. Care to share what 1 or 2 of those "contradictory" things are?
Xox wrote: "Kendra wrote: "But I would like to know - in all honesty - if you have ever lied; if so, what does that make you? How about stolen - if so, what are you known as? Have you ever said something bad; ..."
That's just...sad.
That's just...sad.
Kendra, can you explain your comment about Galileo, please.Contradictions in the bible:
is god warlike or peaceful:
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
they can't even agree on who Josephs father was
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
or when the women went to jesus's grave
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
God made animals before he made adam
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
but wait, no, god made adam before he made animals:
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Is it good to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
there are more of these. On reading the bible, I actually find contradictions within verses of each other. The bible is rife with these contradictions.
OK. I can see that you all want me to stop my defence of
my beliefs
, even if you won't stop trying to justify your own. Fine then. Good bye.
we aren't justifying beliefs, Kendra, we're stating facts in relation to scientific theories, historical accuracy and the contents of the bible.Yet, whenever you're presented with something you don't like, you throw your rattle out of the crib, and have a tantrum. Honestly, you've threatened to leave this conversation 3 or 4 times now, each time with histrionics. Maybe, if you're going to behave in such a way, it would be best if you actually stopped.
Hazel, you rock. Amazingly anal. I SO love you.
Hmm.......good point, Hazel. I'd leave this discussion now - and let you all "relax" - if I could. I've tried to change receiving notifications to NOT receiving any. It won't work.
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And this is the point I raised before - SO HAS EVERY OTHER RELIGIOUS PERSON.
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Oh, Shaun, I don't expect you to believe me. I'd want you to believe God. Atheists....I'm sorry to say....have little - if any - hope. That's why I'm sad about this.
It may be true that every other religious person says the same as I do, but not every other religious person can say that they know God personnally. I have a personal relationship with Christ. He lives in my heart/life. That's what's so different.