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message 1951: by Papaphilly (last edited Oct 30, 2024 04:18PM) (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments J. wrote: "I'm reading The Anti-Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention Debates. Much of the progressive agenda seems like the utopian elements of the Virginia Plan taken to absurdis..."

Have you or are you going to read The Federalist Papers? One cannot be done without the other because you will miss half of the argument. What I have found truly intriguing is how the combination of both ended up in our system and one cannot exist without the other.


message 1952: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments I've read about half of the essays from the Federalist Papers. The first part of the Anti-Federalist Papers is the Constitutional Convention debates as recorded in Madison's notes, so that part is complete though terse.

I've posted elsewhere that we need both Jefferson and Madison to be who we can be as a nation. It's just depressing to see people clamoring for the elimination of safeguards which were thoroughly deliberated.


message 1953: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Joe Rogan's view upon the censorship of his video with Trump.

REF: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/r...

Bottomline - Censorship doesn't work - it just makes it all bigger.


message 1954: by Sai :) (new)

Sai :) (the climate catastrophe is real) Graeme wrote: "Joe Rogan's view upon the censorship of his video with Trump.

REF: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/r...

Bottomline - Censorship..."


very true. you try to silence somebody, very likely that many more will speak out


message 1955: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments My view is if someone makes wild accusations against you, your best option is to ignore it, unless it contained statements that are clearly false. The point is, if ignored, there is only so long they can keep talking to themselves. It won't always work, but you can always do something else later, and you can never ignore it after you have responded,


message 1956: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments I'm usually not much on celebrity endorsements, but...

Legendary astronaut Buzz Aldrin ‘wholeheartedly’ endorses Donald Trump
https://nypost.com/2024/10/30/us-news...


message 1957: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Sai (the climate catastrophe is real) wrote: "I think the violence will stick to things like those ballots burning."

There have been two assassination attempts in the last four months. This could be very bad.


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message 1959: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Graeme, I clicked on your link. There was supposed to be access to the entire interview there, but I couldn't access Rogan's interview with Trump. I just finished listening on Spotify, so it's still there. You can get it for free with ads. People have gotten wise to censorship and will do what it takes to find what they want to watch. And they're probably pissed that they're being blocked because of political machinations. Liberals aren't doing themselves any favors - just exposing themselves as too weak to deal with criticism, thus censoring opposing views. In the land of the free, this doesn't bode well for them. I'll be listening to the Vance interview next.


message 1960: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Amusing that you say this, Ian: "The point is, if ignored, there is only so long they can keep talking to themselves."


message 1961: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments The Joe Rogan interview was a very interesting choice for Trump because Rogan is not a Trump guy. Trump must be feeling very good about his chances because this is a bold move that reaches 23 million followers.


message 1962: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Rogan was a Bernie supporter, so it took a lot of Democrat bs for him to decide to interview Trump. Just shows you how bad things have gotten the last 4 years.


message 1963: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments Scout wrote: "Rogan was a Bernie supporter, so it took a lot of Democrat bs for him to decide to interview Trump. Just shows you how bad things have gotten the last 4 years."

Actually. think it was a brilliant move for him. It was fair interview and that will raise his profile even higher if that is possible.


message 1964: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments I agree. I think Trump has been so vilified by liberals because they're afraid if people actually get to know him, they'll see he's not evil. They're against hate speech, but liberals compare him to Hitler, say he's a fascist who will destroy democracy, say his supporters are deplorable, unredeemable, garbage. That sounds like hate speech.


message 1965: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments White House Aides Changed Official Transcript of Biden's 'Garbage' Remark
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-...


message 1966: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Papaphilly wrote: "The Joe Rogan interview was a very interesting choice for Trump because Rogan is not a Trump guy. Trump must be feeling very good about his chances because this is a bold move that reaches 23 milli..."

As of this post, it is over 42.6 million views just on YouTube. If you add in Spotify and X, Trump has reached a significant portion of the electorate with a three hour conversation. Perot wished he could've bought that back in 1992. Trump got it for free.


message 1967: by J. (last edited Nov 02, 2024 10:17AM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Senator Fetterman of Pennsylvania on JRE:
https://youtu.be/_y-59phRHRM?si=rSSce...

The stroke patient which the Dems propped up to run for Senate in Pennsylvania can pull off traveling to Austin to do 2 hours with Rogan. But the Daft Cackler can't...


message 1968: by J. (last edited Nov 02, 2024 01:29PM) (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments When WaPo's token conservative just couldn't take it anymore:
https://youtu.be/o3nTglvOaQA?si=P3EsJ...


message 1969: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments J. wrote: "Senator Fetterman of Pennsylvania on JRE:
https://youtu.be/_y-59phRHRM?si=rSSce...

The stroke patient which the Dems propped up to run for Senate in Pennsylvania can pull off traveling to ..."


Mark my words, watch Fetterman. He is going to be a power player in the future and I would not be surprised if he tries for the big prize.


message 1970: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments J. wrote: "When WaPo's token conservative just couldn't take it anymore:
https://youtu.be/o3nTglvOaQA?si=P3EsJ..."


That was interesting. He is of course right. They have to report the news.


message 1971: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "When WaPo's token conservative just couldn't take it anymore:
https://youtu.be/o3nTglvOaQA?si=P3EsJ..."

That was interesting. He is of course right. They have to report the news."


I found the reaction of the other two "journalists" to be the interesting part. They were called out on their partisan BS, to their faces. And they weren't even embarrassed.


message 1972: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "When WaPo's token conservative just couldn't take it anymore:
https://youtu.be/o3nTglvOaQA?si=P3EsJ..."

That was interesting. He is of course right. They have..."


And everyone wonders why nobody is reading papers anymore.


message 1973: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Anyone watch the JRE interview with Vance? If so, what did you think?


message 1974: by Sai :) (new)

Sai :) (the climate catastrophe is real) I've been meaning to watch it---too much on my plate. I've heard a lot, though.


message 1975: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Papaphilly wrote: "Sai (the climate catastrophe is real) wrote: "who do you guys think will win the election?"

I think it breaks Trump's way. I think They take the Senate and maybe even hold the House. I also think ..."


They already have a plan.
https://youtube.com/shorts/CHEfOPB4Tl...


message 1976: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Scout wrote: "Anyone watch the JRE interview with Vance? If so, what did you think?"

He did the usual political dances around weak areas. But on the whole, he came off as a normal, affable guy. That's far more than I can say about his opponent, Walz.


message 1977: by Graeme (new)


message 1978: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Tomorrow will be...

OC man hospitalized after alleged fight with neighbor over Trump flag
https://www.foxla.com/news/oc-man-hos...


message 1979: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 1857 comments Tomorrow will be when we stop speculating and start. to wonder wheree we all are :-)


message 1980: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments At this point, I'm doing it for Peanut.


message 1981: by Sai :) (new)

Sai :) (the climate catastrophe is real) J. wrote: "At this point, I'm doing it for Peanut."

Peanut and Fred should never have died. It reflects badly on the entire Democratic party that New York made a choice as terrible as this one


message 1982: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Sai (the climate catastrophe is real) wrote: "J. wrote: "At this point, I'm doing it for Peanut."

Peanut and Fred should never have died. It reflects badly on the entire Democratic party that New York made a choice as terrible as this one"


This wasn't a one off event. Government overreach is constant.


message 1983: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments I agree that government overreach is constant. I started listening to the JRE interview with Elon while I was waiting in line to pick up my grandson, and it was clear that there was government overreach with Twitter. Very interesting interview so far - and logical, which is very refreshing. I'm so tired of the last 4 years of nonsense by the party in power. Elon thinks that if a Democrat is elected, they will come after X and put it out of business using the Justice Department. This seems reasonable, since they've already gone after Spacex. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justic...
Democrats go after anyone with power who disagrees with them. Look at what they've tried to do to Trump. Talk about destroying Democracy. Has anyone noticed that Democrats accuse Republicans of things they are doing themselves?


message 1984: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Now, MSNBC is calling for viewers to ostracize family members who voted for the Evil Orange Man.
https://x.com/alx/status/185534886234...


message 1985: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments What BS, trying to destroy family relationships. Evil liberal haters.


message 1986: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments Happened to my next door neighbor. His daughter is not talking to him. Guess who she voted for....


message 1987: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Papaphilly wrote: "Happened to my next door neighbor. His daughter is not talking to him. Guess who she voted for...."

Karla Marx?


message 1988: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments ‘Managing Stress During Change’: Biden-Harris State Department Holds Therapy Session After Trump Win
https://freebeacon.com/biden-harris-a...

Thankfully, the US State Department isn't the kind of high stress environment in which employees are working on the lives and deaths of nations.


message 1989: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments For those in distress there might be a better solution: https://www.business-standard.com/wor...


message 1990: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments This is how big Trump won.
https://youtu.be/M2U_UZQFO2o?si=XcKt7...


message 1991: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Trump flipped 8 counties in the People's Republic of California.
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/artic...


message 1992: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments My Black next-door neighbor and good friend of 25 years has been a staunch Democrat, yet we've been able to maintain our friendship because we listen to each other and agree to disagree. Yesterday, she surprised me by saying that it's time to deport illegal immigrants. Over the last 4 years, I've voiced my opinions on this topic, and this is the first time she's agreed with me. She voted for Kamala, but she now sees the economic effects of allowing millions of illegal immigrants into the country, as well as the threats they pose to security. I'm encouraged by this.


message 1993: by Papaphilly (new)

Papaphilly | 5042 comments J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "Happened to my next door neighbor. His daughter is not talking to him. Guess who she voted for...."

Karla Marx?"


Amazing! How did you know?


message 1994: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments Papaphilly wrote: "Amazing! How did you know?"

As much as they hate the comparison, the Millennials and Gen z are more like the Baby Boomers than anyone else. To predict their behavior I just ask myself if they've switched from weed to coke yet.


message 1995: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 19850 comments My main conclusion from these elections is that they were regular. Lots of shitslinging, "end of the world" hyperbole and lots of conspiracy theories none of which turned true


message 1996: by Scout (new)

Scout (goodreadscomscout) | 8071 comments Biden invited Trump to the White House for a meeting. Thought you might want to see how Biden welcomed Trump after he was compared to Hitler and called an existential threat to Democracy. Biden has looked really happy since Trump won, I think because his party betrayed him and forced him to withdraw from the election. I'd say he feels vindicated after Kamala lost.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6364656...


message 1997: by J. (new)

J. Gowin | 7975 comments When in doubt, blame young people.

Gen Z voters were the biggest disappointment of the election. Why did we fail? | Opinion
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...


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