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Nirkatze wrote: "Ah Hitch! That's what I was thinking of, thanks!Read #3.5 Magic Mourns--and rather enjoyed it--nice to see Andrea! [spoilers removed]"
I thought of you while reading that scene last night. Was wondering if that kind of convo would pass the consent test lol
Tonari no Emily wrote: "#4 Mid Chapter 7 Gods-damnit..."In #4 Magic Bleeds--same spot--(view spoiler)
I'm enjoying the worldbuilding--took a while for it to sink in, but I like the little bits of "the magic came on" or "the technology came back"
Just finished Magic Mourns. Nothing really to add. Will start Magic Bleeds tomorrow.
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Finished Magic Strikes.I always felt that the (view spoiler) storyline came a bit out of nowhere and felt the story was one of the more boring ones. Somehow on this re-read though, I was way more into it and decided to raise it from 4 stars to 5. There are some really great moments in this book. Both funny and emotional. As well as a big start to the overarching storyline.
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Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
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Started Magic Bleeds!
That comment about knowing the thickness of the door lol.
Audiobook pet peeve. If you don’t know how to pronounce something in a book you are narrating, please look it up. Don’t just wing it. It’s go-lem. Not goy-lem. The word is used like 50 times in chapter 19 and listening to the narrator mispronounce it has become like nails on a chalkboard.
Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Audiobook pet peeve. If you don’t know how to pronounce something in a book you are narrating, please look it up. Don’t just wing it. It’s go-lem. Not goy-lem. The word is used like 50 times in cha..."Oh gods, I hear you! Some of the more horrendous mispronunciations will stay with me for a long time... I keep thinking of how in ALL of the Rick Riordan Heroes of Olympus books Gaea is pronounced "Jee-ah" ugh.
Sometimes it is just as annoying to look up the word and realize they are pronouncing something correctly, just not the way it's pronounced on my coast... What was that word in all of the Joe Abercrombie books? It made me realize just how often the word was used, but I can't for the life of me remember it now...
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I dunno if it's a recognized pronunciation, but I feel like that was done because these are Jewish golems, and goy is a jewish word?...
Timelord Iain wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Audiobook pet peeve. If you don’t know how to pronounce something in a book you are narrating, please look it up. Don’t just wing it. It’s go-lem. Not goy-lem. The word i..."I’m Jewish. I’ve never heard it pronounce Goy-lem before. The synagogue in Prague where Golem were first “created” even pronounces them golem. Goy is a word used for a non Jew. It’s not the creation of Jewish rabbis. I can say with 99% certainty that the narrator is wrong 🙃
Well in Czech we say Go-lem. It's enough to just open wiki to see the pronunciation... Even Google translator reads it right. Also I feel you, Nirkatze, with the right pronunciations being different from what you know. I was confused when she pronounced gyros as euros lol. I was like wth are they eating.
Marie wrote: "Well in Czech we say Go-lem. It's enough to just open wiki to see the pronunciation... Even Google translator reads it right. Also I feel you, Nirkatze, with the right pronunciations being differ..."
Go-lem is the right way and only way I’ve ever heard it until this book. Considering they originated in Prague I’m pretty sure the Czech would know what they’re talking about 😂 I thought books had someone editing the narrator usually. When I hear things pronounced wrong or differently in audiobooks I usually just pass on it as whatever. But when it’s 50+ times in one book, like this one is, it starts grating on me.
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Yea I know... I'm not saying it was the right thing... it might even be racist/antisemitic to think that's the right way to pronounce it...
Then again, I hear all sorts of weird audiobook pronunciations sometimes...
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It almost sounds like a cross between gargoyle and golem...
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Luckily, I got Charlie & Diana along for the ride :D
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https://yiddishkayt.org/der-goylem/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gol...
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/com...
https://bulbagarden.net/threads/how-d...
Timelord Iain wrote: "The way my month has been going, I haven't been commenting/cheerleading as much as I expected to, in this thread, when I set it up...Luckily, I got Charlie & Diana along for the ride :D"
I love this series so much I’m very happy to cheerlead it lol
Timelord Iain wrote: "More google, and it says goylem is one of 3 valid pronunciations... altho like 95% of people prefer golem the way we expect, from a pokemon pronunciation poll...https://yiddishkayt.org/der-goylem..."
Never heard it be goylem before. This is a hill I’m obviously ready to die on lol
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https://www.reddit.com/r/linguisticsh...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English...
Seems to me the Goylem version often appears as Der Goylem so it's probably German oriented pronunciation. Comparing it on Google Translate the y sound is more subtle in German than in English. Might have just been some linguistic effort of adding the y to approximate the perceived pronunciation and over time people started reading it as full y instead.In German alphabet Y is read as oopsilohn. So the aim might have been for the oo sound? But who knows...
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But if the word is made up, you can accept almost any pronunciation, as long as it's consistent...
Wandering in has these Antinium with names like:
Klbkch (Killgitch on audio)
Ksmvr (Kissemver)
Xrn (Xern/Zern)
Imperial Radch is constantly referring to the vowel-heavy emperor Anaander Mianaai (audio seems to add a T in Miaatnaai the ways it's pronounced)
Timelord Iain wrote: "Language is a very interesting thing... we get very possessive of our preferred pronunciations...But if the word is made up, you can accept almost any pronunciation, as long as it's consistent......"
Names are different. Until the audiobook made pronunciation there are a billion people pronouncing Jasnah in different ways. But this is a word that has been used for centuries with a generally accepted pronunciation. If a word has been used for a few decades and an only pronounced a certain way I’m inclined to say that’s the correct way to say it.
You are really going to watch me die on this hill, huh? 😂😂 I’m like a dog with a bone here.
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Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Strikes.I always felt that the [spoilers removed] s..."
I really enjoyed the ending too (view spoiler)
Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
First time Curran is
I thought it was interesting that (view spoiler)
@Diana @Iain I'm enjoying your discussing on language, I'm just over here with my popcorn :D.
Charlie wrote: "Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
First time Curran is
I thought it was interesting that [spoilers removed]"
I was wondering that too
Charlie wrote: "@Diana @Iain I'm enjoying your discussing on language, I'm just over here with my popcorn :D."I was afraid my rant was going to be seen as deranged. But I’m happy it’s entertaining as well 😂
Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Charlie wrote: "Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
First time Curran is
I thought it was interesting that [spoilers removed]"
I was wo..."
Idk if it ever gets explained how she knew. (Whole series vague spoilers follows.) (view spoiler)
I feel like I am not talking about the awesomeness of book four because there are just so many moments idk what to talk about first lol. For me it's when I fell in love with the series. Such high stakes. Very funny too. 61% (view spoiler)
Marie wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Charlie wrote: "Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
First time Curran is
I thought it was interesting that [s..."
I think it’s a discrepancy between Magic Mourns and Bleeds. (view spoiler)
Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Marie wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Charlie wrote: "Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
First time Curran is
I thought it was inter..."
I think there was bit more to it. (view spoiler)
Marie wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Marie wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Charlie wrote: "Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
First time Curran..."
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@Diana when you put it like that, yes it seems very out of character!
Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Marie wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Marie wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "Charlie wrote: "Marie wrote: "Finished Magic Mourns.I like that the novellas are very tied to the main books.
Fir..."
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I'm going to assume she sensed it, that she wouldn't put his life in danger so carelessly.
Timelord Iain wrote: "I can't think of specific examples right now, but I've been jarred by a handful of words on audio over the years, where the narrator chose a less-used or regional pronunciation... and one time I wa..."forte: fort vs for-tay for me :D
Diana Stormblessed wrote: "You are really going to watch me die on this hill, huh? 😂😂 I’m like a dog with a bone here."I'll join you on that hill, Diana... there are some ways words should just not be pronounced, no matter what the internet says...
Remembered the Joe Abercrombie word. Grimace. Said as GrimACE. Through the whole series. Damn but he used that word a lot.
Nirkatze wrote: "Diana Stormblessed wrote: "You are really going to watch me die on this hill, huh? 😂😂 I’m like a dog with a bone here."I'll join you on that hill, Diana... there are some ways words should just n..."
😂 I don’t remember that with Abercrombie but that would bug me
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