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The Only Jane Austen Book I Actually Enjoy.
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Sorry if I offend!

Pride and Prejudice. All I gained from reading it was the knowledge that I would never want to read another Jane Austen work, or ever watch a movie based on what might be considered the prototype for today's mindless soap operas.





But anyone who doubts Lizzy's passion for Darcy simply hasn't been reading carefully enough. The passion is there in the small dramas of daily life.





I think Austen was focused more of struggling to find happiness while still appeasing society’s norms and expectations at the time. I don’t doubt that they aren’t passionate; I just believe it is a more controlled passion than that of Bronte, etc. I think that most of the women in the novel had to keep their passion in check because when they didn’t they were considered foolish and improper by their society (ex. Lidia, and even Mrs. Bennet). Lizzy is very different from many women in her society at that time period. Turning down a marriage to save her sister and family from destitution because she would be satisfied with nothing less than being loved and adored by her husband was very liberal during that time and she does it without being disgraced by the society around her. She is also very critical about the expectation of her own sex as well which is reflected in the conversation that she has with Darcy at Pemberley. Despite the fact that her family up bring was not as society would dictate it should be for her to be a lady, Lizzy never let that hinder her from being agreeable to it. I think that one reason that Darcy was persuaded to marry below his status to her was because of the good head she has on her shoulders.
I also think that Austen’s stories speak more to women as well because women are still struggling with being happy and fitting into society’s norms. Men have more freedom in our society, where there are numerous double standards for women even today.



Time, re-reading, and lots of others, both other readers and more academic types, as well as gifted film producers, have slowly taught me how much is in these slender volumes. I can only encourage you to keep re-reading them, alongside reading lots and lots of other things. I truly have come to believe they belong to that category to which Mark Twain refers when he said "Don't read good books. There isn't time for that. Read only the best."
But, there are lots and lots of other "bests" besides Ms. Austen, and I have come to accept that some days the "best" is the whatever entertains us or informs us.

i agree with you about the lack of passion.. I would attribute that to the lack of passion in her life though.. As for the book i really loved it and i was really interested in finding out about how people and especially ladies would behave back then..


Robin -- I hope you are able to see the similarities as well -- for example, there is a line (at least in the PBS/BBC movie) that I had missed in earlier readings with Jane rhapsodizing about the good she would have been able to do as mistress of Pemberley (before she and Darcy reconciled). I didn't remember the line (I haven't double checked the text), but it reminded me so much of The Privileges by Jonathan Dee. Even though the overall messages of the two books are very different, a belief in the usefulness of material wealth to accomplish good ends seems to have a continuity.

I completely agree! The subtle witty-ness and complicated text is sometimes nice. Makes your brain work and you start to think deeper... at least that was my experiece with this book. I found myslef excavating the literature and not just reading word after word and liking it because the "girl ended up with the guy" motife that most people go for. :)

If I am correct and you are referring as to what Clare said, then yes. I agree with you. How can one possibly know what a good book is before you open them??? Unless she is like every other young child in this world that googles the book before reading them. Come on now Clare, please be serious and honest. Just cause its a pretty picture doesn't mean its a good book. Jane Austen is a decent writer, not all her works are earth shaking...

Sorry if I offend!
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Lucía wrote: "Oh come on! before you open them??? And you expect to impress this guys saying that??"
If I am correct and you are referring as to what Clare said, then yes. I agree with you. How can one possibly know what a good book is before you open them??? Unless she is like every other young child in this world that googles the book before reading them. Come on now Clare, please be serious and honest. Just cause its a pretty picture doesn't mean its a good book. Jane Austen is a decent writer, not all her works are earth shaking...

Sorry if I offend!
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I was indeed thinking about Clare´s comment. Please forgive my lack of contextualization, I´m new at goodreads and still learning how to use it... I actually thought I was adding a comment to hers :)
Thanks for the answer, by the way!


That said, I actually like Pride and Prejudice. It's a fun read, with good characters, some decent humour and a happy ending.




Yes Emily I think you should. It's really good in my opinion. It's one of those classics that everyone should at least read once. But if at first you don't understand it, watch the movie. I had to do that with Midsummer's Night Dream. The book is far better than the movies, but it does give you an idea.
~Tasha


Also, I think knowing a bit of the politics of the time helps. I cannot remember the actual statistics, but I when my family lived in England and visited Bath I learned that the ratio of women to men during this Austen's period was quite daunting. There were very few men as they'd all been killed off fighting Napolean. So, times were desperate, especially if marriage was the only legitimate way to support yourself.


Exactly!!!

What overbearing mother has there ever been that hasn't agreed with that statement? Read the book!



Some of my complaints include the constant listing of names of towns, houses, cities,homesteads, etc. on every single page, the lack of passion, and most importantly, the lack of the development of characters. They had so much potential, especially Mr. and Mrs. Darcy, both hilarious when they were actually given the chance to make an appearance, which was rare. I didn't despise the book, but I will admit I suffered a tiny bit by making myself finish the freaking thing.

whoops Mr. and Mrs. Bennet not mr and mrs darcy

What sacrilege, to speak of Jane this way! Only one of the best writers in the English language, clear, ironic and hilariouly acute about the society she lived in.
Pleae try Emma!

Au contraire, there's no lack of passion, it's just expressed differently.
I respect Mark Twain's opinion, because he is undeniably one of the greatest American writers, but I suspect it was Austen's class he despised, as most Americans left England to get away from that class-ridden society.

Don't you recognise class structures in America though?? What about Newport, Rhode Island??

Sorry if I offend!
Good on you Clare! I think I was reading Austen when I was thirteen too - I know I had to read David Copperfield by Dickens in my first year at high school - it nearly put me off him for life, with David being a sop and Dora one of Dickens' washed-out heroines.
Fortunately, though, I later discovered Our Mutual Friend and Bleak House, two of his best.
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You said passion is expressed differently in the book, so how is it expressed exactly? I'm not saying there was zero passion, but in my point of view there was definitely a deficiency of it.
And when you say it is expressed differently, differently from what?
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