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Will the books have characters in common, or just a theme? Being retellings of fairy tales is not enough to make it a series.
Yes, this is a continuous series about the same group of characters in the same world. Every book is a different fairy tale but there are ongoing plots that continue over the course of the series.
Added: https://www.goodreads.com/series/3774...Will the book only be available as a Kindle edition, or also as a paperback or non-Kindle ebook? I notice the record has both an ASIN and an ISBN.
Thank you very much for adding the series!Yes, the book is available (for preorder) in paperback, hardcover, and ebook in all the major book retailers.
Hardcover: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
Paperback: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
Universal ebook link: https://books2read.com/rottingbeauty
Elizabeth wrote: "Universal ebook link: https://books2read.com/rottingbeauty"We cannot use that site as a source. Besides, it does not give any edition details.
Is 9798988812128 the ISBN for the ebook edition?
I'm sorry, I'm very confused about what it is you're trying to do or what you want from me. You asked if the book was available as a non-Kindle ebook, I posted the universal link to show you that the book is available at other retailers besides Amazon Kindle. (Clicking on any of those icons will take you to the retail listing of the ebook.)But 9798988812128 is the ISBN for the ebook, whether it's sold through Amazon Kindle, B&N Nook, Kobo, etc. There is no separate Kindle edition; it's all the same ebook. I assume it shows up on Goodreads as "Kindle Edition" because the book page generated automatically from Amazon when I put it up for preorder.
That seems to be the case with many books on Goodreads - as a random example, this book here, Silver in the Bone - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...
When I look under "More Editions" to see all the editions listed for the book, there are multiple "Kindle Editions" but no separate ebook edition listed, even though you can buy the ebook at other retailers, such as Barnes & Noble.
I'm not sure what you mean by source or what you need it for?
Because Kindle is an exclusive format from Amazon, we consider it different from e-book. They also have different identifiers. Kindles have an ASIN, not an ISBN.
That is no longer true about identifiers. You can absolutely publish your ebook through Kindle with an ISBN, as I did, and it is typical to use the same ISBN for your ebook across retailers, unless they really are different editions in some way (for example, if one version had exclusive content that the other didn't).Amazon will still generate an ASIN for all books (in addition to the ISBN) because it's their product code. It's like a UPC code at Walmart.
If that is your policy, then that's your policy, but it doesn't seem to be in line with the rest of the publishing world. As in the example I cited, there are many books here on Goodreads that don't have a separate ebook edition, even though they have a non-Kindle ebook.
EDIT: Having done a little further research on this, there doesn't seem to be much agreement at all about whether to use the same or different ISBN for e-books published through different distributors. Some people use different ones, some use the same. I don't really see the point using a different one if it's the same book with the exact same epub file and content.
Elizabeth wrote: "there are many books here on Goodreads that don't have a separate ebook edition, even though they have a non-Kindle ebook."All that means is that it wasn't added yet. It doesn't mean we wouldn't.
A Kindle record here may have an ISBN as well, but it requires the ASIN.
Okay. I am really confused about why we are having this discussion. I came here to ask for my series to be added, which it was and I am very grateful for that. Thank you all again for adding it. Is there something wrong with the way my book is listed here? Or is there something you need from me?
From what I can see it looks like the details of your book are fine, and all three editions are on GR. (Your hardcover edition is missing a cover image on Amazon.)I'm sorry to include this, but per GR policy, a series page should not be created when there is only one book, so your series page was created in error.
After a second book becomes available, either published or as a work-in-progress showing up on an allowable resource such as Amazon, your author website, the publisher website, etc., we can add the second book (if not already on GR) and can THEN create a series page.
Based on that policy, I have deleted the series page, as part of our responsibilities as Librarians is making corrections if another Librarian has made an error.
Once your second book meets the above criteria, a Librarian would be happy to help you get a series page created.
Please keep in mind once the second book is ready to be added, that to be considered a series there needs to be shared characters and/or the universe in which it is set, not just a similar theme. (It seems yours would be a series, but I wanted to mention that in case I misunderstood something.)
And again, I'm sorry for the deletion. I just follow policy, I don't make it. (I hope you can understand it's so there aren't a lot of series pages for single books after an author changed their mind on creating more than one book.)
Michelle wrote: "I'm sorry to include this, but per GR policy, a series page should not be created when there is only one book, so your series page was created in error."Please show me where you found this? I added the series page exactly because I remember seeing the opposite stated in this group.
ETA I see you have been stating this in several recent threads, and also deleted other series with one book (so far) created by very experienced librarians. Please link to the policy.
I've also never seen that policy about requiring a second book to make a series.I know several librarians who don't make a series for 1 book, but as far as I know, it isn't a requirement.
I just checked the Librarian Manual, and there is no mention of needing a 2nd book to make a series.https://help.goodreads.com/s/article/...
Michelle, maybe you misunderstood this discussion? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...No official ruling has been given, and the librarian stating they delete one-book series when they come across them is wrong to do so, in my opinion.
I would have to look through some other posts and find an actual link, but I believe I saw it posted by Scott (but that may be totally wrong and it may have been someone else though). A singular book does not a series make, no matter how the author names it. An author may intend that a book become a series, but many times it does not.
Part of the GR policy on what constitutes a series is that it can not simply be a theme, it must have a continuing narrative with some of the same characters, and/or be set in the same universe.
In order TO HAVE either continuing characters or a book set in the same universe, there must be more than one book! So even looking at it that way, a singular book is not a series.
There are numerous other Librarians who reply to requests they need to await book 2, and numerous other Librarians who also delete series pages if there is a standalone book.
Perhaps someone else can find the link in the Librarian Handbook, but I personally won't be able to look until later in the week. I'm not being flippant, it's just that I'm due for surgery check-in around 3.5 hours from now and I don't have the time for research right now. Sorry.
But again, since I've seen that many times by Librarians around a long time, and that combined with the GR Policy on what constitutes a series, that's what I go with. I will mark this to review later in the week in case I'm wrong.
Thank you for the two links that were included though. I review those later as well. regards.
Michelle wrote: "A singular book does not a series make, no matter how the author names it."That is your personal opinion though (and that of a few others), and not policy.
Sandra linked to the Librarian Manual in msg #15, and there is nothing there about needing a second book.
What is the point of actively deleting one-book series pages when they may have to be re-added once the next book comes out? Just leave them until we are (fairly) sure there won't be another book.
Somebody asked for a ruling in another thread, I think we should wait for that: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Good luck with your surgery check-in.
Someone found a thread in which rivka (former Librarian Moderator) already said that creating a series with one book is allowed: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Hi. The second book, Beast By Day, is up on my author website here: https://www.elizabethkking.com/my-books. I had actually already created a Goodreads page for the ebook format here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1.... I hope that's okay.Beast By Day is definitely coming out in early 2024. The book has been written for years, as have Books 3 and 4 in the series. I do understand the concerns about creating a series for 1 book, so I just wanted to reassure you that there will be more books in the series.
And I also want to confirm there are continuing characters and plotlines throughout the series. Each book is a different fairy tale with some new characters introduced, but characters from the first book also continue to appear in each subsequent book, continuing their plot lines and arcs from that first book. There are common villains and conflicts that are continued throughout the series, culminating in the plot of the final book.
As far as the cover image missing from the Amazon hardcover page for Rotting Beauty, there is nothing I can do about that. I have been told the metadata will eventually transfer over, but both Amazon and the distributor say there is nothing they can do on their end.
Thank you all again for your help, and please let me know if there is anything else I need to do to have the series created.
Thanks, Elizabeth. Re-created the series and added the second book to it: https://www.goodreads.com/series/3783...Sorry for the hassle.
Not at all, thank you very much! I appreciate it.
Book page here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
Thank you.