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Want to talk about the 2024 election? Possible candidates? Platforms? Predictions?
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Apr 11, 2024 09:21PM
Biden hosts a state dinner for Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida. Former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, actor Robert DeNiro, and billionaire Jeff Bezos were all on the guest list. Paul Simon entertained. They were served dry-aged ribeye steak. Meanwhile, Trump makes a surprise visit to Atlanta's Chik-fil-A and buys customers chicken and shakes. I know this was a political move by Trump, but are the optics effective?
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Scout wrote: "Biden hosts a state dinner for Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida. Former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, actor Robert DeNiro, and billionaire Jeff Bezos were ..."I doubt it. It's too early and people won't remember little things like this, but you might have an effective ad showing Biden hobnobbing with the elite and contrast it with stock images of exasperated families and pictures of homeless camps to send the message that he's out of touch.
J. wrote: "The Trump Strikes Backhttps://youtu.be/Apd0weMUv3s?si=UM3Ln..."
He is so full of it, and seriously out of touch with any form of reality. Talk about a clear and present danger to the nation.
my opinion - ymmv. and before you attack.. I am not a Dem.
Saying that "He is so full of it" without responding to what he said and giving proof to the contrary is a cheap shot. If you want to be taken seriously, respond to what he said, point by point, and prove he's wrong and is a danger to our nation.
If Tulsi wants to be Donald's running mate but Donald picks the woman who shot the puppy instead, Donald deserves to lose.
Tulsi might be aiming at 2028. Neither of these two are likely to run then, so she can pick which party she thinks will have her
Ian wrote: "Tulsi might be aiming at 2028. Neither of these two are likely to run then, so she can pick which party she thinks will have her"That's an interesting point.
But will the US still have multi-party elections in 2028?
Kristi Noem calls dog shooting report ‘fake news’ but insists on need to kill animalhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/a...
Scout wrote: "Saying that "He is so full of it" without responding to what he said and giving proof to the contrary is a cheap shot. If you want to be taken seriously, respond to what he said, point by point, an...""my opinion - ymmv. ... "
I am not in the habit of justifying my own opinion, especially when I've made it clear it IS an opinion and ymmv. I am open to discussion but I am far too busy, and no longer in school, to accept homework.
Trump has made himself clear in his own speeches. Furthermore if you read Project 2025 (avaliable on the web to read), a good part of the basis on which he, and those of the same ilk, plan to do during another presidency, it makes it even clearer what his intentions are regarding the dismantling of our Republic.
If you wish to discuss certain points, make them.
and...
Scout wrote: "Who shot a puppy?"
Kristi Noem, governor of S. Dakota. Apparently a 14 month old puppy (Cricket) who was "having the time of her life [that day]" (direct quote) deserved being killed, instead of being understood as a still being puppy and needing further training to be able to discern between different birds*. According to the excerpt I read she also killed a goat in the same gravel pit.
This next part is my opinion, and only mine. (figured I needed to make that utterly clear)
The fact Noem allowed her loose with chickens who were wandering free (in what seems like it was immediately after a hunting exercise) and then blames the dog for being a very young and barely trained dog, is owner error. The dog should not have been killed for it, appropriately disciplined perhaps, but this is the fault of the human not the dog. (from the situation described)
Graeme wrote: "Ian wrote: "Tulsi ..."That's an interesting point.
But will the US still have multi-party elections in 2028?"
I hope so.
Although multi-party might be stretching it. For the most part we only have two parties (Republican and Democrat) who are actually in the mix Federally. We have plenty of other parties of varying stripes but they don't have a large enough following (in my opinion) to really make a difference on the national stage. Statewise and locally that may play out differently.
My point was that Tulsihas democrat heritage until she ran into trouble with the Clintons and the DNC, but since then she has been making some comments that could be GOP. In principle she could land in either major party. (Or neither if the bosses don't like her.)
Ian wrote: "My point was that Tulsihas democrat heritage until she ran into trouble with the Clintons and the DNC, but since then she has been making some comments that could be GOP. In principle she could lan..."Ian,
I need to brush up on her, but my overall impression is she has been a republican wearing a demoratic cover, much like Kristin Sinema. If (and I stress IF) that is the case, she won't be accepted by the democratic and/or independent voters.
I read an article in the last few weeks about how (apparently) British politicians (Parliment only?) can trade parties (Labour vs. Tories), but in the US it doesn't work, why, and how that change is reflected in the electorate. The article was likely in the Guardian, possibly Reuters, but I don't have the url to hand at the moment. Will find it and return to post that link. I hope I can find it, I know I didn't save that url. *crosses fingers*
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Kiri, I'm from GB. Politicians can change parties inside or outside Parliament. It's certainly not an everyday occurrence but it does happen once in a while. Winston Churchill did it twice! A little known Conservative MP switched to Labour last week.
Re Tulsi, I think I know where she's coming from because it's the position I'm at too. She's an old school Democrat, i.e. she's clearly to the left of a Republican economically, and slightly to the left of them in terms of social policy.
However, as the Dems have moved way to the left on social policy (since they became 'progressive'), they have alienated some former supporters who are, relatively speaking, quite socially conservative, so now probably have more in common with many Republicans overall.
I gather Tulsi's old school Democrat stance, while now unpopular with well-heeled Democrats, on say the East Coast, is still normal Democrat thinking in places like the Rust Belt.
There's been a similar situation develop in the UK. Many traditional Labour areas, particularly in the North of England and Midlands, switched to the Conservatives in the last election because they thought Labour had abandoned their traditional values in favour of fashionable progressive ideology. They viewed them as a 'metropolitan elite', obsessed with liberal ideas and out of touch with ordinary working people's concerns.
Ironically, after the appalling job the Conservatives have done over the last few years, some will switch back at the next election, while others will look to smaller, fringe parties. However, I suspect the majority will just not bother to vote.
Re Tulsi, I think I know where she's coming from because it's the position I'm at too. She's an old school Democrat, i.e. she's clearly to the left of a Republican economically, and slightly to the left of them in terms of social policy.
However, as the Dems have moved way to the left on social policy (since they became 'progressive'), they have alienated some former supporters who are, relatively speaking, quite socially conservative, so now probably have more in common with many Republicans overall.
I gather Tulsi's old school Democrat stance, while now unpopular with well-heeled Democrats, on say the East Coast, is still normal Democrat thinking in places like the Rust Belt.
There's been a similar situation develop in the UK. Many traditional Labour areas, particularly in the North of England and Midlands, switched to the Conservatives in the last election because they thought Labour had abandoned their traditional values in favour of fashionable progressive ideology. They viewed them as a 'metropolitan elite', obsessed with liberal ideas and out of touch with ordinary working people's concerns.
Ironically, after the appalling job the Conservatives have done over the last few years, some will switch back at the next election, while others will look to smaller, fringe parties. However, I suspect the majority will just not bother to vote.
For Kiri (and anyone else who's interested in this disparity between old and new Labour/ Democrat thinking), I recommend reading a book called 'Despised', by Paul Embery.
Apologies, can't link to the Goodreads book link thingie on my phone.
Apologies, can't link to the Goodreads book link thingie on my phone.
Here's the Amazon link:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Despised-Mod...
Scout, got a feeling you might like this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Despised-Mod...
Scout, got a feeling you might like this.
Graeme wrote: "Ian wrote: "Tulsi might be aiming at 2028. Neither of these two are likely to run then, so she can pick which party she thinks will have her"That's an interesting point.
But will the US still ha..."
We always have and we always will.
Papaphilly wrote: "We always have and we always will."There are so many banana republic tactics being used by American politicians that I refuse to say, "That will never happen here "
Beau, the title certainly appeals. Despised: Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class
Scout wrote: "Beau, the title certainly appeals. Despised: Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class"Why the modern administrative state loathes the working class....
Ohh... they are of course the same...
J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "We always have and we always will."There are so many banana republic tactics being used by American politicians that I refuse to say, "That will never happen here ""
We have certainly been through worse and this too shall pass.
Oh you crazy Americans...Those of you in other countries I ask you this... would Trump have a cat's chance in hell of being elected where you live?
He wouldn't even get on Pauline Hanson's card in Australia. I honestly can't believe anyone takes him seriously.
Here's a proper politician for you. The lead singer in this band became a minister in the Australian parliament in 2010.Play very loud.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=co...
Like him or loathe him, Trump is box office. He annihilated the other GOP candidates without even debating them. And he is even more popular outside the Western world than within it. He would be a nailed on certainty to win a prime ministerial or presidential election in most other countries.
Do I politically align with him? No, but I admire his tenacity and think he's been the victim of a witch hunt.
Furthermore, as Biden is no longer properly functioning, and won't be functioning at all in a couple of years time, the DNC are effectively asking the American public to write them a blank cheque because nobody really knows who will be in charge when Biden finally short circuits.
If it's VP Harris or Newsom (because that's who it's looking like), I would take Trump over either of them every single day of the week.
That said, I would take RFK Jr over Trump every time too.
Do I politically align with him? No, but I admire his tenacity and think he's been the victim of a witch hunt.
Furthermore, as Biden is no longer properly functioning, and won't be functioning at all in a couple of years time, the DNC are effectively asking the American public to write them a blank cheque because nobody really knows who will be in charge when Biden finally short circuits.
If it's VP Harris or Newsom (because that's who it's looking like), I would take Trump over either of them every single day of the week.
That said, I would take RFK Jr over Trump every time too.
Totally wrong Beau.In Australia Trump would be a complete laughing stock.
Indeed, he is a laughing stock in Australia. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
No need to apologise to me, Adrian. I don't have any sort of personal attachment to him. I don't wear a MAGA baseball cap or hang on every word he says.
If I was American, I'd vote for RFK Jr. And if the DNC was run by Tulsi Gabbard and like-minded politicians, I'd WITHOUT QUESTION vote for them too. But RFK is a longshot and the DNC is no longer a place for old school Democrats, so it's time for some realpolitik...
This election is looking like Trump vs blank cheque progressivism (if Trump's allowed to stand), which is why I'm nailing my colours to his mast. He is a useful ally in preventing the collective West's Harakiri, as it descends into a 'progressive', globalist, totalitarian hellscape, under its current evil and incompetent leadership.
I can well imagine many Aussies laughing at him. Canadians probably do too. I'd say Brits are split - depends who you talk to.
But we in the Anglosphere are in a minority. The rest of the world seems to prefer him to Biden by quite some distance. I can see why.
If I was American, I'd vote for RFK Jr. And if the DNC was run by Tulsi Gabbard and like-minded politicians, I'd WITHOUT QUESTION vote for them too. But RFK is a longshot and the DNC is no longer a place for old school Democrats, so it's time for some realpolitik...
This election is looking like Trump vs blank cheque progressivism (if Trump's allowed to stand), which is why I'm nailing my colours to his mast. He is a useful ally in preventing the collective West's Harakiri, as it descends into a 'progressive', globalist, totalitarian hellscape, under its current evil and incompetent leadership.
I can well imagine many Aussies laughing at him. Canadians probably do too. I'd say Brits are split - depends who you talk to.
But we in the Anglosphere are in a minority. The rest of the world seems to prefer him to Biden by quite some distance. I can see why.
Meanwhile in Australia over the past few years, crippling economic policies, an attempt to disenfranchise voters in the name of equity, and PM Elbow trying to institute a censorship regime because of that evil Elon's mean and hurtful memes about him.
J (and Adrian), I don't even know what organisations like the Dems, Australian Labour and UK Labour stand for anymore.
They certainly don't stand for helping out the little guy or improving public services because they always cut taxes for the well off, paying for it by increasing indirect taxation on those who can least afford it and leaving public services to decline.
As for promoting any sense of community cohesion - forget it. They seek to divide and rule, and are only interested in mentioing their own nation state when it comes to unearthing wrong doings from 200 years ago.
Make no mistake about it, a vote for the mainstream left in the West is now a vote for the establishment blob.
They certainly don't stand for helping out the little guy or improving public services because they always cut taxes for the well off, paying for it by increasing indirect taxation on those who can least afford it and leaving public services to decline.
As for promoting any sense of community cohesion - forget it. They seek to divide and rule, and are only interested in mentioing their own nation state when it comes to unearthing wrong doings from 200 years ago.
Make no mistake about it, a vote for the mainstream left in the West is now a vote for the establishment blob.
The result from one of the many elections being held this year.Putin begins his fifth term as president, more in control of Russia than ever
https://abcnews.go.com/International/...
J. wrote: "Meanwhile in Australia over the past few years, crippling economic policies, an attempt to disenfranchise voters in the name of equity, and PM Elbow trying to institute a censorship regime because ..."Where do you get these ideas from? Oz is very far from economically crippled - we're in pretty robust shape in fact. We are required to vote - it's compulsory. And if Elon wants to do business in Australia then he has to observe our rules. Are you telling me the US doesn't have any form of censorship? Then why does the US want to prosecute Assange?
Here's something to chew on that came to me while reading the population thread...
If it was suddenly announced that there would be one world government, that every adult had one vote, and the two candidates were Biden and Putin, then Putin would win hands down.
If the election was voted on using the projected population in ten years time, his margin of victory would be even greater. Twenty years time, greater still.
Anybody care to dispute this?
If it was suddenly announced that there would be one world government, that every adult had one vote, and the two candidates were Biden and Putin, then Putin would win hands down.
If the election was voted on using the projected population in ten years time, his margin of victory would be even greater. Twenty years time, greater still.
Anybody care to dispute this?
Putin
Clear wins:
1. The Russian Federation
2. China
3. The Middle East
4. Other non-militant Islamic areas
Likely other wins:
1. Africa
2. Indian sub continent
3. South America
Biden
Clear wins:
1. The collective West
2. Eastern Europe
Likely other wins:
-
Central Europe split.
Over to you, Adrian.
Clear wins:
1. The Russian Federation
2. China
3. The Middle East
4. Other non-militant Islamic areas
Likely other wins:
1. Africa
2. Indian sub continent
3. South America
Biden
Clear wins:
1. The collective West
2. Eastern Europe
Likely other wins:
-
Central Europe split.
Over to you, Adrian.
OK, let's look at my statements.First up, economics. I leave discussion of the impacts of Coof policies to Graeme. I'll focus on real estate because that is where I see the biggest bubble. That bubble is the escalation of prices due to the purchase of investment properties by Chinese nationals which has been encouraged by the Australian government. The policy boosted segment valuation faster than inflation, hence the bubble. But it has created a nightmare scenario.
To understand this nightmare, we need to look at the rates of home ownership by Australians. Pay attention to two numbers, the percentage of Australians near or past retirement age who still owe money on their homes and the rate of home purchase by Australians aged 25-35.
Declining home ownership rates in Australia
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliame...
So the number of retirees who are still in debt is going up. And the number of young families who are buying a home in the burbs is going down. This means that Australians will have to stay in the workforce longer, reducing the chances for younger Australians to advance in their careers. Parents won't be getting those raises which allow them to pay for kids. And those parents are waiting to later in life to start families, because they can't afford the floor space. With the delay in starting families, each generation will have mortgage debt in later life. They'll stay on the job longer. This will hold back younger workers, who will be forced to delay starting families even longer. You see where this is going?
Voter disenfranchisement:
Australians decide against creating a way for Indigenous people to advise Parliament
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/au...
Aren't Australian aborigines already full citizens of Australia, with all of the rights and responsibilities commensurate with citizenship? Do you think the motion might have failed because it would create a special class who have extra rights?
PM Elbow's hissy fit over Musk's memes:
Say all you want about American hypocrisy with regard to free speech. I do. That doesn't doesn't absolve your PM of being called a whiny brat when he throws a fit over an edge lord calling him out.
Adrian wrote: "Here's a proper politician for you. The lead singer in this band became a minister in the Australian parliament in 2010.Play very loud.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=co......"
And promptly sold the working class out with the pink-batts scheme.
I don't know what the situation on home ownership is in Australia, but I suspect it is similar to here. J has noted symptoms, but the disease is worse. Here we have the problem that too many of the regulators of property are property investors, maybe on a small scale, but they set the rules to favour themselves. Then we have a Green element that does not want to expand the areas of the cities (fair enough) but they won't legislate to increase densification. After all, someone putting a high-rise adjacent to their property devalues it.Basically, the housing crisis here is through decades of legislation forbidding new builds, and the taxation favouring land banking.
I had to look up the "pink-batts scheme".Home insulation inquiry: Peter Garrett takes 'ultimate responsibility'
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/feder...
He took "ultimate responsibility" by blaming it all on Rudd?
How is he coping with the disgrace?
Peter Garrett’s only regret in politics: I wish I’d got in earlier and stayed longer
https://www.smh.com.au/culture/music/...
Millions wasted, homes burned, and people dead, but his only regret is not being in politics longer...
I would ask how he sleeps at night, but I'm certain he drifts off swaddled in Egyptian cotton linens, after spending the day talking about how he is a "man of the people".
Adrian wrote: "Totally wrong Beau.In Australia Trump would be a complete laughing stock.
Indeed, he is a laughing stock in Australia. Sorry, but that's the way it is."
Laughing at Trump with the Windsors as your ruling family is something I will take with a grain of salt...
To clarify, "the Windsors as your ruling family" hardly qualifies for a grain of salt. Here they are harmless; the don't do anything, we hardly ever see them, they cost near enough to nothing, and they save us the embarrassment and cost of the antics of Presidents.The replacement here is a Governor-General who does not govern, but fills ceremonial roles, and is appointed and by tradition the appointment is someone non-political and who is widely respected.
Trump cannot be compared.
Hey, Adrian. You say nothing about Biden, who is our only other choice. If you criticize Trump and think he's the worst choice, please explain how Biden is the better choice. Is he strong? Is he mentally capable? What has he done as president to prove his worth? Is the world better off since he's been president? Do you think he's the one making decisions? Can you explain why he cowardly turns his back and walks away from any questions by the press? If you ridicule Trump, then what's your defense of Biden? Do you have one, crazy Australian :-)
It is hardly Australia's fault that the US has such a dynamic choice
Powerful post, in response to Adrian, J.
Apparently Elbow has another nickname - Airbus, because of his penchant for taking private jets everywhere. Probably to conferences on the climate emergency.
Apparently Elbow has another nickname - Airbus, because of his penchant for taking private jets everywhere. Probably to conferences on the climate emergency.
Beau, you keep assuming putler is popular anywhere. I even made a vote for you. If they had real elections in russia I doubt very, very much putler would’ve won even there
Nik, the election might not have been vigorously contested but he still won a secret ballot. If Russians didn't want him, they could've spoilt their ballot papers or voted for a non entity.
I'm not passing judgement on the rights and wrongs of Putin being more popular globally than Biden, I'm just issuing a wake up call to those who think West = World. Our views do not always align with theirs.
I'm not passing judgement on the rights and wrongs of Putin being more popular globally than Biden, I'm just issuing a wake up call to those who think West = World. Our views do not always align with theirs.
J. wrote: "Orville Redenbacher and José Cuervo or Jack Daniels?"Cuervo when it's hot out, JD anytime. =)
A good Sangria wouldn't hurt either.
Ian wrote: "To clarify, "the Windsors as your ruling family" hardly qualifies for a grain of salt. Here they are harmless; the don't do anything, we hardly ever see them, they cost near enough to nothing, and ..."OK Ian,
Try this one, Coming from a country with more sheep than people I will take with a grain of salt.
OK Papa, you will take what with a grain of salt? Roast lamb?
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