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📚 Alana (professional book nerd) (Kaladins version ✨)✝️ wrote: "I know that from what I have read- and so discussed with my dad, it’s not what Gods plan is. In the Bible (I can’t quote it exactly - I’m not exactly sure where it is- maybe genesis…) it says that ..."I agree with what you said and I actually do like that view. lol. I'm anything but a feminist 😂😂
Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Thank you so much Bets!! *receives them with a big smile and hurls them passionately*You're right, I definitely don't think we can cal..."
HAHAHAHA rubbish it is!! LOLL 🤣🤣🤣
Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "I'm not sure who he is either, they just have the audacity to call him and another dude "apostles." Bah...must go read my Bible. Really? I haven't liste..."
Haha same, I almost never put my hair up. lol. But growing up mom had to have it up all the time.
Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Thank you so much Bets!! *receives them with a big smile and hurls them passionately*You're right, I definite..."
Why is that word so fun to say? XD *glares at someone haughtily* "Take away that rubbish from my view!!"
📚 Alana (professional book nerd) (Kaladins version ✨)✝️ wrote: "I know that from what I have read- and so discussed with my dad, it’s not what Gods plan is. In the Bible (I can’t quote it exactly - I’m not exactly sure where it is- maybe genesis…) it says that ..."I want to point out that men making more rational decisions than women is not always the case. Unfortunately, I know many, many instances in which a man thinks that he's making the better, more rational decision, but he most certainly is not (in my opinion), and he won't listen to his wife because he's the "man."
Also, just because wives are supposed to submit to their husbands does not mean that they are greater or better than women in any way. Christ submits to the Father and yet is equal to Him.
Sorry, just had to point that out, haha.
Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "I'm not sure who he is either, they just have the audacity to call him and another dude "apostles." Bah...must go read my Bible. Reall..."
Haha, makes sense! XD
Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Thank you so much Bets!! *receives them with a big smile and hurls them passionately*You're..."
Haha yes so true! It fits its pronunciation so well.
@Catherine, yeah I agree. Our pastor just had a sermon on Father’s Day where he was talking to the married men in church and he said even tho men are the leaders and wives are supposed to submit, you can’t just run over them. And he said that in Ephesians where it says that wives are supposed to submit to their husbands it also says husbands are supposed to love their wives as Christ loved the church. There has to be mutual love and submission
If anybody wants a view of the Palastine-Isreali conflict, I HIGHLY recommend this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEoVz...
Wow!!! Lots to read here! I didn't see the painting cuz I'm using the app (so I don't think I want to after reading how disgusting it is). I will say though that Trump is definitely the better of the two candidates and I would definitely choose him over Biden. Biden supports abortion, LGBTQ+, other radical agendas, and struggles to even speak sometimes. On the other hand Trump doesn't support abortion and LGBTQ+. Politics can be a very divisive subject; I'm not trying to divide here or start an argument: only pointing out why I would support Trump. But certainly none of these men are the answer to America's problems. As the Bible says government isn't what will save society — only God can. So we shouldn't be looking to any man (or woman) to save America from destruction, if you will. And while, voting is a right we should use to elect upright leaders to office, that's not what we should put our hope in. I think it's the Psalms that say something to the effect of "Trust not in princes or the arm of man for they will fail" (sorry if I misquoted). I think we need to come to the realization that America is under judgement from God; I mean think of all the perverse sins that have become "normal" today — abortion (or murder), homosexuality, pedophilia (some groups are trying to do away with the laws that make this a crime), and the list could go on. And these sins are so sickening to us... how much more so to a holy and righteous God? Every great civilization in the past (Rome, Greece, ect.) exhibited these same sins in their latter years — and what happened to them all? They all were either destroyed, plundered, or taken over by another nation. As demonstrated many times over, history repeats itself. America is now exhibiting the very same symptoms of Godlessness and rebellion that the other great civilizations of society did before they fell. Yes, God is slow to anger and is merciful but He can't let sin go unpunished. America is headed down a very dark path (and so is the rest of the world for that matter). But this should be no surprise to Christians because the Bible says that in the last days there will be violence and all the sins that I've mentioned — it will be just as in the days of Noah.... Ok. Sorry to be rambling but what I just wanted to bring out is that man isn't the answer, we need to be wrestling with God in prayer that He would be merciful and long-suffering. I'll end it here. I hope what I said is coherent. :-)
I love it Caleb! And yeah, like I said, of the two candidates Trump is the one I’d vote for.
@Bets Amen to that. Very true; I'm glad your pastor talked about that.@Alana For some reason it says the video is unavailable. Does that show up for anyone else?
@BooksNCrannies Oh, I didn't know your name was Caleb! That's a good name- is it alright if I call you Caleb instead of BooksNCrannies? XD
Haha, you're not missing out on anything by not seeing the picture XD Hm, personally, I'm very torn over Trump/Biden.
Very true! Those are such great points. I consider myself fairly patriotic, despite America's shortcomings, so reading that does make me quite sad :( I can't argue with any of that, though.
What you said was very coherent! Thank goodness that God is the one who is in control ❤
Well, I haven't been on this thread in a while lolYes, let's call that painting rubbish.
As for women pastors, my opinion is I'm good with it. I believe God calls both men and women to be pastors. (Although, ahem, not all pastors SHOULD be pastors). But, yeah, if I have a problem with someone being a pastor, it will have nothing to do with their gender.
@Elisabeth and @Catherine, I'm glad my writing was coherent and that it was easy to read!@Catherine, I'm fine if you call me Caleb. The only thing tho (I believe I pointed this out before to someone else) it might be confusing to other people who don't know my real name. But, hey, I'm certainly fine with you using my name!
Haha that was me you pointed it out to. lol. I used it without thinking.
Ok. I thought it was you! :-) That's fine that you used it tho!
@Bella Agreed about the rubbish!That's true, not all pastors should be pastors...what do you think about 1 Timothy 2:11-12 ("A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.")?
@Caleb Okay cool! Caleb is a lot shorter than BooksNCrannies, haha. Makes sense!
@Catherine--I'll have to think about that one. I always thought maybe it was just because of their culture at the time.Maybe I should do some research. (There's actually a book I'm planning on reading about that sort of thing, I'll have to see what I think of its arguments. And still do my own research of course).
But I feel that God does call some women to preach. And I don't think women should just submit to men and be silent. I don't think God really wants that. Because that's sexist.
@Bella, you're right. Women don't need to be silent or submit to men in the context of just everyday life. There are certain contexts, however, where God does command women to submit to men, most notably in the created order of marriage — the wife is to submit to her husband. God is definitely not sexist in setting this created order but rather assigning different roles to both genders. The New Testament teaches about men's and women's roles in both the home and the church. Ephesians 5:23 says: "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." This verse confirms that husbands are indeed heads over their wives. Does the Bible teach female inferiority? Absolutely not! God is just giving certain roles to men and women. The same with roles in the church. Consider these verses: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach" (1 Timothy 3:2; emphasis mine); and "Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well" (1 Timothy 3:12; emphasis mine). From these verses we can see that those (bishops [or pastors] and deacons) who expound or preach the Word to God's people are to be men, the husband of one wife. Some may reply that this phrasing can include women a well. This can't be the case, however, if one is applying good exegesis. Nor are these verses restricted by the time period in which they were written. The commands of the Bible aren't limited by their time period and still apply to this day. But if this were true (that the commands of God were restricted by time period), why can't we ignore other commands that "seem" outdated today, like not participating in homosexuality? The Holy Spirit inspired the apostles to record these commands — God could certainly foresee the future but nonetheless included this exhortation to His people. The Bible makes it quite clear that men are to preach the Word, not women. And again this isn't sexist or unfair to women but rather a reiteration and reinforcement of the created order of the two genders. Women have their own gifts and talents that they can use in the church.... Well, enough of my talking. Please understand that I say all these things in love and respect. Fellow believers should be able to discuss these things in a kind and loving manner and to share biblical insights with one another. I hope what I've said will challenge you to always search God's Word for the answer to these important questions.
I'm including some links for you, Bella, that I encourage you to read.
Here's a link to a PDF that I strongly encourage you to read. It is written by a former feminist who is now a Christian; in this article she addresses the issue of women preaching in the church from a biblical worldview and talks about her own struggles with Paul's seemingly restrictive attitude toward women. It will answer many of your questions about this topic a lot better than I could. The link's below. 👇🏼
https://assets.answersingenesis.org/d...
Here are some other links that relate to this topic. I hope these are helpful to you.
The Postmodern Influence of Feminism:
https://answersingenesis.org/family/g...
Inferior or Equal — The Biblical Role of Women:
https://answersingenesis.org/family/g...
Myth of Equality:
https://answersingenesis.org/culture/...
And here is a link to a page that features many different articles that address gender from a biblical perspective:
https://answersingenesis.org/family/g...
I hope these links are helpful to you!
In Christ,
BooksNCrannies
*ahem* To get this thread back to it's intended purpose of talking about current events, let me mention a current event. The first presidential debate of 2024 will take place this evening at 9:00 EST. Just thought I would let y'all know (if you didn't know already).
Thanks for informing us about that BNC! I heard there was going to be one, but I thought it wasn't for another day or two, not that I'm planning on watching it, though.
I'm honestly not planning on voting.
BooksNCrannies wrote: "@Bella, you're right. Women don't need to be silent or submit to men in the context of just everyday life. There are certain contexts, however, where God does command women to submit to men, most n..."Like I said, I need to do more research, but I firmly believe that it is fine for women to preach if that's what they're called to do, and I believe that you can be both a feminist and a Christian although I don't agree 100% with some secular feminists.
@Bella, my mom doesn't think she wants to vote either for various reasons and I certainly don't blame her. TBH, even tho I can vote I'm not sure if I want to yet. We'll see.
Yeah, this is the first presidential election since I turned 18, but I honestly don't plan on voting.
We never vote. Our background would say it's wrong. My dad doesn't think it's wrong he just decided he's not gonna. He's not even signed up to where he could vote at this point
I don't think it's wrong, I just don't feel like I want to lol. Besides, it's the Electorate Vote that counts.
@Elisabeth, it seems that over the years our family has taken the same position. My dad was the first to decide not to vote many years ago just because of the implications voting entails along with not wanting to participate in a government that's gotten to be more godless. Especially recently our family is stepping away from voting. That is why I haven't registered to vote even tho I legally can. I know people have many reasons for voting and that's fine but in the end government can't be the answer to everything. So, yeah, it's not wrong to vote but we as a family have come to the conclusion that's it's best if we don't for many reasons.
Everyone has to do what they believe God wants them to. I think it's important for every person to have a voice. I believe voting is one of the ways of having a voice, especially when there are candidates with such opposing views/records, such as saving babies vs killing babies. I pray for the USA and pray people stand up and speak up.
Someone shot former President Trump just a few minutes ago. I don't know yet how Trump is doing but just thought I would let you know so you can do some looking up on it.
Wait what?! Wow.... I would not have expected that to happen!
I don’t think he was actually shot, just shot at.
From what I read, his ear was shot.
Yes. He was shot it is thought somewhere in the side of the head. His staff reports that he is doing well and is expected to live. One person at the rally was killed and another is in critical condition. Law enforcement did shoot and kill the person who fired the shots.
Yeah I think it just grazed his ear
Or rather, hit his ear.
Unfortunately, some news agencies didn't report the full story at first. For instance CNN's headline simply read: "Secret Service Rush President Trump Off of Stage After He Collapses at Rally". They didn't even mention the shots. After receiving backlash, CNN did retract that headline.
If I am correctly guessing most of our ages, then this is the first assassination attempt on a president or former president in our lifetime. The last one was in 1981 (if I remember correctly) targeting President Reagan.
That’s crazy to think.
Yeah. I just think it's very sad that this happened. Also very sad is that one person in the crowd was killed (besides the shooter).
BooksNCrannies wrote: "If I am correctly guessing most of our ages, then this is the first assassination attempt on a president or former president in our lifetime. The last one was in 1981 (if I remember correctly) targ..."Yeah I’m guessing most of us are young enough that this is a first for us. Sharon said it reminds her of the shootings with Reagan, to me those are just a story in the history books. It’s sad to see how history repeats itself so much
I agree. Sadly, the evil acts of this world will always continue until Christ returns. I suppose this is something we can tell our children one day.
"It's time to put Trump in the bullseye." — Joe Biden on July 7, 2024
Yep. It seems crazy that this stuff will be in the history books of our children, just like we have events like 9-11 in our history books
BooksNCrannies wrote: ""It's time to put Trump in the bullseye." — Joe Biden on July 7, 2024"😵💫😵💫😔😔😔
Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "Yep. It seems crazy that this stuff will be in the history books of our children, just like we have events like 9-11 in our history books"Stuff like Covid. It’ll just be stories on a page to our kids and grandkids.
Unless Jesus decides to come back before then 😍😂
"Even so Lord Jesus come quickly." It's events like these that just make this quote more meaningful!
Elisabeth (Bets) wrote: "It’ll just be stories on a page to our kids and grandkids.Unless Jesus decides to come back before then"
BooksNCrannies wrote: ""Even so Lord Jesus come quickly."
It's events like these that just make this quote more meaningful!"
Amen
I'm praying for President Trump, and the family of Corey Comperatore, the brave retired fire chief who was murdered while protecting his family, blocking them from danger with his body, and praying for the woman who was also shot, as well as for all the perpetrators responsible to be brought to justice.
Really? I haven't listened to many of Danny Goke..."
That's interesting- I've never met anyone who belonged to a Mennonite or Amish community. Oh haha, I only wear my hair loose 😄 It's hard to catch me with my hair up.
Haha, that's happened to me pretty frequently, unfortunately. My memory isn't great when it comes to remembering specifics, so I've started to try and take notes on things that stick out to me during sermons.