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James Morcan | 11246 comments Found this interesting list on Listverse: http://listverse.com/2009/07/31/top-1...

This list looks at some amazing past inventions that have been lost. Some may be cause for skepticism but almost all of the items here are things that we would definitely love to understand better today.


10 Greek Fire

Greek fire was an incendiary weapon used by the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantines typically used it in naval battles to great effect as it could continue burning even on water. The ingredients and the processes of manufacture and deployment of Greek fire were very carefully guarded military secrets. So strict was the secrecy that the composition of Greek fire was lost, and remains a source of speculation to this day. Consequently, the “mystery” of the formula has long dominated the research into Greek fire. Despite this almost exclusive focus however, Greek fire is best understood as a complete weapon system of many components, all of which were needed to operate together to render it effective.


9 Orgone - Wilhelm Reich

Orgone energy is a hypothetical form of energy first proposed and promoted in the 1930s by psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich. It is claimed that orgone is a manifestation of the Freudian concept of libido. Reich saw orgone as a universal bioenergetic force lying behind and causing much, if not all, observable phenomena. Reich developed a device – an “orgone accumulator” for clinical trials and tests. From the 1950s onwards, the FDA became involved in aggressively investigating healthcare providers who were offering treatment not accepted by mainstream researchers, and in particular by the American Medical Association. Reich was one of the therapists who was targeted. On February 10, 1954, the U.S. Attorney for Maine, acting on behalf of the FDA, filed a complaint seeking a permanent injunction under Sections 301 and 302 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, to prevent interstate shipment of orgone accumulators and to ban some of Reich’s writing. The court complied and ordered that all accumulators and their parts were to be destroyed. All written material that discussed how to use the accumulators was also to be destroyed. It also banned ten of Reich’s books that mentioned orgone energy, until such time as references to orgone were deleted.



8 Perpetual Motion - Viktor Schauberger

Schauberger and his works have become part of an internet-based conspiracy theory claiming that Schauberger invented free energy/perpetual motion devices and that this was “covered up” by the US government. While, perpetual motion devices are impossible under basic laws of physics as they violate the fundamental concept of conservation of energy, Schauberger never claimed to have invented perpetual motion machines, but instead stated that he used the Earth’s natural power. After the Second World War, Schauberger was apprehended by US intelligence agents, and kept in custody for 9 months. They confiscated all his documents and prototypes, and interrogated him to determine his activities during the war.


7 Ozone Therapy

Some people, including a number of doctors and biochemists, believe ozone has remarkable healing properties. The advent of precise medical ozone generators has only recently allowed the mechanisms, action and possible toxicity of ozone to be evaluated by clinical trials. But despite anecdotal evidence of ozone therapy having caused remission in a variety of diseases, therapeutic use of ozone is not endorsed by health authorities or medical associations in any English speaking country, and most US states prohibit the marketing of ozone generators, its medical use, and even research and clinical trials of ozone therapy, so that doctors risk losing their medical licenses by administering or prescribing ozone therapies.


6 Anti-Gravity Device - Thomas Townsend Brown

In 1956, the aviation trade publication Interavia reported that Thomas Townsend Brown had made substantial progress in anti-gravity or electro-gravitic propulsion research. Top U.S. aerospace companies had also become involved in such research which may have become a classified subject by 1957. Though the effect he discovered has been proven to exist by many others, Brown’s work was controversial because others and even he himself believed that this effect could explain the existence and operation of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Brown’s research has since become something of a popular pursuit around the world, with amateur experimenters replicating his early experiments in the form of “lifters” powered by high-voltage.


5 Cold Fusion Device - Eugene Mallove

Eugene Mallove was a notable proponent and supporter of research into cold fusion. He authored the book Fire from Ice, which details the 1989 report of table-top cold fusion from Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann at the University of Utah. The book claims the team did produce “greater-than-unity” output energy in an experiment, which supposedly was successfully replicated on several occasions. Mallove claims that the results were suppressed through an organized campaign of ridicule from mainstream physicists. He was fatally beaten May 14, 2004 in Norwich, Connecticut by an unknown assailant. His violent death was suspected by some to be related to the nature of his work.


4 Water Fuel Cell - Stanley Meyer

Stanley Meyer produced nine patents relating to his “water powered” car. He was subsequently sued by two investors and the court found Meyer guilty of “gross and egregious fraud”, ordering him to repay the investors their $25,000. Following his sudden death, an autopsy showed that he died of a cerebral aneurysm. Meyer’s supporters continue to claim that he was assassinated by ‘Big Oil’, Arab death squads, Belgian assassins, or the US Government in order to suppress his inventions.


3 Earthquake Machine - Nikola Tesla

At one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators, Nikola Tesla allegedly generated a resonance of several buildings causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he hit the resonance frequency of his own building and belatedly realizing the danger he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the astonished police arrived. The Discovery Channel’s popular MythBusters show examined Tesla’s claim that he had created an “Earthquake Machine” in their 60th episode. They tested the physical phenomenon known as mechanical resonance on a traffic bridge, which today are built to withstand such forces. While a single I-beam of steel was deflected several feet in each direction by their oscillator, and they reportedly felt the bridge shaking many yards away, there were no “earth shattering” effects. It is worth indicating that, in the time of the event undertaken by Tesla, buildings were not built to withstand such resonance.


2 Flexible Glass

Flexible glass is a legendary lost invention from during the reign of Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar (between 14 CE-37 CE). As recounted by Isadore of Seville, the craftsman who invented the technique brought before Caesar a drinking bowl made of flexible glass, and Caesar threw it to the floor, whereupon the material dented, rather than shattering. The inventor was able to simply repair the dent with a small hammer. After the inventor swore to the Emperor that he alone knew the technique of manufacture, Caesar had the man beheaded, fearing such material could undermine the value of gold and silver.


1 Chronovision - Father Marcello Pellegrino Ernetti

Father Ernetti is fascinating not just because of his work as an exorcist in the Venice region, but more especially because of his work on the “chronovision”. In the 1960s he is said to have claimed he constructed a time viewer of sorts in the 1950s, as part of a group that supposedly included Nobel Laureate Enrico Fermi and Wernher von Braun. The machine was called the Chronovisor, and could allegedly see and hear events of the past. According to an explanation by Ernetti, the luminous energy and sound that objects emanate are recorded in their environment, such that proper use of the chronovisor could reconstruct from said energy the images and sounds of a specific set of events from the past. Through the viewing screen of the chronovisor Father Ernetti claimed to have witnessed a performance in Rome in 169 BC of the now-lost tragedy, Thyestes, by the father of Latin poetry, Quintus Ennius. He also claimed to have witnessed Christ dying on the cross. On his death-bed in 1994, Father Ernetti said that he attended a meeting of all the people involved in the chronovision at the Vatican during which the only existing machine was destroyed.


message 2: by James, Group Founder (last edited Mar 18, 2015 06:13AM) (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments James Morcan wrote: "1 Chronovision - Father Marcello Pellegrino Ernetti

Father Ernetti is fascinating not just because of his work as an exorcist in the Venice region, but more especially because of his work on the “chronovision”. In the 1960s he is said to have claimed he constructed a time viewer of sorts in the 1950s, as part of a group that supposedly included Nobel Laureate Enrico Fermi and Wernher von Braun.
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The Chronovisor is probably the biggest call in that whole list of big calls...Sounds like something out of the X-Files and science fiction rather than real science...Then again, the wildcard is that the Father Ernetti collaborated with Wernher von Braun to create the machine. Those who have been paying attention to other posts in this group (or doing their own research) will recall von Braun was a former Nazi scientist turned NASA head brought into America post-WW2 undercover as part of Operation Paperclip - an operation that was rumoured to include a transfer of the most advanced (suppressed/classified) science of the time from Germany to the US.

For anyone interested, here's a video on the Chronovisor mystery: https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8136...


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Stephen Martino | 49 comments James,
Great list. Just one point I would like to add to the antigravity device. Rumors exist of an antigravity super weapon created by the Nazis called die Glocke. It was featured in Black Order (2005) by James Rollins. Supposedly, it was revealed by former Nazi SS Officer Jakob Sporrenberg during his post-war interrogation. One feature of this device was its antigravity capabilities.


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David Elkin | 508 comments Number 9, Number 9. Maybe John Lennon was referring to William Reich. Do a google search and he is all over the place. I have to say I think he was off in some his findings. From a webpage that likes him: In 1940, Reich discovers orgone energy. He states that physical and mental health are based upon the existence and flow through the body of a biological energy called orgone. He also creates the first orgone accumulators and they are tested on humans. They are made many ways, but they all serve the same purpose. Alternating layers of an organic material (plywood or cotton) and a metallic layer (steel wool or sheet metal.) The more layers the more energy is collected. The organic material is to collect the orgone and the metallic layer is to direct it to the receiver. By following this procedure you can make pillows, blankets or boxes which you can sit in. By sitting in or resting on these accumulators you're supposedly be able to rejuvenated. Since Reich didn't have any rigorous training in biology many scientists rejected his creations and discoveries.

Reich goes for a camping trip and buys a cabin near Rangeley Maine. He meets Albert Einstein who rejected Reich's work, saying that it is too "radical" and refuses to support his concepts. Reich was extremely disappointed with Einstein's discard, but continues his work with orgone.

Also see this: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011...

A nice overview of him and seems mostly neutral. I won't be running out to build one his devices.


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David Elkin | 508 comments James Morcan wrote: "James Morcan wrote: "1 Chronovision - Father Marcello Pellegrino Ernetti

Father Ernetti is fascinating not just because of his work as an exorcist in the Venice region, but more especially because..."


James, I think we wish this was true, but ....

If Van Bruan had the tool to view the past, he would have had the backing of Hitler who was looking for the Ayrian Race beginnings. I am aware that it says it was "invented" in the 50's, but this is a tale of wishing and hoping. Why didn't the boys from Paperclip rebuild it when in the US?

However, a great and fun list, and I agree, more humor is ALWAYS needed in any topic.


message 6: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments You never know David, you never know...


message 7: by David (new)

David Elkin | 508 comments So, where would you go? I would check out the 6th floor in a Dallas building in late Nov 63, or perhaps a field near Roswell in 46. Inquiring minds want to know.


message 8: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments Krishna wrote: "Very happy to hear that something like chronovision exists!!"

Maybe the elite of the elite are playing around with time travel tech in the most classified arenas, Krishna.
Truth can sometimes be even stranger than the most far-out (science) fiction...


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Joseph Shellim (shhhhstudios) | 153 comments Beware of those whose proof is far away.


message 10: by James, Group Founder (last edited Mar 18, 2015 08:15PM) (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments David wrote: "So, where would you go? I would check out the 6th floor in a Dallas building in late Nov 63, or perhaps a field near Roswell in 46. Inquiring minds want to know."

G'day David,
Yeah, I concur that Roswell and JFK would be two key events that would be fun to time travel back to. I'm pretty sure though that the JFK event would not suprise me (at least surrounding Oswald and the lone gunman myth), but the Roswell one is a much bigger mystery and would be fascinating.

Meanwhile, other events I'd like to time travel to would be the crucifixion (to see who was on that cross, if anyone), Princess Diana's death in the tunnel in Paris, the mysterious Tunguska event in Russia in 1908 and also Nikola Tesla's free energy experiments. And hey, how about the Big Bang event? Or 1 second before the big bang ;)

Another thing I'd throw into the mix is that I sense our whole concept of time is limited and in many way erroneous. It may be that there are many pasts and many futures and I think that may fit in with the quantum physics idea of parralel universes. But other more scientifically minded individuals would know more about that than me.


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David Elkin | 508 comments Stephen Hawkings A brief history of time is an interesting though challenging read.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...


message 12: by James, Group Founder (last edited Mar 18, 2015 08:16PM) (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments Joseph wrote: "Beware of those whose proof is far away."

Hence the word "Rumored" in the subject's heading...

In many discussions, sticking strictly to things proven or which have empirical evidence is the best method as it discounts mere speculation and/or guess work.

In other topics, however, allowing for non-proven things to be discussed (simply as possibilities) is extremely helpful in my opinion - especially when it comes to technologies and strategies of the global elite and the Military Industrial Complex who conceal much of what they do at classified levels.

And I think this is proven in recent history alone where subjects like MK-Ultra and mind control technologies or false flag operations like the Gulf of Tonkin incident or the CIA's vast media propaganda operation in Operation Mockingbird, which were all once totally unproven topics and mere conspiracy theories, have now been verified and proven as factual (via declassified documents, court cases etc). However, the key point is they may not have ever gotten to the point of being proven had not the brave whistleblowers and independent researchers forced the discussions beyond that which was already only proven.


message 13: by Joseph (new)

Joseph Shellim (shhhhstudios) | 153 comments In the end, rumors need some evidence. Maybe if we were shown the war with Rome and the temple destruction, it would be more credible, don't u think.


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Lance Morcan | 2825 comments Joseph wrote: "In the end, rumors need some evidence. Maybe if we were shown the war with Rome and the temple destruction, it would be more credible, don't u think."

Joseph - I don't think this answers James' point that "allowing for non-proven things to be discussed (simply as possibilities) is extremely helpful..." MK-Ultra and mind control being just one example of rumor that turned out to be fact.


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Jim (jimliedeka) It seems to me that Greek fire is an early version of napalm, more or less. I've seen claims about what it was made of but we'll probably never know for sure.

I'm a fan of Wilhelm Reich but I'm still not sure what to make of his orgone. His devices seem like some sort of weird capacitor. If his mind wasn't warped by Freudian thinking, he may have really gotten somewhere.

I won't weigh in on perpetual motion for now but we do know that ozone can kill microorganisms. I read about an experimental therapy for HIV that amounted to a type of dialysis that treated the extracted blood with ozone. Supposedly it worked well but I don't remember the source. It's probably internet BS.

Again, probably internet BS but I read about US military antigravity technology that used some sort of rotating torus of mercury to create antigravity. I think it was the TR3B program. I am aware of experiments showing a rotating disk in a magnetic field can reduce gravitational effects. I don't know where the physics is on this. Us mehums are stuck with the absurdity of General Relativity.

I'm still taking a wait and see approach on cold fusion but I'm pretty sure that the water cell stuff is good old fashioned fraud.

I don't know enough to comment on the last three. I will say that Werner von Braun was a rocket scientist. I don't think that would have given him any specific insights into building a machine to view the past. Bringing him into the story trips my BS detector.


message 16: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments Stephen wrote: "James,
Great list. Just one point I would like to add to the antigravity device. Rumors exist of an antigravity super weapon created by the Nazis called die Glocke. It was featured in Black Order (..."


Hey Stephen,
Yep, am aware of these persistent rumors of the Nazis having had working antigravity tech. Check out this discussion thread here in the group which covers these ideas of WW2 UFOs:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


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David wrote: "I am aware that it says it was "invented" in the 50's, but this is a tale of wishing and hoping...."

David, if I may say so, you're thinking far too linearly.
To say believing the chronovisor is just wishful thinking, is as dumb as someone else saying the chronovisor is definitely true (without proof).
Lack of proof however, is not an indicator something does not exist, especially what ya dealing the bastards at the very top of the technology chain.

So did it exist?
Who knows?

But what I would guesstimate is that even if the chronovisor was not real, some other time travel machine has probably already been invented in top-secret areas.

Need to remember we common citizens are like ants trying to understand aerodynamics...We have not been privy to the highest levels of (top-secret) science in the military for the last 100 years or so...
So who the fuck knows what sort of toys THEY are playing around with in the underground military bases? Not me and not you either, I would assume.


message 18: by Jim (new)

Jim (jimliedeka) I'm not sure I would go that far but you could be right.

I do think there are military contractors sitting on stuff that would blow our minds if we knew about it. I'm not sure if antigravity or time travel is part of that.


message 19: by James, Group Founder (last edited Mar 20, 2015 07:15PM) (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments "Jim wrote: "I do think there are military contractors sitting on stuff that would blow our minds if we knew about it. I'm not sure if antigravity or time travel is part of that.
..."..."


Agreed - totally blow our minds I'd say.
And I think if it ain't antigravity technologies or time travel machines, it's probably stuff that is equally remarkable and things we couldn't ordinarily even conceive of.


message 20: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments Here's a video of supposedly the top 18 suppressed inventions ever:
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8148...

Again, for anyone who doesn't understand the nature of these exploratory posts, the inventions/discoveries in this video are rumored, not proven...


message 21: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11246 comments This video worth a look (just ignore the dumbass music)

5 Ancient Artifacts that Shouldn't Exist
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/1101...


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