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“AI”-generated images is a big fat nope from me.
and you'll likely run into some copyrights/rights issues doing that. The characters might be copyrighted. Sometimes a digital publisher can't even get the rights to publish all the photos in a paper book like this one:Just Kids by Patti Smith where the blurb states:
Due to copyright restrictions, this eBook may not contain all of the images available in the print edition.
and using AI, too many of the characters will likely look alike (generic long blonde haired blue-eyed heroines with the same facial features and body types).I don't even like comic book/illustrated versions of some of my favorite characters because the drawn images don't look like what I've imagined.
All in for AI here. It is only going to get better and better and why not add illustrations. All forms of books will still exist and this seems a worthy job for AI. E-books did not kill paper books, audio books did not kill either and the quality of audio books has only improved since the George Guidal and Scott Brick days (yes those days still exist).As CBRetriever said, copyright issues exist just about everywhere right now anyway so illustrate the ones you can.
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Ruth wrote: "“AI”-generated images is a big fat nope from me."Thank you for your thoughts. Could you elaborate a little why this is a big fat nope for you?
CBRetriever wrote: "and you'll likely run into some copyrights/rights issues doing that. The characters might be copyrighted. Sometimes a digital publisher can't even get the rights to publish all the photos in a pape..."Thank you for pointing. Copyright is important, but in this case we will not reuse some images for commercial purpose, we will generate a new one. Please correct me if I miss something here.
CBRetriever wrote: "and using AI, too many of the characters will likely look alike (generic long blonde haired blue-eyed heroines with the same facial features and body types).I don't even like comic book/illustrat..."
This is exactly what we are going to change by the idea - to have all characters different by default (not based on some illustrator vision or so called "general standards") and then based on a reader's preferences with help of the possibility to customize them.
The scenario is the following: you open the reader, it generates illustrations which you can change. Don't like skin tone - no problem, want another body type - sure, and so on).
Probably this is our fault that we were not able to clearly reflect this
idea in the video, please let me know if this is so...
Hank wrote: "All in for AI here. It is only going to get better and better and why not add illustrations. All forms of books will still exist and this seems a worthy job for AI. E-books did not kill paper books..."Thank you. I hope that AI here will have a value for readers. AI just for AI is not my way ) At least I hope so and that's why I am trying to validate the idea before making one more "AI for AI" product )
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Allison wrote: "same!"Could you please share some more details to let me better understand your "no" for the idea?
Michelle wrote: "Ditto!"Could you please share some more details to let me better understand your "no" for the idea?
AI for art is not creating art. It's stealing artists' work. That's not even getting to the ethical issues of AI's exceptional demand on resources we need for humans rather than generating images built upon the work of humans who are not getting compensated for their work.Honestly, these are both issues that are being very thoroughly debated in regards to the ethical use of AI. Either you are asking because you genuinely are unaware due to not bothering to educate yourself about these ethical issues or you mean to argue in bad faith. Either is not great.
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Allison wrote: "My thoughts go along similar lines though. I'm not okay with AI being trained without consent of the owners of the material used in training it. And of all the social and societal gains I think we ..."Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Allison!
Michael wrote: "This is exactly what we are going to change by the idea - to have all characters different by default (not based on some illustrator vision or so called "general standards") and then based on a reader's preferences with help of the possibility to customize them."in some cases the character is copyrighted, so any AI images of them are thus illegal. In a lot of cases you cannot even write a book using an author's characters.
My reasoning is basically everything said by the other naysayers above, Michael :)
aha and here's the information:Fictional characters can be protected separately from their underlying works as derivative copyrights, provided that they are sufficiently unique and distinctive. Fictional characters can, under U.S. law, be protected separately from their underlying works. This is based on the legal theory of derivative copyrights.
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Copyright protection is available to both characters that have been solely described in writing, as well as characters depicted in a visual or graphic form. What is required is that the character in question possesses original or a set of distinctive traits, and visual representation is not essential.
Michael wrote: "These days I read a lot afresh and some time ago I asked myself, what about making the reading experience from our screens even better again? What if we could combine the immersive nature of social media with the depth of books? What about boosting our imagination and experience to a new level by having relevant and interesting pictures in our books while reading?"Hi Michael! Well, no, thanks, man.
When I read I have scenes, characters, and settings in my head. I’m the “image generator”, though I’m guided by author’s words. And when I watch a movie, I have the director’s vision. For me, reading a book and watching a movie are two different levels of imaginative freedom. The hybrid you want to trial is, I think, a middle ground ‘tween the two. I don’t think I’d like it. I can handle some illustrations in a book, some graphic details, but nothing interactive. I like comics too, but there the pictures tell the story. But that is me. I hope I didn't say nonsense. :D
Allison wrote: "My thoughts go along similar lines though. I'm not okay with AI being trained without consent of the owners of the material used in training it. And of all the social and societal gains I think we ..."I agree. In fact, I don't want AI to be trained with what I write and I don't think I am the only one that thinks like that.
Michael wrote: "Michael wrote: "These days I read a lot afresh and some time ago I asked myself, what about making the reading experience from our screens even better again? What if we could combine the immersive ..."When I read that comment I thought, yeah, that's right. In fact, normally I have in my head a better image than what is represented in films, because my imagination doesn't cost me anything, so it can be as rich as it has the power to be.
Anyway, I think imagination is just like any muscle: you have to exercise it to have better results. If you have an AI that's telling you how anything in a book should be represented, your mind is not going to exercise at all, as it has the image there.
I prefer my basic e-reader, although that's my opinion and there could other people that could profit from it (deaf or deaf-mute people?).
Allison wrote: "My thoughts go along similar lines though. I'm not okay with AI being trained without consent of the owners of the material used in training it. ..."I think I may have been trained in part by what I've read. I'm not quite sure how artificial, or intelligent, I am.
I've read the Lord of the Rings series multiple times and I like using my imagination. I read the series one time imagining the characters as Disney characters and the last time I used the movie characters.
Michael wrote: "Ruth wrote: "“AI”-generated images is a big fat nope from me."Thank you for your thoughts. Could you elaborate a little why this is a big fat nope for you?"
It’s partly the copyright issue, and wanting artists to be compensated fairly for their work. It’s partly the environmental impact. And it’s partly that I have absolutely no interest in consuming “artworks” that have been generated by a machine. I want my art to be created by a squishy human mind.
CBRetriever wrote: "I've read the Lord of the Rings series multiple times and I like using my imagination. I read the series one time imagining the characters as Disney characters and the last time I used the movie ch..."I just re-read that trilogy for the third time and the movie actors have now taken over my imagination!
Michelle wrote: "I just re-read that trilogy for the third time and the movie actors have now taken over my imagination!"Same for me, Michelle. Movie scenes keep coming back to me as I read.
Michael wrote: "Michelle wrote: "I just re-read that trilogy for the third time and the movie actors have now taken over my imagination!"Same for me, Michelle. Movie scenes keep coming back to me as I read."
Not Eowyn - she was woefully miscast. I would have thought a much larger woman who actually looked like she could wield a sword would have been better for the part. I hear Uma Thurman was considered for the part and she would have been a better fit. I think Milla Jovovich from the Joan of Arc movie would have worked well.
But in the late 2000s social media came along with its endless stream of captivating pictures and videos, pulling my attention away from books. Fortunately, before it I was able to complete all series of Hyperion by Dan Simmons. 🙈
These days I read a lot afresh and some time ago I asked myself, what about making the reading experience from our screens even better again? What if we could combine the immersive nature of social media with the depth of books? What about boosting our imagination and experience to a new level by having relevant and interesting pictures in our books while reading? 🤔
Now, I’m working on creating a book reader application with customizable illustrations that brings this vision to life. I hope this application will make you read more in the same way as Nokia 3650 increased my reading time. But to make it perfect, I need your help! 🆘
Please watch the demo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J41bS... and fill the GoogleForms survey https://forms.gle/2wzfgyLRAoweKfcr7 to share your feedback. Your input is valuable for me and I appreciate your time spent on helping me to better understand how valuable the idea is.