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[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dream, like I said before, being a toxic person and then having negative traits like being whiny, annoying, idiotic, the list goes on, are totally different things. She DOES do stupid, annoying things and has a long way to go, but after those first 1-2 ch she doesn't do anything TOXIC. If that's your standard for toxicity then do you have any idea how many characters across multiple books we'd call toxic? It does NOT FIT. And I agreed with you that she's toxic, however as the story progresses you can SEE the improvement and if we all did what you're saying, continue viewing a character based off our INITIAL impression then character arcs would NEVER WORK. You CANNOT hold a character to a first scene where you have no context or understanding of what's going on.

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Being whiny, yelling(at Eiser is justifiable to be honest, he's way worse than her), being bitchy and other smaller moments in itself aren't signs of toxic behaviour, but if you combine them she wasn't the best of a person (reasonable) in the earlier chapters. She doesn't just stop being toxic after chapter 2 just because she didn't do anything as bad as what she did back then+ as I said those things still happened. And the author SHOWED it to us

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

I never denied any development, but she doesn't just stop being toxic after the first 2 chapters. Her development is slow not spontaneous and she slowly fixes herself up and matures

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Being whiny, yelling(at Eiser is justifiable to be honest, he's way worse than her), being bitchy and other smaller moments in itself aren't signs of toxic behaviour, but if you combine them she wa..."

EXACTLY, they 'aren't signs of toxic behaviour' so you CANNOT call her toxic after the first 1-2 chapters because that is INCORRECT. I never disagreed that she has many flaws but toxicity is NOT one of THEM

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "I never denied any development, but she doesn't just stop being toxic after the first 2 chapters. Her development is slow not spontaneous and she slowly fixes herself up and matures"

Like I said Dream, give me an example then

[All Might]

❝Okay, Okay! Can someone catch me up?❞

[✦Artemis✦]

lol me to

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Plus given Fredrick's and the servent's reaction, that wasn't a one time thing—it was recurring, just another Tuesday for them. The author didn't show us her doing it on-screen but there's a high chance she did still caused damage & yell at servents or something like that at the very least when Eiser wasn't here(that is, before any major change like her managing the hotel buisness came up)

[Jose]

Yeahh, what’s going on??

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Change takes time, even for a character as complex as Serena.

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Plus given Fredrick's and the servent's reaction, that wasn't a one time thing—it was recurring, just another Tuesday for them. The author didn't show us her doing it on-screen but there's a high c..."

YES but if you remember, that toxicity was a reaction to EISER, who was the actual toxic person in that situation and the servants themselves said it's because he's coming back. Even Frederick had only nice things to say about her apart from those moments

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Basically there's a webtoon called Serena and Dream thinks that the fmc is a toxic character for a long period of the webtoon but really, we only see her being toxic in the first 2 chapters and we KNOW Dream, that that is a response to a certain something, and hence I've been trying to make her understand that she ISN'T toxic past the first 1-2 chapters lol

[Wania]

HEYYYY

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Plus given Fredrick's and the servent's reaction, that wasn't a one time thing—it was recurring, just another Tuesday for them. The author didn't show us her doing it on-screen..."

But Eiser and Serena dine every Wednesday

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Waniaaaaa

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Plus given Fredrick's and the servent's reaction, that wasn't a one time thing—it was recurring, just another Tuesday for them. The author didn't ..."

That's the interesting thing, basically when someone is in a situation that has caused them trauma, it can result in them acting unlike themselves, did you know? 👀

[Wania]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatttt, we've got some new memberss :D
I can't say anything for your relations as they barely come online anymore 😔

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Yes, that EXPLAINS it, but her servents and Fredrick still endure her behaviour. The only reason they probably stay is because they KNOW (and the pay) and feel bad for her; It doesn't mean they don't deserve to get better treatment by her

[Wania]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatttt, we've got some new memberss :D
I can't say anything for your relations as the..."

Anyone barely comes online anymore :(

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Yes, that EXPLAINS it, but her servents and Fredrick still endure her behaviour. The only reason they probably stay is because they KNOW (and the pay) and feel bad for her; It doesn't mean they don..."

You KNOW that Frederick is not around for just the pay and we've already established that this is not how she acts every day. They have more understanding towards her and her situation than you do lol

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatttt, we've got some new memberss :D
I can't say anything for your relations as the..."

Yusra and Aaoxa?

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatttt, we've got some new memberss :D
I can't say anyt..."

Ikrrrr, we should kebab them for being inactive :D

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatttt, we've got some new memberss :D
I can't say anyt..."

⚠️No Blue and Qeisya :)

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Yes, that EXPLAINS it, but her servents and Fredrick still endure her behaviour. The only reason they probably stay is because they KNOW (and the pay) and feel bad for her; It ..."

That's literally what I said in my message, but as said in the last sentence; It doesn't mean her servants don't deserve to get better treatment. Yea on most days she's probably just bitchy and nothing more on normal days but every Wednesday (and the night before) counts

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatttt, we've got some new members..."

Ohhh I didn't know they were related :0

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Yes, that EXPLAINS it, but her servents and Fredrick still endure her behaviour. The only reason they probably stay is because they KNOW (and the ..."

Dream someone if you knew had gone through a traumatic incident and it caused them to act out because of it, would you ditch them because of that?? If it was a family member or a friend??

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1 HERE?"

Doing greatt..."

Yeahhh I could tellll :D

[Yusra يسریٰ , With your head in your hand you/re nothing more than his wife]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"

Heyyy Waniaa"

HOW IS EVERY1..."

blue nd Qeisya are relatedd to wania? how comee I didnt knoww

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Yusra يسریٰ wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Wania wrote: "HEYYYY"..."

You tell meee, how come YOU didn't knoww?

[evie *s-ia*]

Dream wrote: "Keywords were; Bad person and Toxic. You can search it up yourself. But Evie yes, How long do you think Serena was toxic until development started to show?"

ok like she was " toxic" in general until until like 1-2
but she was still kind of a bad person until like 16

[evie *s-ia*]

☆ᗩᒪᒪᗰIGᕼT☆ wrote: "❝Okay, Okay! Can someone catch me up?❞"

they are talking about a webtoon dw

[evie *s-ia*]

ok so hannas right
shes not really toxic after 1-2. shes still a bad person, and has remnants of toxicity, but shes not TOXIC. the only person u can argue shes toxic to is Frederick and even then, at least she told him hey we r friends with benefits not full on lovers w feelings

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Still proves my point of her having toxic behaviour till even after chapter 2

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

✨Evie✨ wrote: "ok so hannas right
shes not really toxic after 1-2. shes still a bad person, and has remnants of toxicity, but shes not TOXIC. the only person u can argue shes toxic to is Frederick and even then, ..."

Yasssss Evieeee <33

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Still proves my point of her having toxic behaviour till even after chapter 2"

No, your point is WRONG Dreammm

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

She's not as majorly toxic as in Chapter <2 but she still shows toxic behaviour beyond

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Still proves my point of her having toxic behaviour till even after chapter 2"

No, your point is WRONG Dreammm"

EVEN EVIE SAID THE SAME THING

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "Still proves my point of her having toxic behaviour till even after chapter 2"

No, your point is WRONG Dreammm"

EVEN EVIE SAID THE SAME THING"

SHE DID NOT SAY THE SAME THING, BEING TOXIC AND HAVING NEGATIVE CHARACTERISTICS ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "She's not as majorly toxic as in Chapter <2 but she still shows toxic behaviour beyond"

Which you still can't give me an example of if I remember correctly-

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

shes still a bad person, and has remnants of toxicity, but shes not TOXIC. the only person u can argue shes toxic to is Frederick

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "shes still a bad person, and has remnants of toxicity, but shes not TOXIC. the only person u can argue shes toxic to is Frederick"

Ah I missed that, okay fine but I disagree

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "She's not as majorly toxic as in Chapter

Which you still can't give me an example of if I remember correctly-"

Because it's not one(or more)major moments like in the first 2 Chapters, as I said before, It's THERE and as Evie said, she is still a bad person and has remnants of toxicity. Just because she's not as bad as in Chapter 2 and below doesn't mean she's entirely redeemed herself and is completely un-toxic all of a sudden

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "shes still a bad person, and has remnants of toxicity, but shes not TOXIC. the only person u can argue shes toxic to is Frederick"

Ah I missed that, okay fine but I disagree"

It's like half her message

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Oh my god you're blind

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Dreamcatcher wrote: "Hanna (Fuchai's wife) wrote: "Dreamcatcher wrote: "She's not as majorly toxic as in Chapter

Which you still can't give me an example of if I remember correctly-"

Because it's not one(or more)maj..."

Like I said, there's a difference between being toxic and having negative characteristics, everyone has some kind of negative trait, do we call it 'the remnants of toxicity'? No, we call it what it is, a separate trait

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

You should read Blindsight

[Dreamcatcher (HIATUS), When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night]

Fantastic Sci fi

[Hanna☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ (Free Palestine), Told you so]

Lol, I'll check it out