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message 1: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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Welcome to our discussion on A Game of Proof (The Trials of Sarah Newby #1), by Tim Vicary, which is part of our Spring/Summer Collection Group Reads. Your discussion leader is Lisa.
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Summary

A mother's worst nightmare - can her son be guilty of murder?

Sarah Newby, who left school at 15, and was living as a teenage single parent on an inner-city estate, has worked her way up to begin a career as a criminal barrister. Then in a terrible irony her own son, Simon, is arrested and charged with a series of brutal rapes and murders. The evidence against him appears so strong that his QC advises a guilty plea, but Simon swears he is innocent and begs his mother take on his defence. There is no law against a mother representing her son, so Sarah agrees. The only other obvious suspect for the murders, however, is a man who has already been acquitted once - with Sarah acting as his defence lawyer ...

Has Sarah, in her single-minded determination to create a career for herself, neglected her son so much that she no longer knows him? Since he has often lied to her in the past, how can she trust him when he says he is innocent this time? And what should she do when she herself uncovers evidence that seems to suggest his guilt?

It seems that telling the whole truth must be weighed in the balance against keeping certain information well hidden ...


message 2: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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Hi everyone! Happy summer, and thanks to Leena for the recommendation on our July read! Looking forward to it. I just have to finish Anatomy of a Murder...reading too many books at one time, as always ;)


message 3: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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Is anyone having trouble finding this one? There's not even a listing for it in my library system, which is very rare.


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Ah, I did just find the Kindle edition free on Amazon!


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Rosina | 35 comments I have the ki due edition and will start later this week.....just finishing Riley Sagers latest....


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
Lisa wrote: "Ah, I did just find the Kindle edition free on Amazon!"

It's not in my library system either BUT I also got the kindle version FREE on Amazon. Score!!!


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments I'm like 200 pages into it. Its not a pleasant read at all and the chauvinistic views of the male charachters is truly unsettling. Sarah too doesn't come across as a pleasant person. Having said all this,I'm finding it very hard to put down the book.


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments I found a copy on scribd and later dowbloaded on Z-lib.org.


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments this is an extremely chauvinistic, sick, repulsive book but unable to stop reading.


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Leena, that’s so interesting. It has to be pretty good if it’s such compelling reading despite those issues.


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments it is. she's so ambitious it's overwhelming besides being the kosher who'll.always stand by her children. she's phenomenal


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
I haven't started yet but hope to get to it tomorrow.


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Same here, starting tomorrow!


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments I've finished it and I really really enjoyed it.it took me some time to accept the abject chauvinistic tone but then she comes through and how - what a lioness.


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Nancy Hi, I was able to get the book. I read a couple of chapters so far and it’s keeping me interested. The men in this book

Judge Stuart Gray and Julian Lloyd-Davies (view spoiler)

Her husband, Bob (view spoiler)

Detective Terry Bateson(view spoiler)


message 16: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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I’m a few chapters in, and I surely understand the comments about the chauvinistic tone. Yikes. The writing is a bit odd to me, sort of unpolished. Interested to see where this goes.


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments And then the tone changes - Sarah is just so focused on succeeding in her career, I'm.notnsure I've come across such a single minded heroine still. It shook me a little , one is so used to that stereotype- loving mother sacrifices it all for the kids.
And the chauvinistic comments are also true- but again we are used to it being glossed over or utterly by the negative characters I was taken aback by the hero and the husband thinking so of the heroine.


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Nancy Leena wrote: "And then the tone changes - Sarah is just so focused on succeeding in her career, I'm.notnsure I've come across such a single minded heroine still. It shook me a little , one is so used to that ste..."

It’s unusual for me to read a book where no men have any redeeming value. I can understand two or three ( heroine overcomes antagonist; showing character growth). I wonder if the author did this intentionally?


Leena Aluru (mgleena) | 182 comments I think he did. And on reflection- its simple.human tendency to pull those better than us down - even if its in our thoughts. Its so hard to accvept their achievements and consequently our failures. I know Ive done so many times . Its irrational.


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Nancy Sarah and the detective’s discourse does bring up an interesting point. How does one go about defending a person who maybe guilty? How far is a lawyer willing to go to get the client off? How some people would want to put away a bad person who committed other crimes but maybe not the one they are on trail for.

Also is Sarah right in cross examining the detective (acquaintance, family or friend) the way she did?


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Nancy, your first question is something I think about a lot. I was recently talking to someone who is a criminal defense lawyer, and I asked her if it was difficult to defend someone she knew was guilty. She said not at all, happens all the time. Everyone gets a right to a defense lawyer in the US, so it didn't bother her. She said what is nervewracking is defending someone she knows is innocent, as this person's freedom is now at stake.


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Leena wrote: "And then the tone changes - Sarah is just so focused on succeeding in her career, I'm.notnsure I've come across such a single minded heroine still. It shook me a little , one is so used to that ste..."

Leena, there is definitely a different perspective here. It's really interesting. I've read so many crime/mystery novels with the errant male hero being devoted to his work and falling down on the home front or in his personal life. I like the spin. I'm enjoying this book more as I go. Was unsure in the first few chapters, but I'm all in now.

Anyone else still reading?


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
I’ve started it and YES Julian is easy to dislike and at this point Sarah is too.


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Nancy Lisa wrote: "Nancy, your first question is something I think about a lot. I was recently talking to someone who is a criminal defense lawyer, and I asked her if it was difficult to defend someone she knew was g..."

Thanks for the answer.


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Nancy Lisa wrote: "Leena wrote: "And then the tone changes - Sarah is just so focused on succeeding in her career, I'm.notnsure I've come across such a single minded heroine still. It shook me a little , one is so us..."

I am. I had some things this week but will be back to reading it this weekend.


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
I agree that if you’re a defense lawyer then you do your job - defend. Same as a prosecuting attorney. I think either may be difficult at times.

I can’t muster any sympathy for Sarah or anyone else yet.


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Nancy ˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri •°*”˜.•°*”˜ wrote: "I agree that if you’re a defense lawyer then you do your job - defend. Same as a prosecuting attorney. I think either may be difficult at times.

I can’t muster any sympathy for Sarah or anyone els..."


I have to greenish you Sheri. I’m a up to chapter 15 and I don’t find myself caring about ant of the characters. Considering this is first in a series, you think the author would want us rooting for the main character.

“Trials” meaning both the actual trial and trials in her personal life


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Nancy So I’m up to chapter 14

Her daughter, Emily (view spoiler)

Also (view spoiler)


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
Nancy wrote: "So I’m up to chapter 14

Her daughter, Emily [spoilers removed]

Also [spoilers removed]"


Totally agree with your first spoiler.

That second spoiler is a good question. I hadn't thought about the "intended target."


Kirsten  (kmcripn) | 29 comments I just started yesterday and it is a very compelling read so far. So far I like Emily but disagree with many of her choices. The chauvinism is disgusting but this is England and they do still suffer from the "old boy" network.


message 31: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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I agree on the dislikability of the characters, particularly Sarah. And, wow, the chauvinism! I can understand, for example, why Terry doesn’t like Sarah, but he just resorts to thinking, “Bitch!” lol. That word is so gender-specific. Call her an a-hole and I’m on board. This makes it hard to like Terry, too, and I feel like he’s set up to be a character that the reader empathizes with. I’m really kind of bowled over by the portrayal of Sarah, and her single-mindedness in favor of work vs her family. Even when her daughter goes missing, she speaks so poorly of her, not lovingly, or with concern.


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Pam (pmunro) | 176 comments Hi, All ... I have another 5 hours to listen to this book. I agree with all that's been said about it thus far.


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Pam (pmunro) | 176 comments Finally finished! I agree with Leena's comments; I thought it was a long, tough read, but I kept listening. The ending felt contrived by the way it was written, but I guessed what was going to happen very early on.


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
I like the basic premise of the story - a person who has made several bad decisions pulls themself up and becomes successful, but I didn't sympathize with any of the characters and didn't care much about who did or didn't do it.


message 35: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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I'm getting close to finishing and have been waiting for Simon's redeeming moment...still waiting... What a lout.


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
Lisa wrote: "I'm getting close to finishing and have been waiting for Simon's redeeming moment...still waiting... What a lout."

Get back to us on that one :)


message 37: by Lisa, Moderator (new) - rated it 3 stars

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˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri •°*”˜.•°*”˜ wrote: "Lisa wrote: "I'm getting close to finishing and have been waiting for Simon's redeeming moment...still waiting... What a lout."

Get back to us on that one :)"


LOL!


message 38: by Lisa, Moderator (last edited Aug 03, 2022 02:20PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

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Just finished. Meh...it kept me interested throughout the first half, but it was way too long and repetitive. And such unlikeable characters. In a way, I give the author credit for going all in with the crappy personalities of Sarah and Simon, and not ever going the redemption route. But, it makes a story less engrossing. And then (view spoiler) So much of the text in this book was the same ideas and circumstances, stated over and over again - here are the challenges, here are the facts, here are what the characters are like, and not in an interesting way. It struck me that I was riveted during the trial scenes in our last book, Anatomy of A Murder, and just trying to get through them in this one. Both restated the cases at hand, but in such different ways.


˜”*°•.˜”*°• Sheri  •°*”˜.•°*”˜ | 2050 comments Mod
Lisa, I wondered about the person in your spoiler. Maybe things come to light in the next book?


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