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message 1: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Every month we discuss a book on a specific era or a theme. This book will be the winner of a group poll.


Our March 2023 theme is...


Hope


Please nominate a 20th century book (either written in the 20th century or set in it) that is centred around hope, and that you would like to read and discuss. It could be fiction or non-fiction

Feel free to interpret the theme however you choose

Please supply the title, author, a brief synopsis, and anything else you'd like to mention about the book, and why you think it might make a good book to discuss.


Happy nominating.





message 2: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
It's been far too long since I read any Maugham and I am hoping I can tempt you with this classic novel which fits well with the theme....



The Razor's Edge (1944)

by

W. Somerset Maugham




Maugham wrote The Razor's Edge during WW2 and set it just after WW1

The Razor's Edge is about the search for truth, beauty and meaning after the widespread death and destruction of the war

Many of the characters have lost something from their lives and are looking for something to provide a sense of hope



In my experience, all Maugham's novels are worth reading, and
The Razor's Edge is often cited as his very best



More info....

Larry Darrell is a young American in search of the absolute. The progress of this spiritual odyssey involves him with some of Maugham's most brillant characters - his fiancee Isabel, whose choice between love and wealth have lifelong repercussions, and Elliot Templeton, her uncle, a classic expatriate American snob. The most ambitious of Maugham's novels, this is also one in which Maugham himself plays a considerable part as he wanders in and out of the story, to observe his characters struggling with their fates.






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Ben Keisler | 2136 comments The Razor's Edge is a book I've long heard about, but I've never read it or seen the film.

I read Rose Macaulay's Crewe Train earlier this month and found a lot in the style and wit and portraits of 1920's London to recommend it.

At the time, I added her novel The World My Wilderness to my to-read list. It is about a young girl recovering from WW2, and shows both her desolation and also London's.

Worth a look.


message 4: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Thanks Ben - noted


message 5: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
Not nominations yet, just my usual ramblings about possible nominations.

I'm thinking about Rebecca Solnit's non-fiction Hope in the Dark which was published in 2004 but which deals with events in the twentieth century.

Lessons in Chemistry - published recently but set in the 1960s with the hope of greater gender equality.

Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto about hope and resilience after grief.

Hope in the Dark by Rebecca Solnit Lessons in Chemistry by Bonnie Garmus Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto


message 6: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
All sound fab RC


message 7: by Jan C (new)

Jan C (woeisme) | 1646 comments I've been meaning to read The Razor's Edge for a while.


message 8: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Thanks Jan


So who else is considering a nomination?


message 9: by Ben (last edited Dec 29, 2022 12:42AM) (new)

Ben Keisler | 2136 comments I will nominate The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay.

The description on the book page is somewhat sketchy, so I've selected a few sentences from one of the top reviews.

The backdrop of the novel is post-war London and the ruins caused by the Blitz. ***. The central character is Barbary Deniston who is 17. Barbary spends much of her time with her step brother Raoul. During the latter part of the war she and Raoul have been helping the Maquis and pretty much running wild. *** The novel begins as Barbary and Raoul are being sent to London, Barbary to stay with her father and Raoul with his uncle. Barbary and Raoul discover the bombed out wilderness around St Pauls and spend time with its occupants, who are also often on the edges of society.

The actual Church in the novel where Barbary takes refuge is St Giles Cripplegate. Barbary finds the ruins comforting and creates her own space, a home there and there is a redemptive and healing theme; in the sense of coming to terms with the past.



message 10: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
Susan usually comes up with interesting nominations so perhaps we shouldn't rush?

Great theme but it does need a little thought - my immediate thought was Scarlet O'Hara's 'tomorrow is another day'!


message 11: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
Worth saying that I thought the Rose Macaulay was out of print but there's now a Kindle edition for 3.99, though you might need to search for in under 'all formats'.


message 12: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
I'm going to nominate Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto:

Banana Yoshimoto's novels have made her a sensation in Japan and all over the world, and Kitchen, the dazzling English-language debut that is still her best-loved book, is an enchantingly original and deeply affecting book about mothers, love, tragedy, and the power of the kitchen and home in the lives of a pair of free-spirited young women in contemporary Japan. Mikage, the heroine of Kitchen, is an orphan raised by her grandmother, who has passed away. Grieving, she is taken in by her friend Yoichi and his mother (who was once his father), Eriko. As the three of them form an improvised family that soon weathers its own tragic losses, Yoshimoto spins a lovely, evocative tale about mothers, transsexuality, bereavement, kitchens, love and tragedy in contemporary Japan. It is a startlingly original first work by Japan's brightest young literary star and is now a cult film.

When Kitchen was first published in Japan in 1987 it won two of Japan's most prestigious literary prizes, climbed its way to the top of the bestseller lists, then remained there for over a year and sold millions of copies. Banana Yoshimoto was hailed as a young writer of great talent and great passion whose work has quickly earned a place among the best of modern literature, and has been described as 'the voice of young Japan' by the Independent on Sunday.


Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto


message 13: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
Hmmm, I am really tempted by Maugham. However, as it's good to have a choice, I will nominate:

Wake Wake by Anna Hope

Remembrance Day 1920: A wartime secret connects three women's lives:

Hettie whose wounded brother won't speak.

Evelyn who still grieves for her lost lover.

And Ada, who has never received an official letter about her son's death, and is still waiting for him to come home.

As the mystery that binds them begins to unravel, far away, in the fields of France, the Unknown Soldier embarks on his journey home. The mood of the nation is turning towards the future - but can these three women ever let go of the past?

Her name seemed a sign! She is an author I have meant to try for a long while but never seem to have got around to.


message 14: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
I loved Wake and would re-read it like a shot. It was from Before Goodreads so no review on here but I remember how well it worked for me - great choice!


message 15: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
Maybe there are multiple editions as I have reviewed this, spoiler free: www.goodreads.com/review/show/1796623359


message 16: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
Good to hear, RC.


message 17: by Nigeyb (last edited Dec 29, 2022 03:30AM) (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Ben wrote:


"I will nominate The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay"

Thanks Ben - a splendid suggestion


Roman Clodia wrote:

"I'm going to nominate Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto"

Another super nomination - thanks


Susan wrote:

"I will nominate:

Wake"


Gets better and better - thanks Susan

Wake by Anna Hope - I see what you've done there 🤠 🫶🏻

And it's a hopeful sounding novel too

Genius


message 18: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Nominations so far....


The Razor's Edge (1944) by W. Somerset Maugham (Nigeyb)
The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay (Ben)
Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto (Roman Clodia)
Wake by Anna Hope (Susan)


message 19: by David (last edited Dec 29, 2022 06:44AM) (new)

David | 141 comments I am new to the group and still learning the reading tastes of those here, but I'll put forward At the Full and Change of the Moon by Dionne Brand if it may be of interest.

EDIT to add: Hope can be interpreted in many ways. Brand is drawing on a tradition that includes Toni Morrison and Gayl Jones (among many others), but taking a subtly different view by focusing not only on generational trauma, but by outlining a Black futurity that emerges from that trauma.


message 20: by Roman Clodia (last edited Dec 29, 2022 07:27AM) (new)

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Good to see you here, David, and welcome!

Dionne Brand is on my TBR so good to see this nomination - her writing is beautiful from the samples I've tried.


message 21: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
David wrote:



"I am new to the group and still learning the reading tastes of those here, but I'll put forward At the Full and Change of the Moon by Dionne Brand if it may be of interest."

Welcome David - thanks for the nomination too

At the Full and Change of the Moon is set in the 19th century and published in 2000. Our usual criteria for Group Reads (but not Buddy Reads) is that you nominate a 20th century book (either written in the 20th century or set in it)

At the Full and Change of the Moon is fine, especially as it was only just published outside the 20th century, but I mention it for future reference

Thanks again



Nominations so far....

The Razor's Edge (1944) by W. Somerset Maugham (Nigeyb)
The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay (Ben)
Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto (Roman Clodia)
Wake by Anna Hope (Susan)
At the Full and Change of the Moon by Dionne Brand (David)


message 22: by Ben (new)

Ben Keisler | 2136 comments It sounds like it also covers events in the 20th century. From the description, "Haunted by a legacy of passion and oppression, the children of Bola pass through two world wars and into the confusion, estrangement, and violence of the late twentieth century."

Isn't that good enough?


message 23: by Rosina (new)

Rosina (rosinarowantree) | 411 comments Ben wrote: "It sounds like it also covers events in the 20th century. From the description, "Haunted by a legacy of passion and oppression, the children of Bola pass through two world wars and into the confusi..."

I remember when the world was getting ready to celebrate the Millennium, there was a scholarly argument that the end of the second millennium (and thus, presumably, the 20th century) was on 31 December 2000, not 31 December 1999.

In those terms, books published in 2000 are 20th century books, especially as many will have been written in the preceding year.


message 24: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
I think Nigeyb was just reiterating the rules as some members can be quite specific and get upset if books don't follow the guidelines as they understand them.

As he said, the book does fit the guidelines, but worthwhile mentioning them again, especially to a new, and very welcome, member.


message 25: by Rosina (new)

Rosina (rosinarowantree) | 411 comments Other than the'scholarly' dispute over the dates, it is probably that an epic novel published in 2000 would have been written in the 20th century.

In fact, Amazon (and goodreads) show the date of first publication as January 1999 in the hardback edition. So it does meet the criteria.


message 26: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
Yes, as Nigeyb mentioned, but your scholarly argument is interesting. I would have said 1999 was the end of the milennium, but then, what do I know?!


message 27: by Rosina (new)

Rosina (rosinarowantree) | 411 comments It's because the first numbered year was 1AD, not 0, so a hundred years (or a thousand) from then will end with a 0, not a 9. No one took any notice, because the change from 2000 to 2001 isn't that exciting!


message 28: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
Ah, that would also include me then :)


message 29: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
I'm torn already between the Brand, Anna Hope and my own nomination...


message 30: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
Rose Macaulay was in the Love Charms of Bombs and I've never read anything by her and I love anything by Maugham. Some great options already.


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Alwynne | 3466 comments Roman Clodia wrote: "Worth saying that I thought the Rose Macaulay was out of print but there's now a Kindle edition for 3.99, though you might need to search for in under 'all formats'."

The edition I have is a paperback Virago one published three or four years ago, The World My Wilderness - I'd been looking for a copy for a while so pounced on it as soon as it came out! Looks as if it's still available.


message 32: by Alwynne (new)

Alwynne | 3466 comments Susan wrote: "Rose Macaulay was in the Love Charms of Bombs and I've never read anything by her and I love anything by Maugham. Some great options already."

I thought The Love-charm of Bombs: Restless Lives in the Second World War was completely fascinating, think that's what made me want to read the Macaulay.


message 33: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 11827 comments Mod
Alwynne wrote: "Susan wrote: "Rose Macaulay was in the Love Charms of Bombs and I've never read anything by her and I love anything by Maugham. Some great options already."

I thought [book:The Love-charm of Bombs... was completely fascinating"


Oh yes, I forgot Rose Macaulay was in that - I think I focused so much on Elizabeth Bowen and Graham Greene. Might have to re-read it.


message 34: by Nigeyb (last edited Dec 29, 2022 11:02AM) (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
The Love-charm of Bombs is indeed a winner and will also always make me feel positively desposed towards Rose Macaulay too ❤️‍🔥


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Chrissie | 1869 comments The only book I can get by Macaulay is The Towers of Trebizond. Has anyone read it? Should I read it? It will be my first by the author!


message 36: by Tania (new)

Tania | 1237 comments Chrissie wrote: "The only book I can get by Macaulay is The Towers of Trebizond. Has anyone read it? Should I read it? It will be my first by the author!"

I haven't read The Towers of Trebizond, though naturally, I do own it.
Audible should have Dangerous Ages which I have read and really enjoyed and I think a couple of her earlier works are on librivox, The Making of a Bigot being one. These ones are very early works and not necessarily indicative of her later novels.


message 37: by Ben (new)

Ben Keisler | 2136 comments Quite a few of her books are available on Amazon UK


message 38: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW I love this theme! I have no suggestions, but I love this and hope to read along when the book is chosen.


message 39: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Tania wrote: "Chrissie wrote: "The only book I can get by Macaulay is The Towers of Trebizond. Has anyone read it? Should I read it? It will be my first by the author!"

I haven't read [book:The To..."


I found Dangerous Ages. So this one you recommend. I'll also check Librivox. Thanks.

Ben, I need audiobooks due to my poor vision. I am thankful for your bringing the author to my attention.


message 40: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Who else is nominating?



Nominations so far....

The Razor's Edge (1944) by W. Somerset Maugham (Nigeyb)
The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay (Ben)
Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto (Roman Clodia)
Wake by Anna Hope (Susan)
At the Full and Change of the Moon by Dionne Brand (David)


message 41: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Last chance to nominate


I'll get the poll up tomorrow


message 42: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Time to vote...


https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/2...



Nominations

The Razor's Edge (1944) by W. Somerset Maugham (Nigeyb)
The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay (Ben)
Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto (Roman Clodia)
Wake by Anna Hope (Susan)
At the Full and Change of the Moon by Dionne Brand (David)


message 43: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Early lead for....



The World My Wilderness

by

Rose Macaulay






message 44: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Pollwatch....




Looks as though Rose Macaulay has got this in the bag with about 22 hours to go



The World My Wilderness by Rose Macaulay - 6 votes, 46.2%

Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto - 3 votes, 23.1%

The Razor's Edge (1944) by W. Somerset Maugham - 2 votes, 15.4%

Wake by Anna Hope - 1 vote, 7.7%

At the Full and Change of the Moon by Dionne Brand - 1 vote, 7.7%


message 45: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14141 comments Mod
Yes, looks a clear winner.


message 46: by WndyJW (new)

WndyJW I voted for Banana, but if I could change my vote I would switch it to The World My Wilderness.


message 47: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
You can switch your vote Wndy - there's a button to do just that, although only an hour or so left


message 48: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
We have a winner...



It's The World My Wilderness

by

Rose Macaulay



Thanks to everyone who got involved

See you in March 2023






message 49: by Ben (new)

Ben Keisler | 2136 comments After 2 years in the group, my first successful nomination!

Yippee!


message 50: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15794 comments Mod
Congratulations Ben - well deserved


It's a pleasure to read your insightful comments


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