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What really happened to the dinosaurs? And how come the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs? (A satirical discussion thread from deep inside the Underground mental asylum - DISCLAIMER: consult with your shrink before reading and post at your own risk!)
And no comments from anyone about the fantastic vid. link I sent? Uh huh.
All you need is reading the comments it has got below then you'll realize the video is nothing but bull crap..
Fay wrote: "And no comments from anyone about the fantastic vid. link I sent? Uh huh."
Sorry Fay- I gave that video five minutes and could take no more! But that's just me. :)
Fay wrote: "And no comments from anyone about the fantastic vid. link I sent? Uh huh."
I had assumed you added that video for comedic reasons...
Some fundamentalist Christian zealot trying to use "science" to convince us dino fossils are only a few thousand years old is hilarious to me ;)
sayori wrote: "am I the only one who can't access the video??"Really Krish? Darn it, and I had wanted you to watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVuVY...
Alright you guys, here we go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzXN...
3 Minutes. You can take 3 minutes out of your lives to watch this absolutely fantastic video. The first minute is just kind of talking and you do have to ignore the random static bursts but the rest is wonderful. This is science.
Also, this video by the same person is very good. Just eight minutes people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXM7-...
Fay wrote: "Alright you guys, here we go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzXN...
3 Minutes. You can take 3 minutes out of your lives to watch this absolutely fantastic video. The first minute is just kin..."
Yep, I took the time. Maybe you could take the time to read the contrary viewpoint. :)
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonr...
It begins: "One of the common arguments made in support of young-Earth creationism is that the dynamic age of the Earth-moon system (as determined by the physics of the Earth-moon tidal interaction) is too young to support a multi-billion year age for the system. In this article I will (a) review the basic physics of gravity and tides, (b) review the history of theoretical models for Earth-moon tides, (c) review the paleontological evidence relevant to the history of the Earth-moon system, and (d) demonstrate that the combination of theory and observation refute the young-Earth creationist arguments, with reference to specific young-Earth arguments and their specific failures. This is intended as a review for readers not versed in physics and math, so the arguments are presented as non-technically as possible."
Cheers.
sayori wrote: "have a look at this Fay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bOma...
and this also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFPTi..."
What I got out of the first video- The earth changes.
For the second video- How did they know that the soil was 3 billion years old?
sayori wrote: "I wish I had the answers.... really! most of the videos in YouTube r regarding young earth only!!"Alright.
Harry wrote: "Fay wrote: "Alright you guys, here we go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzXN...
3 Minutes. You can take 3 minutes out of your lives to watch this absolutely fantastic video. The first minute..."
Sorry Harry but I got about through half of the page and got tired. I'm quite sorry but I don't fancy reading for long spouts of time on a bright white screen.
sayori wrote: "huh! http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/0..."
1. That worker shouldn't have been fired!!!
2. That is awesome evidence for dinosaurs roaming around recently!!! That's fantastic.
Prehistoric animals still exist on earth, swim in our seas (some of'em are 200-300 million years old), so I believe it's not a great wonder if dinos were there 4000 years ago hidden in some remote place /places on earth. No big deal at all !
Janith wrote: "Prehistoric animals still exist on earth, swim in our seas (some of'em are 200-300 million years old), so I believe it's not a great wonder if dinos were there 4000 years ago hidden in some remote place /places on earth. No big deal at all ! ..."Yeah, but there's a big difference between believing that there could be Loch Ness-style dinos still living on earth or at least living as recently as 4,000 years ago, and believing that the dinos and the Earth are ONLY 4,000 years old in total.
That Christian guy in that article, the "scientist", got fired from his position as he was trying to prove his fundamentalist belief that the dinos are only a few thousand years old and that's the entire sum of history instead of the billions of years science almost universally (as in 99.999999999% of scientists) believes the Earth/Universe to be.
But dayum, is there any way this dino thread is gonna get off the subject of Christian fundamentalism?
I feel like we have been hijacked by some nightmare extremists from the Bible Belt or else the Amish...and I'm wondering when the "conversion" attempts will begin...
I know this is a satirical discussion thread, but man it's gettin' to be like a broken record.
So is there any possible way we can get off the Bible and instead return to the question of what happened to the dinosaurs 65 million years ago?
For anyone hellbent on discussing Christianity in every single post, there is a section in this group called Forbidden History of the Bible: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group...
sayori wrote: "James, this is not about Christianity or Bible...... here we r discussing about a theory called young earth theory which some people nowadays r trying to prove.... the source never matters, only the content matters if there is some logic behind it..."Okay, why doesn't someone start a Young Earth theory aka "the world started with Adam & Eve 4,000 years ago" discussion thread then?
I wanna know about dinos! :)
sayori wrote: "here dinos r also coming right? for knowing about what happened to them, first we will have to know how old they r and before that we will have to know how old earth is. these r all interlinked."I realize that, but the thing is the only people trying to prove the Young Earth theory are Biblical literalists who add up all the ages of those in the Bible...how very scientific!
So I say if we discuss this theory for like 900 posts, then the Flat Earth theory should be discussed with equal earnestness for eternity...And therefore, is the Earth really flat and did the dinos simply fall off the edge? ;)
Harry wrote: "Fay, if you won't listen to science, maybe you could try to at least comprehend that out of 1.8 billion Christians in the world, only 13% are Evangelical- and fewer than that which will hold your beliefs that you've mentioned.It's not just scientists and average folk that will dispute your claims, it's the vast majority of your religion as well. ..."
Yeah, Christiniaty moved on long ago from these beliefs, but some cultish groups and fringe Christian movements still maintain that the Earth/Universe were created not long before Jesus walked the Earth...
sayori wrote: "James, I am not a Christian..... So I am not seeing this theory from any religious angle. I want to believe that earth is 4.5 billion years old but Fay has posted some videos which can't be ignored..."Okay, you win.
I give up.
I can see resistance is futile.
So as you can see, I have renamed this entire discussion thread...I hope you like the new title :)
sayori wrote: "James, don't joke about it. have u seen the video about carbon dating? what about that? the things that person is saying is not baseless. ..."Yes, I thought it was a comedic video? Are you saying that video was actually meant to be taken seriously?
sayori wrote: "I don't know...... but to me, that video made sense.... can u say why that video seemed comical to u?"Oh, I don't know what made me laugh...maybe it was the comments like "irrefutable proof the Earth is only 6,000 years old" and "this proves the Bible is always correct" etc, etc.
None of these so-called scientists or investigators are unbiased or objective. They are representatives of that narrow Christian fringe group of believers (which Harry rightly point out make up only about 2% of mainstream Christianity) who refuse to believe that the Bible is not 100% accurate scientifically and historically. So they have to try to find more and more creative ways to fit their "God-inspired" ultimate truth. And they won't ever listen to scientific reason as to keep an open mind and consider what science is saying would be going against the "Word of God", from their perspective (which reminds me of someone else I know...).
So just watching and listening to such claptrap makes me laugh. Either that or it puts me to sleep.
But that's not to say there can't be shreds of truth in any argument. For example, carbon dating is commonly acknowledged as not being the most accurate science - and that video mentions that. However, if science is incorrect in its estimates of how old the Earth is it's likely to be about only 5% out. So maybe the Earth could be 4 billion instead of 4.5 ...
But to go from 4,500,000,000 years old to only 4,000 years old is way too big of a stretch. The oldest races in human civilization, like the Aborigines here in Australia, go back tens or hundreds of thousands of years, not to mention the Earth being far older and the Universe being far older again.
Fortunately, at least 95% of Christians believe that the Biblical references to the Lord creating the Earth in only 7 days and the ages of Adam & Eve and their descendants are more ambiguous or metaphorical and are not necessarily to be taken literally.
The Big Bang, Dinosaurs, & Jesus: Essays on the Evolution of Christianity
There Are No Dinosaurs In The Bible: An Astronomer Talks About Religion And Fundamentalism
I seem to remember I posted a link to an academic paper for the layman that explained in vast detail the nature of the the recession of the moon, but apparently people didn't wanna take the time to read it. :)Sure, go with the 5 minute video which gives no proof, let alone irrefutable proof, in which it simply gets facts wrong.
("Who do you wanna do your heart surgery? This guy over here who studied at the greatest university and has worked in the field for decades, or this student who's just read the Ladybird Book to Surgery?")
Yeahh, think I might be done on this whole topic now! :) There are more New World Order type invasions happening under our noses by the 1% who rule- I kinda think that takes my preference.
Not that I'm saying I won't post the odd dino joke as and when of course........
Hahaha this thread is freaking awesome !! :D
sayori wrote: "James, I am not a Christian..... So I am not seeing this theory from any religious angle. I want to believe that earth is 4.5 billion years old but Fay has posted some videos which can't be ignored..."1. Krish, were you finally able to watch the video with Kent Hovind about faulty carbon dating? (Also, thanks for watching the videos. I thought that they were fantastic also.)
2. Yes, I believe that the universe is also 6000 years old. Lets just say that I believe that the earth and the entire universe has been in existence for about 6000 years.
3. The Bible DOES include a brief reference to dinosaurs, Krishna. Read Job 40 AND Job 41, please.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
James wrote: "sayori wrote: "I don't know...... but to me, that video made sense.... can u say why that video seemed comical to u?"Oh, I don't know what made me laugh...maybe it was the comments like "irrefuta..."
Actually, um... everything was made in 6 days... God rested on the 7th day. Not to nitpick but or anything but yeahhhh... ;)
Nice job re-naming the thread, but the Bible does include evidence of dinos *cough cough Job*. Sigh. Also, where is Lance????? Why has he not been joining us in this madness??? I'm curious.
Fay wrote: "Nice job re-naming the thread, but the Bible does include evidence of dinos *cough cough Job*. Sigh. Also, where is Lance????? Why has he not been joining us in this madness??? I'm curious."
He's here...watching and learning. Well, watching at least...
Fay wrote: "Nice job re-naming the thread, but the Bible does include evidence of dinos *cough cough Job*. Sigh. Also, where is Lance????? Why has he not been joining us in this madness??? I'm curious."
P.S. I guessed you were curious when I read your 6000 years philosophy.
Lance Morcan wrote: "Fay wrote: "Nice job re-naming the thread, but the Bible does include evidence of dinos *cough cough Job*. Sigh. Also, where is Lance????? Why has he not been joining us in this madness??? I'm cu..."
Lance! Haha, maybe.
Fay wrote: "Lance Morcan wrote: "Fay wrote: "Nice job re-naming the thread, but the Bible does include evidence of dinos *cough cough Job*. Sigh. Also, where is Lance????? Why has he not been joining us in t..."
Truth be known I'm having to re-evaluate my beliefs and priorities since learning Mother Earth is only 6000yrs old. Hence my silence of late. However, I'll be back...
Yeah, O.K- we all knew I wasn't gonna keep my big wolf mouth shut.Behemoth is a dinosaur eh, Fay? What I liked most in that passage from Job was: "(Behemoth) ranks first among the works of God."
Harry wrote: "Yeah, O.K- we all knew I wasn't gonna keep my big wolf mouth shut.Behemoth is a dinosaur eh, Fay? What I liked most in that passage from Job was: "(Behemoth) ranks first among the works of God.""
Yeah, the supposed dinos vaguely/ambiguously/briefly mentioned in the Bible are dubious at best. And even if they are actually referencing dinos, which is a very big IF, it still begs the question why are they not mentioned anywhere else? I mean other wildlife, plantlife and even insects are mentioned in intricate detail in various parts of the Bible - why not specify these big creatures who would have been terrorizing men? Surely dinos couldn't be that good at hiding all the time?
Call me crazy, but the other alternative is to consider dinos came long before man as science says...
James wrote: "Harry wrote: "Yeah, O.K- we all knew I wasn't gonna keep my big wolf mouth shut.Behemoth is a dinosaur eh, Fay? What I liked most in that passage from Job was: "(Behemoth) ranks first among the w..."
Because there were more important things to discuss rather than the diet of an herbivorous gigantic lizard and how many times it used the restroom a day. :)
Fay wrote: "Because there were more important things to discuss rather than the diet of an herbivorous gigantic lizard and how many times it used the restroom a day. :) ..."Like discussing insects you mean, Fay?
Various insects mentioned in the Bible, not to mention thousands of other animals - take a look at this list on Wikipedia of all the animals mentioned in the Bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...
But for some reason the poor dinos don't get a mention...dayum, those collosal creatures just couldn't get any "airtime" with the authors of the Bible who apparently co-existed with the dinos ;)
I admire you for continuing to try to attempt to fit a square peg into a round hole and somehow create "logic" out of an illogical and outdated faith system (i.e. Christian Fundamentalism)...It's highly entertaining to me :)
James wrote: "Fay wrote: "Because there were more important things to discuss rather than the diet of an herbivorous gigantic lizard and how many times it used the restroom a day. :) ..."Like discussing insect..."
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/t...
Fay wrote: "James wrote: "Fay wrote: "Because there were more important things to discuss rather than the diet of an herbivorous gigantic lizard and how many times it used the restroom a day. :) ..."Like dis..."
Fay – I Googled “Why doesn’t the Bible mention dinosaurs?” The GodAndScience.org website confirms what most of our fellow Undergrounders believe – that dinos and humans did not coexist. (Whew that came as a relief as you were beginning to turn me)! It states: “All remaining dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago by a huge asteroid that impacted near the Yucatan Peninsula.”
As for why dinos aren’t mentioned in the Bible, the same site states: “The question, ‘Why would God leave out a description of the dinosaurs?’ is a bad one to begin with. A more appropriate question should be ‘What would God want to relate to man about His description of the creation?’ “
Interestingly, the site does concede “Many who have studied the Bible believe that it does mention dinosaurs in the text. Specifically, Genesis 1:21 says that God created "great sea monsters" on the fifth day. The Hebrew word tannîyn, can have several meanings, including "dragon," "serpent," "sea monster," or "venomous snake”.”
Source: http://godandscience.org/apologetics/...
Dayum! It appears I’ve gone and muddied the waters again…
Lance Morcan wrote: "Fay wrote: "James wrote: "Fay wrote: "Because there were more important things to discuss rather than the diet of an herbivorous gigantic lizard and how many times it used the restroom a day. :) ....."Hmmmm...
Still have to keep going, we're not to #1000 yet...I am determined.
Fay wrote: "Still have to keep going, we're not to #1000 yet...I am determined."
NEVER NEVER NEVER ;)
p.s. this book is nothing to do with dinos, but I like the title anyway:
Eating the Dinosaur
James Morcan wrote: "Fay wrote: "Still have to keep going, we're not to #1000 yet...I am determined."
NEVER NEVER NEVER ;)
p.s. this book is nothing to do with dinos, but I like the title anyway:
[book:Eating the D..."
Yeah, such a pleasant title.
Anyone ever heard the bizarre theory that humans evolved from dinosaurs? I don't buy it, but just putting it out there anyway...
sayori wrote: "that's the theory of evolution right?"Is it? I mean, that we specifically come from dinos themselves...tho, in hindsight, I guess you're right, as scientists believe we come from fish originally? I forget :)
"You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals,So let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel."
James Morcan wrote: "Anyone ever heard the bizarre theory that humans evolved from dinosaurs? I don't buy it, but just putting it out there anyway..."I don't buy it either but I mean, I'm Fay, of course I don't buy it. ;P
Maybe this dino-human evolutionary subplot storyline is the truth behind the Reptilian claims of conspiracy theorists. Hell, maybe James Morcan's just a giant shapeshifting dino-lizard!
I plead guilty, your honor.
James Morcan wrote: "I plead guilty, your honor."I knew it...
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I'm just saying that the Bible is God-breathed, inspired by God.
That's all.