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Want to talk about the 2024 election? Possible candidates? Platforms? Predictions?
J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "On a related note, I'm starting to look for book titles for my 2024 Election Insanity Reading List. Any suggestions from the group?"Do you want primers or in depth? ..."
OK you want a primer. Great start. Give me a few days and I will give more than you can read.
Papaphilly wrote: "Yhe [sic] one caveat for me is if he gets indicted. If it comes across as a political hit, I think all bets are off. If it comes across as a proper exercise, all bets are off again, but for very different reasons. A political hit will anger people and they can raise the temperature and cause people to come out and back him. If it is a proper cause, then it opens to door wider for the Republicans to charge in on Joe and his son..."About that:
Trump says he expects to be arrested, calls for protest
https://apnews.com/article/trump-arre...
Perhaps he has realized he has committed a crime??
Ian wrote: "Perhaps he has realized he has committed a crime??"Perhaps, however this is in relation to alleged payments made over a decade ago to Stormy Daniels. Stormy was the pornstar who violated an NDA in order to sue Trump while he was president. She lost, was ordered to pay Trump's court costs, and her lawyer is now in prison for scamming his clients. If there was meat on them bones, I would have expected it to be found during the earlier lawsuit, when the MSM and Congress were in a full on crusade against the Orange Man.
Trump has a loyal base, but I don't think that's enough to get him elected. If he wins the Republican nomination, I can't see moderates and undecided voters voting for him. They'll either stay home or vote Democrat. The only hope I see is for someone like DeSantis (maybe you have others in mind) to win the Republican nomination, someone who doesn't have all the baggage and who has an even temperament. Too many people see Trump as someone who sabotages himself with his own intemperance.
Ian wrote: "Perhaps he has realized he has committed a crime??"When it comes to this type of stuff, I always say let it runs its course. I do have grave doubts though. It is NY and they have gone after him Since he ran for President. As a matter of fact the NY Attorney General ran on a platform of getting Trump. When I made the comment, I was referring to this guy in particular. From the moment he was elected, they wanted to impeach him. Nothing has stuck and yet, no blow back on those for the false charges. It does not mean he is innocent. Its mean I am skeptical.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., son of Robert F. Kennedy and nephew of John F. Kennedy, has announced his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President. The MSM automatically attacked him as an anti-vaxer.
The mind boggles at a Kennedy vaccinating ants :-) Yes, I know, but I couldn't help it :-)
I hate autocorrect. It's fixed.
Trump is obviously going to run. I don't see Nikki Haley getting much traction at all, and I'm somewhat surprised at how low DeSantis is polling. I listen to a lot of local, regional and a bit of national talk radio and people always speak positively about DeSantis but he doesn't seem to have captured the imagination.I was impressed with a couple interviews I watched with Vivek Ramaswami - I'm not sure where he will position among the others who've announced.
On the democrat side, I know that RFK, Jr speaks about running, I'm not sure who else is ready to toss in.
It's more interesting to me at this point to figure out who will be in the second place on the tickets.
I don't get why DeSantis isn't polling better, either. And can you imagine Ramaswami winning the national election? I can't. Is there a moderate Democrat who would be supported by the party? It seems to have been taken over by the far left. And, J., it is interesting to think about the VP choices. Would Biden stick with the ineffectual and unpopular Kamala? Nothing makes sense these days, so maybe he would. Who would be the number 2 on the Republican ticket? I don't know. What do you think?
J. wrote: "Trump is obviously going to run. I don't see Nikki Haley getting much traction at all, and I'm somewhat surprised at how low DeSantis is polling. I listen to a lot of local, regional and a bit of n..."I think what it is Trump supporters want to see Trump win in 24, then Desantis in 28 so that there will be 12 years of Trumpism instead of 8. Desantis polling so low is a subtle message from supporters for him to wait his turn.
De Santis might think that a further four years of Trump might be too divisive, and the people may want some other option. I suspect they do now, except Joe isn't it.
I think you might be right. He's been making moves that suggest he plans to run against Trump for the nomination, even if he denies it now.And I would say the Democrats are in a tough position. If a serious contender steps forward now, it's like coming out and admitting Biden is too old and too far gone to serve another term - almost admitting he shouldn't be serving now. It sends a signal when it's already impossible to hide his mental failings. but, the longer they wait, the less time a replacement has to sell themselves to Democratic primary voters. When it reaches the point where either Biden admits he's not running, or the party decides it's time to push him aside, the serious candidates will have to scramble to win over voters.
My personal view is Biden should decare right now that he is not running. He has equivocated so much that he clearly has no deep desire to run again, and he would do his party a favour to say right now that he will not be there in 2025
It’s an interesting dilemma. Biden can still win against Trump, but would lose against most younger contenders. If they both skip, it’d give a chance to interesting prospective nominees. However, chances are they’d both choose a rerun
If Biden would win against Trump, then surely so would someone better than Biden. Unless some of the opinions on Biden's performance are wrong, I don't see it as a dilemma as long as whoever the Dem is does not get entangled in Trump's weird tangle of miscellaneous accusations. Part of the reason Biden won was he ignored Trump. Unfortunately, he also ignored policy and was strangely low-key. He won because he wasn't Trump
Ian wrote: "My personal view is Biden should decare right now that he is not running. He has equivocated so much that he clearly has no deep desire to run again, and he would do his party a favour to say right..."If he declares right now he is not running, he becomes a lame duck right now.
For you guys so worried about poll numbers, the election is two years out. Relax, number mean nothing right now. Desantis will rise in polling after he declares. Nobody is paying attention yet.
Mike Pompeo released a statement.https://youtu.be/QIhKbH8ysfA
I always scratch my head over these "I am not running" statements from non-candidates.
J. wrote: "Mike Pompeo released a statement.https://youtu.be/QIhKbH8ysfA
I always scratch my head over these "I am not running" statements from non-candidates."
He was thought that he might make a run.
It tells potential donors not to waste their money on him.
Trump just can't control himself. I'd like to see a Trump-like president who has guts and common sense. DeSantis looks like he fits the bill. I don't see a woman winning, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't see world leaders like Putin and Xi, even crazy little man Kim, giving women much respect, and they have to be dealt with. And, actually, the election is more like a year and a half out. I agree with J.J. that waiting until the last minute will be unsettling for Democrats. Surely they can't think Biden will be mentally capable of faking it for four more years.
Scout wrote: "Trump just can't control himself. I'd like to see a Trump-like president who has guts and common sense. DeSantis looks like he fits the bill. I don't see a woman winning, but maybe I'm wrong. I don..."I think the Republicans have three or four quality candidates. The Democrats have pretty bare cupboards this go around.
The logical conclusion is that if even Democrats question his ability to campaign, then he's definitely not fit to be president for another term. Heck, he's unfit to be president now, but we're living in bizarro world where people pretend everything's fine because the alternative (Kamala) is even worse. If Democrats insist on running him again, their best bet is to give him a strong running mate that can take over when he's found mentally incompetent to govern. A bait and switch, basically.
Well Robert Kennedy, Jr jumped in on the democrat side, and last night Larry Elder announced he's running for president on the republican side. Also, it was reported that Biden will announce next week whether or not he'll be running.
Kennedy is an anti-vaxxer, so that's a non-starter for the Democrats.
Uncle Joe finally declared and the RNC tapped Skynet.https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn...
The ad in question:
https://youtu.be/kLMMxgtxQ1Y
Nik wrote: "Are Rob and Larry any popular?"Most people who like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are yearning for a lost dream. They equate the Kennedy name with the Camelot of the idealized JFK administration, and they hope that he can redeem their dream. Bobby Jr., himself, is a well educated and sometimes opinionated public figure with a notable speech impediment. (He is still far more intelligible than Brandon.) Linked below is a debate he had with Alan Dershowitz over the COVID vaccine.
https://youtu.be/IfnJi7yLKgE
Larry Elder is a conservative, black radio personality from California. Most of his positions on race in America fall in line with Thomas Sowell, so he draws liberal accusations of being an Uncle Tom. Linked below is a debate he had with Gloria Allred.
https://youtu.be/njhuxF3Dy30
So, if Biden wins, she'll be next in line. This nonsense-speaking person who never makes sense. Imagine her as the leader of the free world. It could happen.
The DNC is so hard up to protect Uncle Joe that they've declared that there will be NO Democratic Primary Debates.https://youtu.be/7n9J1wC9qDY
Gotta love the Democrats version of Democracy.
I would have thought that cancelling debates to protect the old guy would be tantamount to telling everyone Joe is too old. Everyone would then vote against him in the vote that counts
What are you talking about? The guy is sharp as a razor 🪒 (at times): https://youtu.be/rhVcxmsWy_0 😉 Apparently, he won’t debate fellow dems for obvious superiority or at least seniority . Not as fun as telling well rehearsed jokes
J. wrote: "The DNC is so hard up to protect Uncle Joe that they've declared that there will be NO Democratic Primary Debates.https://youtu.be/7n9J1wC9qDY"
I'd be ok with it if he didn't have a serious challenger. Then I see that RFK is polling at 19%.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...
If the first time around Trump - Biden geriatric showdown looked somewhat extraordinary, a looming rerun is borderline outlandish . The elders of the tribe 👴🤺 And I’ve nothing against elderly.But then again, in 50 years when average longevity will be 120, such youngsters would be the norm.
To be fair, while Trump is almost as old as Uncle Joe chronologically, mentally and physically Biden is way farther over the hill.
There is a danger that Joe is so far over the hill he can no longer recognize what age has done to him.
I watched a HIGNFY on the BBC this past weekend. One of the jokes about Biden's campaign announcement was that when he goes to sleep at night, Jill puts coins on his eyelids just in case.
LOL. Again, I don't use that lightly. I did laugh out loud :-) And I loved Papa's comment: "Gotta love the Democrats version of Democracy." They keep throwing around the idea that Republicans are out to destroy democracy while doing much more dangerous things like censoring the opposition and outright lying to the American people. Watch this short exchange between a reporter and the Press Secretary. She accuses him of being dramatic when he asks her to clarify her previous statement, all the while being the drama queen and cutting him off, refusing to clarify. When will the general public get sick of this crap?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3JzW...
Still hoping some new candidates will emerge to prevent Senility versus Sexual Predator as the competition.As for press spokespeople perhaps we are forgetting previous ones in the last administration well known for their accurate responses when they weren't refusing admission to multiple reporters.
Philip wrote: "Still hoping some new candidates will emerge to prevent Senility versus Sexual Predator as the competition."The stable of RNC hopefuls is still testing the waters.
The DNC is actively suppressing other Democrats who have declared.
The Libertarians, Greens, etc. won't name anyone until next year.
I watched Nikki Haley on a Sunday news program today, and I liked her. Sensible, measured responses to questions. I still like DeSantis, who's done such a great job in Florida that people are leaving New York and other Democrat states to move there. Can anyone explain why he's not the chosen one?
Scout wrote: "I watched Nikki Haley on a Sunday news program today, and I liked her. Sensible, measured responses to questions. I still like DeSantis, who's done such a great job in Florida that people are leavi..."Not seen anything on Nikki Haley in UK reporting - I’ll take a look. Seen stuff I don’t understand on DeSantis spat with Disney. Is DeSantis appearing better than Trump/Biden? Probably although I’d still disagree with some of his actions. Don’t know about NY or other migration as Florida has been net immigration for decades or did that drop in previous governor excluding COVID. People been retiring there for years. May have to research numbers to see.
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I worry about Trump from this point. He r..."
The short answer is yes. It is a bit more complicated. How did he react the first time when he lost? More importantly, if he loses, does his people jump over or do they stay home. If he loses and says stay home, do enough stay home and cost them the election? He probably cannot win, but can cause a disruption in any close election.
Yhe one caveat for me is if he gets indicted. If it comes across as a political hit, I think all bets are off. If it comes across as a proper exercise, all bets are off again, but for very different reasons. A political hit will anger people and they can raise the temperature and cause people to come out and back him. If it is a proper cause, then it opens to door wider for the Republicans to charge in on Joe and his son. I do not think Joe has done anything illegal, but I am willing to bet large amounts of money that it is every bit as shady as one expects and I think Hunter is going to be in trouble, which again hurts Joe.