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What really happened to the dinosaurs? And how come the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs? (A satirical discussion thread from deep inside the Underground mental asylum - DISCLAIMER: consult with your shrink before reading and post at your own risk!)
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Apr 07, 2015 03:56PM
James....every living creature has a soul....Dinosaurs might be in heaven too...why so negative
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Besides which..God created them...so he loved them....doesn't matter that Jesus wasn't around yet.
Catherine, methinks Morcan does jest. At least... I hope so!
Smart cookie Harry...Glad there are a few other jokers out there too.
Maybe it takes one to know one ;)
Fay wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Fay..I think you are misinformed...what makes us different from animals is the ability to reason...we try to solve problems rather than following instinct....like animals do. tha..."Fay,
Can I summarise your thinking? God created earth 6000 years ago (or was it 10? I honestly forget) during which we had Adam and Eve and all their descendants.
Now, if it is necessary to believe in Christ and only Christ to attain a place in heaven, then you're saying that all who came before Christ (of which there were 4000 years' worth in this scenario) - Moses, Abraham, the lot- were not given a place in heaven because they happened to come prior to Jesus and therefore couldn't believe in him. Or did God's rules change with the introduction of Christianity? Seems a bit unfair on all the Jews, to name one thing, when they were the ones that brought the Abrahamic god to the world, and when Jesus was a Jew himself.
And sorry, but I know for a fact that animals do have souls. See how versions of belief can be so adamantly opposed ( i.e- I know I'm right)?
Hey...I got the joke about the Big Freeze! I'm no fool...just saying that just because Jesus wasn't around doesn't mean they wouldn't be in heaven too
What about Jewish dinos?Surely they're not allowed into heaven?
;)
You make a good point there Harry :) which was my point also regarding the dinosaurs being in heaven or hell
James wrote: "What about Jewish dinos?Surely they're not allowed into heaven?
;)"
Why not James? The Jews believe in God...they're simply awaiting Jesus' return....as they don't believe he rose again on Easter Sunday
Fay wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Fay..I think you are misinformed...what makes us different from animals is the ability to reason...we try to solve problems rather than following instinct....like animals do. tha..."I cannot accept your "reasoning" Fay. Sorry, no offence intended. Why do you think your belief is right? We are talking about a subject that no-one can prove either way; hence the jokes here. We are all talking about personal beliefs which we have personally come to for whatever reason. One cannot see the human soul so what proof do you have that animals do not have souls? What is your interpretation of the human soul? Maybe that's where we differ. In you answer, please do not use belief, but reason or proof, if you can. I am not being narky. I just want to clear up in my own mind what I can't understand about your statement, so definitely put, that you are right!
Also the statement that humans use reason and animals use instinct. Humans use both reason and instinct. We have come to venerate our so called logical reason so much, we forget about our instincts. We use them every day but take them for granted and don't respect the ability as we should. Maybe animals can reason too?
Everybody should check out James' thread "U.S. Navy Research Project on intuition" if you haven't already. It is very interesting.
Laureen...the reason/instinct comment was mine....however....I didn't mean to imply that humans don't use instict as well.....just simply differentiate the fact that we use reasoning..yes...I agree we have instincts too..what we call intuitikn..I guess...I have bad instincts..lol....and I'm not always a good judge of character either...gets me in trouble a lot...because I trust people to easily..
Catherine wrote: "Laureen...the reason/instinct comment was mine....however....I didn't mean to imply that humans don't use instict as well.....just simply differentiate the fact that we use reasoning..yes...I agree..."Yes, I knew you used that phrase first but Fay was using it, I thought, as part of her argument. I am not a good judge of people either, Catherine. Sparkly blue eyes and a ready smile get me evert time! Lol. But I do get tingles up my mind with some people and the feeling I want to run away. That's the fight or flight reflex I guess. Now that's definitely something we share with animals.
Laureen wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Laureen...the reason/instinct comment was mine....however....I didn't mean to imply that humans don't use instict as well.....just simply differentiate the fact that we use reason..."I only get that if they'e really creepy! sometimes...their personalioty puts me off too...and that doesn't happen very often! all it takes is a smile...and dark hair and eyes...and I'm done for!!!
I'm a pretty accepting person on that respect...like I said..I work in an animal hospital..and we get some nasty animals in...but to tell you the truth...I would much rather work with them....because at least you know where you stand
James wrote: "Laureen, Kissinger is a dinosaur of a thinker.Harry, if dinos were winos then who were the stoners of that era?"
Oh, thanks James. I didn't know!
They are still here on earth. Crocodiles and whales are thought to be decendants of the dinosaurs. They have just adapted themselves to changes in climate and structure of the earth.Religion is man made. I became an Atheist after I read the bible word for word, page for page. It makes a great fiction book but is ridiculous to actually take seriously (I was 15 at the time as well). Muslims, Catholics, and Jewish people are constantly at war and yet their faith comes from exactly the same Abrahamic text. It is just written differently. Ancient empires had numerous gods and were very superstitious. Religion is just another way other way of explaining things we do not understand.
A soul is something you can't see so no one can prove whether that both humans and animal do or don't have one. I can accept people believing that animals have souls.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed....it always moves from one state (potential) to another (kinetic)...As for souls....and life spans...the soul is what is eternal...our physical bodies were not meant to live forever....but our souls were....
Dinosaurs do not exist today......they are a kingdom that died out.....we see species xie out and go extinct even today..why would you think that dinosaurs managed to live through evey apocolyptic scenario rhat the earth has experienced...
Dinosaurs died out....after the meteor hit the earth....the cloud and dust cover in the atmosphere caused the temperature to drop so drastically...causing what was the ice age to begin....Now...last time I checked....only certain bacteria can survive at such extreme temps (either hot or cold)
now the Great Flood occured..I agree...but it probably was due to snow/ice melt from the ice age....and not only that....there could have been many more than one Flood in the history of the earth.....6,000,000+ years is an awfully long time....
The bacteria that were able to use what little sunlight available to them, were able to begin forming more complex bodies.....any creature that may have lived might have started to emerge from the depths of the oceans....coming onto land....growing legs instead of fins, wings also...they also had to then adapt to life on land....replacing gills with lungs.....
Look at a fertilised egg....in the early stages of development....you see similarities to fish and frogs.....and yet....all creatures (both human and animal) are different
I agree there were probably multiple floods not just one
Krishna wrote: "I think by soul,.ancient people meant the life or electrical energy which runs us. in ancient texts it is written that a soul cannot be destroyed, and we know that energy can't also be destroyed."I am with you Krishna.
James wrote ""I agree there were probably multiple floods not just one"
Absolutely. However, I do believe that there was no historical world wide flood as told in Exodus. Maybe it was the Black Sea Deluge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Se...
Most likely not but localized catastrophic events do happen, and the flood myth is most likely based on a local disaster in the middle East.
I am surprised nobody has mentioned Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...
Though mostly discredited in his lifetime and beyond. the idea of catastrophic evolution has gained wide spread belief. Hence the demise of the poor Dino guys and I got back on topic!
why is it hard to believe a world wide catastrophic event? a worldwide flood is very believable...especially after a world wide ice age! I agree there were probably localised catastrophies...such as when Santorini (was it Santorini) exploded....it caused flooding in the Nile Delta and the Mediterranean and possibly through where the Suez Canal now runs into the Arabian Sea, and also up into he Black Sea...
Worldwide disasters lead to extinction events. Scientist have ID'ed 5 so far. http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/extinctio...
If a worldwide flood happened, how did the human race survive. The Bible and Gilgamesh Epics are about the same when it comes to the flood.
See this: http://www.historywiz.com/flood.htm
So if Noah and his family were the only survivors BUT then good old Utnapishtim gets the word from a Sumerian God named Ea who warns him with to save himself, his family and the seed of all living things (Plants, sperm, female eggs??, what). So how do you reconcile that 2 families lived? Of course, you have to consider the Mesoamerican flood stories.
A bunch of stories from Mexico link below concerning a flood.
http://genesis.uag.mx/posgrado/revist...
I think it proves there were brutal floods that wiped out settlements and peoples in ancient days. The survivors told of the great flood that killed all. They didn't travel more then 50 miles from their homes unless flood, fire, famine or drought forced them to. Local flooding will to that to you.
I finally think the flood epic was so dominate in the Middle East because of the Minoan eruption
Wiki does a decent job on it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_e...
I do not believe that there was a universal flood that covered all the earth. We have no geological evidence showing that. We have found no evidence of mass fossils of humans before the flood. Should we not have discovered them?
We do have geological evidence showing the last great extinction; see this
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/educatio...
who said the worldwide foods occured when there were humans around? I simply said that it was possible. true...ancient people didn't travel more than 50-100 miles from their homes...or f they did...it was in pursuit of a food source...as for surviving a worldwide flood...well..flooding doesn't necessarily mean ocean-deep water...people could have built houses upwards...like I've seen first hand in Cambodia....an entire village lives on stilts! animals and gardens included....they use canoes or small motor boats to get from house to land...even the hospital in on stilts...the village survives whether the water is high or not....
I realise motor boats wouldn't have been available,...but canoes or row boats would have been.
I am sorry to say this guys but this discussion is not making any sense at all to me. I understand the biblical story says that all the land was covered in water including the mountains. That was why Noah had to take 2 of each species on board the Ark so that they would survive. No mention of other families or even how impossible a task that would be. Miracles do happen, but that is one hell of a Miracle.I firmly believe that the story was a wise man's teaching in the form of a parable which was told with the message conveyed being that we must trust our God given instincts and intuition when making a decision always keeping in mind the outcome should be to the benefit of mankind and the animals and any hardship that we experience in following our inner intuition or conscience should be done with love and not complaint. Noah was given an impossible task which he fulfilled with love. That was the purpose of the story, in MHO.
Laureen wrote: "I am sorry to say this guys but this discussion is not making any sense at all to me. I understand the biblical story says that all the land was covered in water including the mountains. That was..."That could also be...parables were used to teach the people life's lessons. however....there is some truth to this one...because there was flooding at some point in the earth's history.
Oh Krishna, I have no doubt that there was a great flood just not one that covered the entire world.
Yes, the whole known world. Exactly.
If only those poor dinos had learnt to swim ...they would still be around today instead of drowning in the flood(s)
The Sphinx has been proven (I had thought) to not be weather damaged as once thought, but actually due to water erosion from being submerged- geologically dating a great flood circa 10,500 B.C (which coincided with great astrological alignments, just as we're presently going through).Whether it covered the whole earth is doubtful- stories have a habit of becoming Big Fish like- but it seems certain that there was one- not forgetting all the different unconnected cultures around the world had references to such a flood.
It also comes into "Atlantis etal." theories, for it's more than likely that highly sophisticated beings once inhabited this earth before our accepted history. There's probably an absolute plethora of ancient civilisations below the sea bed.
And then of course there's continental drift, pole changing and dozens of other factors that could be looked at with regards to how a great flood could have coincided with such things. I mean, even by just looking at a map, it looks as though the continents could kind of fit together in one land mass.
How do we explain all the evidence for crossings to undiscovered America in ancient times and so on? Pretty damn easily if the land was once one and the 'Flood' helped rip it all apart.
I love it when you "have a thought" Harry. This one, as do most, made a lot of sense to me.
Laureen wrote: "I love it when you "have a thought" Harry. This one, as do most, made a lot of sense to me."I know nobody else finds this funny, but I just keep thinking of those poor dinos drowning in all these different floods and wishing somebody had taught them to swim... :)
The other thing that makes me laugh is thinking of how some dinos were meat eaters and others (most I think) were vegetarians. And how if any humans were on the planet at the same time as the dinos, the people would have had to work out "is this one a meat eater or vegetarian" in order to see if they are safe or not...
Thanks Laureen.And thanks James- I now have visions of dinos wearing waterwings.
Harry wrote: "Thanks Laureen.And thanks James- I now have visions of dinos wearing waterwings."
Ha!
Baby T-Rex in waterwing floaties in the pool as his proud parents look on as the baby learns how to swim in preparation for future floods.
But seriously, how could floods have wiped out dinos when they probably could swim naturally like most animals can. And weren't some dinos underwater creatures?
No, dinos weren't underwater creatures. I don't think any could swim.The flood didn't wipe them out- they lived a lot longer than 12,000 years ago, as we (nearly) all know. :)
Harry wrote: "No, dinos weren't underwater creatures. I don't think any could swim.The flood didn't wipe them out- they lived a lot longer than 12,000 years ago, as we (nearly) all know. :)"
Actually, I think we all know that in this group, just some won't admit it to themselves ;)
How does anyone know dinos couldn't swim when all we have is fossils?
You're saying even some of the smaller lizard like dinos couldn't swim?
And if crocodiles descend from a certain species of dino, it seems like that dino must've been able to swim?
Also, I thought some members in this discussion thread were implying there were various floods that occurred (not just the more recent Biblical flood) and that one of thee floods might've wiped out the dinos.
Elephants can swim though and they are bigger than some dinos were.I found this regarding sizes:
The smallest dinosaurs yet discovered are: A new, crow-sized theropod, Microraptor was recently found in China. It is about 16 inches (40 cm long) and may be an adult. Compsognathus, a theropod (meat-eater) 2 feet (60 cm) long, from 145 million years ago.
Krishna wrote: "big dinos? and a flood cannot swipe out all the dinos. what about flying dinos then?"they cannot fly non-stop - even birds have to come down into the trees and feed on the land, right? so if all the trees were suddenly underwater, no more birds I'd assume?
The last dinosaurs went out of existence around 65 million years ago. We are talking about a flood between 5-15 thousand years ago. Noah's flood has nothing to do with the extinction of the dinosaurs. Most likely Noah's flood is mainly myth.
James Morcan wrote: "Harry wrote: "No, dinos weren't underwater creatures. I don't think any could swim.The flood didn't wipe them out- they lived a lot longer than 12,000 years ago, as we (nearly) all know. :)"
Act..."
While you guys indirectly talk about me... cough cough lol. No, it's okay, I'm just sticking with what I know for sure.
James Morcan wrote: "Krishna wrote: "big dinos? and a flood cannot swipe out all the dinos. what about flying dinos then?"they cannot fly non-stop - even birds have to come down into the trees and feed on the land, r..."
They came to the ark too. I mean, they flew around a bit but landed on the ark when they got tired.
I have been having a look at theories of how the Mammoths became extinct and the consensus appears to be either climate change or people.As I don't believe people were around when Dinos were about I think climate change makes the most sense. I don't know the sequence of the 'ages' so someone here might be able to help. One theory about the mammoths was that they began to decrease rapidly towards the end of the ice age. Perhaps the dinosaurs found the beginning of the ice age depleted their food line? or was the ice age later than when Dinos were around?
This is an excellent overview of what science currently thinks:http://www.bbc.com/earth/bespoke/stor...
Some theories on Mammoth Extinction
http://news.discovery.com/animals/end...
Notice the difference in dates
Fay wrote: "They came to the ark too. I mean, they flew around a bit but landed on the ark when they got tired. ..."
Such a vivid description :)
No humans were around with the dinos? what about Neanerthal and Cro-magnon man?
Harry wrote: "The Sphinx has been proven (I had thought) to not be weather damaged as once thought, but actually due to water erosion from being submerged- geologically dating a great flood circa 10,500 B.C (whi..."Well..yes Harry...at some point in earth's history....all the continents were joined in one great land mass.
Catherine wrote: "No humans were around with the dinos? what about Neanerthal and Cro-magnon man?"No, science says there are tens of millions of years between the two: i.e. earliest humans, including Neanderthal and Cro-magnon man arrived only a few million years ago whereas the dinos were apparently extinct 65 million years ago.
At least that's the consensus in the scientific community at present.
In saying that, they do keep finding older and older human remains...
Ok....soI am here to apologise to one and all...I wrote something a couple days ago that was meant to be taken in humour. some of you read between the lines for some hidden agenda that wasn't there....silly me for forgetting that everything here is viewed as a conspiracy. That being said....I am sorry to have caused any problems to James...It was not my intention..
Let it go Catherine - it's not important.Now getting back on topic, could humans really be 65 million years old to have lived when the dinos were still alive?
Anything is possible...it is hard to imagine because we have no clue..except for what we find through science and history....one can only imagine how life could have existed
I agree Dave - humans only seen to have been around maximum a few million years ago but not 65 million.
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