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#101: Combined it with other editions, including Korean.
Could you please create an English profile for this Korean author (I didn't find the English name)https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...
and combine with Russian translation
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
#104: Done: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...I wasn't able to find the author's website or social media profiles either in Korean or English, so I used the English spelling in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wit....
Vol 6 https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...Vol 7 https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Vol 8 https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Vol 9 https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Vol 10 https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Hello, I'm new here and have a question about webnovels. In the Librarian Manual it says "Serialized, web-only editions that have been subsequently published as completed works" are allowed, does this mean those serialized editions (webnovels) are allowed if there are subsequently published complete works (ebooks), or are only the latter allowed?
Follow-up question about web-only editions (ebooks) with an ISBN:Apparently books only available via a website that requires registration are not allowed, does this include regular bookseller sites such as RIDI, Kyobo or Yes24? I'm assuming this only applies to exclusives that are sold on one site only but books broadly sold across multiple bookseller sites are allowed?
Helo Tny, welcome, and thank you for your help.You should make this kind of questions in this Section:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group...
There you'll have a lot more feedback than in this thread.
Concerning your question, I personally avoid dealing with webnovels, so I'm not sure about what I'll say.
To me, what makes sense is only adding the subsequent ebooks.
But reading the excerpt you quoted, it seems that the original webnovel is eligible too to be added to GR.
Here is a discussion thread that might shed some light for you.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
If not, I'd advise you to post your question in the section I mentioned.
Thanks, I'll check it out!
Follow up:I asked in that section and am linking the thread here:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
This seems to indicate that completed webnovels sold on bookseller sites can be added but unless they're also the publisher as per the Librarian Manual (e.g. RIDI's publishing subsidiaries), book data has to be taken from other sources e.g. https://www.nl.go.kr/ or from purchased copies of the book.
On another note, how would you guys feel about a dedicated folder for Korean language requests in the Foreign Languages section?
Tny wrote: "On another note, how would you guys feel about a dedicated folder for Korean language requests in the Foreign Languages section?."That would be great.
As you can see in this thread, there aren't a lot of korean language book requests, but most of those end up at the end of the list.
There are other librarians helping with korean requests, but they are not very active, so, any help would be welcome.
Ok, from what I've seen, creating a new folder wouldn't have any benefits as it would still be a single thread, please correct me if I'm wrong.I'll gladly help out though, 잘 부탁드립니다. 화이팅!
So far I've been mostly leaving webnovels / webcomics requests alone. The existing requests in this thread that I was unable to respond to mostly belong to this category. I'm not sure if I can add them, but I felt kind of bad to close all those requests wholesale, so just didn't touch them.The Librarian Manual lists
"Webcomics (unless published in individual volume(s) in print or as ebook(s))"
as a non-book item so they can't be added:
https://help.goodreads.com/s/article/...
It doesn't say webnovels, but given that Goodreads doesn't care whether the contents is comics, graphic novels, or just texts as long as they are books, I don't think the contents matter. But as you can see, the problem is, Korean webnovels are so popular and their sales even exceed the normal books at this point so we are getting so many requests to add them.
Another problem with webnovels / webtoons are they often don't have a record in non-bookseller websites. I heard Ridibooks is allowed when the publisher is a subsidiary of Ridibooks, but most of the webnovels are not from those publishers.
Unlike webnovels, ebooks published based on webnovels should be eligible to be added, but mostly they don't have records in a non-bookseller websites either. Also, even Ridibooks usually lists a single ISBN for the whole ebook series, making me wonder what the individual ISBNs for each of the books are.
But still there are many webnovels and webnovel-based ebooks already added to the GR database and I don't want to oppose or remove them or anything. I mostly think GR librarian manual is kind of outdated at this point and needs some revising wrt web novels.
Heejin wrote: "So far I've been mostly leaving webnovels / webcomics requests alone. The existing requests in this thread that I was unable to respond to mostly belong to this category. I'm not sure if I can add ..."I found that many webnovels and ebook editions of them are recorded on the 국립중앙도서관 ISBNㆍISSN 납본 시스템 site (nl.go.kr/seoji), I requested that it's added to the list of approved sources:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
It's a bit tricky to navigate at first, there is a search button that doesn't work, but if you expand the menu (three lines) and then insert the ISBN in the search bar there, it works.
If we could direct people there, it would solve 90% of the valid requests, otherwise I think a short explanation about what's needed or reason for rejection would be nice.
But yeah agreed that the manual is not ideal in its current form.
Edit: The search also works for title and author
Tny wrote: "Heejin wrote: "So far I've been mostly leaving webnovels / webcomics requests alone. The existing requests in this thread that I was unable to respond to mostly belong to this category. I'm not sur..."National library of Korea (https://www.nl.go.kr/) is already in the list of approved resources, so I think it's fine to consider https://www.nl.go.kr/seoji already approved given that it is from the same website. That website doesn't seem to have cover arts either though, like the main library website.
Whether webnovels themselves can be added or not is still up for debate though. (To me the Librarian Manual seems to say they can't, but other people have different opinions)
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Also, I often refer to two more public book databases (i.e., non-bookseller sources):
1. https://bnk.kpipa.or.kr: Database run by a government branch, 문화체육관광부 Ministry of Culture, Sports, and Tourism (MCST)
I requested for the addition of this site of the "official" approved sources months ago (https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...) but received no replies. I'm using it anyway; the National library website's info alone is just too limited (e.g. it doesn't have book covers).
2. https://kobic.net: Database run by Korean Publishers' Association.
Unfortunately these two databases don't have ebook or webnovel info.
I also check publishers' websites myself when adding books.
Ok, that makes sense, I'll remove my request then. Thank you for the links, that's very helpful!Under "Acceptable sources for covers and book data" it says
"Other valid cover sources
An individual user's scans or photos, taken of books they own or have in their possession
A screen capture of an ebook cover for that specific edition", I think this is very helpful.
As for webnovels, under "Valid book records" it lists "Serialized, web-only editions that have been subsequently published as completed works".
I think this describes webnovels, from what I understand this would mean they're not considered webcomics. I wish the language wasn't so ambiguous and give concrete examples for clarity.
Be My Baby (애물)https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
ニューヨーク製菓店
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
톡신 Toxin
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I Delayed My Death Because Of a Will / 유언 때문에 죽는 건 잠깐 미뤘습니다
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
카프카 단편집
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
와일드 로봇
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
#122: Done#133: 카프카 단편집 and 와일드 로봇: Done
Also I think ニューヨーク製菓店 should be in Japanese post (given that the title is in Japanese)
Thank you for adding the books.Heejin wrote: "Also I think ニューヨーク製菓店 should be in Japanese post (given that the title is in Japanese)"
According to OP, Language: Korean and Japanese (Both versions are in the book), so I put this request here, since this thread is active, which I'm not sure is happening with the japanese thread.
Bruno wrote: "Thank you for adding the books.Heejin wrote: "Also I think ニューヨーク製菓店 should be in Japanese post (given that the title is in Japanese)"
According to OP, Language: Korean and Japanese (Both vers..."
It's difficult to check without knowing Japanese. The linked source is the Japanese publisher's site, personally I couldn't find any Korean sources for the book.
Edit: Oops nvm I accidentally added the book, it's been corrected. 🙈🕳️
Done (without covers and page counts):#106
#108
#109
#123 1, 3 &4
Closed:
#107 (webcomic)
Question about webnovel format:
Should the format be set as "webnovel" via "Other", or as "ebook" with the edition as "webnovel"?
Thank you for your feedback.It didn't occur to me that, although the book was (also) korean, it could have been published in Japan, making it dificult for a non-japanese librarian.
I'm glad you were able to add it anyway.
About your question, I'm sorry but I can't really help you. I usually stay away from webnovels.
Based on the description translated by Google Translate, I believe these three editions are the same book:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
Could someone confirm this based on the Korean title and author name on the covers? If they are the same, which English version of the author’s name should be used as the primary author? The Polish version uses Kim Sun Mi, the Indonesian version uses Kim Sunmi, and Amazon lists it under Kim Seon Mi. (There’s also Kim Seon-mi in the database; is this the same author?).
I would agree it's the same book and author based on the title and author name. Kim Sunmi, Kim Sun Mi, Kim Seonmi is all the same name (김선미). Romanization can be done in various ways and it seems there was no agreement between the different publishers regarding cohesion.
Tny wrote: "I would agree it's the same book and author based on the title and author name. Kim Sunmi, Kim Sun Mi, Kim Seonmi is all the same name (김선미). Romanization can be done in various ways and it seems t..."Thank you
Please rename these two books of Fredrik Backman https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
Olga wrote: "Please rename these two books of Fredrik Backman https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2..."
Done!:)
Regarding webnovelsGenerally Goodreads only allow works that have been published, in some form or another. Webnovels are usually something that is ongoing and changing, such works are not permitted. There are also requests to add chapters - this is also not allowed. And the most common source for such works is an online site where you can read a couple of chapters for free, and then you need a subscription. Also not allowed.
However, if the work was completed and it was published in some form, if it is for sale, if the number of pages is known, it is possible to consider an ebook. Typical example for allowed webnovels and comics is Kindle format. When the work was finished, formatted and added on Amazon. The assignment of ISBN to an ebook can also be considered confirmation of the publication.
There are many discussions on this topic in the group. And most often the answer is unclear, because the librarians are not personally familiar with the specific work. In the case of the Korean language, it is almost impossible to understand without knowing the language.
Olga wrote: "Regarding webnovelsGenerally Goodreads only allow works that have been published, in some form or another. Webnovels are usually something that is ongoing and changing, such works are not permitt..."
Yes, I'm not considering unfinished webnovels, only finished and published works. The issue is that it's difficult to find approved non-bookseller sources, e.g. the National Library of Korea's ISBN/ISSN registry has records of many webnovels but no covers and afaik covers from bookseller sites aren't allowed unless they're also the publisher.
Javier wrote: "악녀는 그림을 그린다 (not sure if eligible)https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/..."
Done (without cover)
Natalia wrote: "Please add Korean author's name and change the title.https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1..."
Done!
Please change the title to Korean.Also, are You Yeong-Gwang and Yeong Gwang Yu the same name?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
Natalia wrote: "Please change the title to Korean.Also, are You Yeong-Gwang and Yeong Gwang Yu the same name?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2..."
Done.
They're the same name with slightly different romanization, the first is Korean name order, the second Western name order. I also added the name in Korean script.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
It seems that this book was originally published in Korean, but I couldn't find the author or the other editions in the database. Could someone check if the original edition or author is already present in the database under the original title/name, and if so, combine them?