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Roe v. Wade
Abby wrote: "The way that I see it is that you say every child deserves a chance but you also say that guns are good the guns are being used to kill children so in my eyes you are saying every child deserves a ..."There's a cliché that says "guns don't kill people; people kill people." It's a little too broad for my taste, but I think we make the mistake of assuming that guns themselves are the problem. There's nothing wrong with a gun, in and of itself. It's the access to guns that is the problem.
These people who are going in to shoot up schools, grocery stores, etc. should never have had access to a gun in the first place. There should be requirements to purchase a gun, such as mental stability checks, background checks, etc.
But taking away guns as a whole takes guns away from those who are responsible enough to own one. As to the arguments about the black market and illegally acquiring guns, that'll still happen whether or not guns are legal.
But this isn't a debate on gun rights, but a debate on Roe, so . . .
Those are good questions this is what I think the answers are: 1. If the pregnant person doesn’t want to continue the pregnancy it is their body it should be their choice.
2. I would say a child is the living thing once it has been born, a fetus would be what it is inside the womb, and clump of cells would be before it starts to get a brain or consciousness so like before 25 ish weeks
3. I think we call it a child if the pregnant person wants to keep it because they are keeping till it is a child and so it is easier to say child but it is still a fetus .
4. Well sometimes the pregnancy puts the pregnant person at risk, the fetus dies, in cases of rape people probably don’t want to carry around a reminder of that experience for 9 months, financial difficulties, the trauma it could cause are a few reason.
5. I would define life as being able to live on your own
Personally I can actually look at pictures of an aborted fetus without feeling intense sorrow and horror manly because it looks like a clump of cells and was never alive.
Have you seen what an aborted baby looked like? Go google it.
That wasn’t “a clump of cells” you were looking at. It was a bloody baby with little t-Rex arms.
Yea it doesn’t look like a baby or something that could be living.
It literally has a face and everything.
Dude, it just looks tiny, like it was never alive, and like a fetus.
It has characteristics of a baby because that is what it would be turning into it looks the same if it were to be in a womb.
Is has the characteristics of a baby because it is one! A scone in the oven has the characteristics of a scone because it is a scone, a sapling has the characteristics of a tree because it is a tree, puppy born too early has the characteristics of a puppy because it is one.
Yes but a scone doesn’t affect another person’s body.
But a baby is it’s own body. Doesn’t the baby deserve a right to it’s own body?
I mean alive as in able to survive on its own a fetus is surviving using a host body so no it is not dead but it isn’t truly alive either.
Reproductive rights such as abortion have a lot to do with biology since it is about bodies and it is just literally biology.It is obvious that a new born can not survive with out a care giver. The difference is the care giver doesn’t have to be the birther the fetus can’t survive out side of the pregnant person. And the pregnant person has or at least should have the rights to their body.
In conversations such as these could I ask you to try to use more inclusive language such as pregnant person and birther/ birth giver instead of just mother?
A pregnant woman chose to have sex, leading to her getting pregnant. A drunk driver made the choices leading up to a car crash in the same way.
Drunk driving and pregnancy aren’t the same thing.
No, but they have similarities. A drunk driver didn’t choose to get in an accident, but made choices leading up to it that they knew could very well result in a crash.
If someone were to get attacked by a shark would you feel bad for them?
That depends. Were they being stupid and asking for it? I’d still pity them but if they were being foolish it’s kinda their own fault.
Being foolish and stupid are the same. But they were swimming in the ocean they made the choices leading up to it so it’s kinda their fault.
That is what your argument sounds like.
I know that?
No, people can swim and be perfectly safe. I said if they were being stupid then it’s their fault. For example, if they doggy paddling or swam while they were bleeding.
No, people can swim and be perfectly safe. I said if they were being stupid then it’s their fault. For example, if they doggy paddling or swam while they were bleeding.
But a people can take all the precautions in the world while having sex and still get pregnant. Forcing the pregnancy to term can be harmful for birther and child.
And abortion isn’t harmful for both mother and child?
It can be less harmful than caring to term yes.
If the pregnant person’s health is at risk it could save their life, the fetus could die and give the pregnant person and infection that could threaten their life.
The fetus could die?
If it dies the mother can get it removed.
If it dies the mother can get it removed.
My questions are 1. who would be Paying for that technology and 2. Who is paying for its use when there is a fetus in it?
What if someone is getting an abortion due to financial issues?
Can I ask why you personally think abortions are bad?
So the thing that is not really alive deserves more rights than the pregnant person?
No, the baby deserves equal rights to the mother.
If a pregnant person is dying they will save the pregnant person before the fetus because the pregnant person already has a life and the fetus doesn’t. do you think that is wrong?
I do, but there’s gotta be limits and if the mother is going to die it’s understandable.
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That’s what I keep saying!
That’s what I keep saying!
@ gracel you think people who aren’t responsible should be responsible for a child?
People who aren’t responsible can resort to adoption. You keep ignoring that option.
Yes but a pregnant person shouldn’t have to go through pregnancy if they don’t want to because it is their body.
The fetus is using the pregnant person’s body if the pregnant person doesn’t consent to have their body used it shouldn’t be forced to.
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1. What if the father wants the child, but the mother does not? What should happen in this case?
2. What is the distinction between a "clump of cells," a "fetus," and a "child"? Can you establish clear lines among the three?
3. If a mother does not want the pregnancy, do we call it a fetus? If a mother does want the pregnancy, do we then call it a child? Should we make a distinction based on whether the fetus is wanted or not?
4. Why is adoption not a viable option? I.e. give birth to the fetus and immediately put it up for adoption and/or in the foster care system.
5. At what point do we define life? What about personhood? Should there be a distinction between the two?