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NancyJ wrote: "dalex wrote: "It's actually from this year, Poll 5. It was polarizing so it could be resubmitted."It's weird that I don't remember it from this year. "
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dalex wrote: "NancyJ wrote: "Read a book set in the Tropics, between 23 degrees N and 23 degree S latitudes."Is there a list available of countries that would count? I don't know that I want to sit and examine..."
Country
Area Located In Tropics
Algeria Partial
Angola Full
Antigua and Barbuda Full
Argentina Partial
Aruba Full
Australia Partial
Bahamas Partial
Bangladesh Partial
Barbados Full
Belize Full
Benin Full
Bolivia Partial
Botswana Partial
Brazil Partial
British Virgin Islands Full
Burkina Faso Full
Burundi Full
Cambodia Full
Cameroon Full
Cape Verde Full
Central African Republic Full
Chad Full
Chile Partial
China Partial
Colombia Full
Comoros Full
Costa Rica Full
Cuba Full
Djibouti Full
Dominica Full
Dominican Republic Full
DR Congo Full
Ecuador Full
Egypt Partial
El Salvador Full
Equatorial Guinea Full
Eritrea Full
Ethiopia Full
Fiji Full
French Guiana Full
Gabon Full
Gambia Full
Ghana Full
Grenada Full
Guadeloupe Full
Guatemala Full
Guinea Full
Guinea Bissau Full
Guyana Full
Haiti Full
Honduras Full
India Partial
Indonesia Full
Ivory Coast Full
Jamaica Full
Kenya Full
Kiribati Full
Laos Full
Liberia Full
Libya Partial
Madagascar Partial
Malawi Full
Malaysia Full
Maldives Full
Mali Full
Marshall Islands Full
Martinique Full
Mauritania Full
Mauritius Full
Mexico Partial
Micronesia Full
Mozambique Partial
Myanmar Partial
Namibia Partial
Nauru Full
Nicaragua Full
Niger Full
Nigeria Full
Oman Partial
Palau Full
Panama Full
Papua New Guinea Full
Paraguay Partial
Peru Full
Philippines Full
Republic of the Congo Full
Rwanda Full
Saint Kitts and Nevis Full
Saint Lucia Full
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Full
Samoa Full
Sao Tome and Principe Full
Saudi Arabia Partial
Senegal Full
Seychelles Full
Sierra Leone Full
Singapore Full
Solomon Islands Full
Somalia Full
South Africa Partial
South Sudan Full
Sri Lanka Full
Sudan Full
Suriname Full
Taiwan Partial
Tanzania Full
Thailand Full
Togo Full
Tonga Full
Trinidad and Tobago Full
Tuvalu Full
Uganda Full
United Arab Emirates Partial
United States Partial
United States Virgin Islands Full
Vanuatu Full
Venezuela Full
Vietnam Full
Western Sahara Partial
Yemen Full
Zambia Full
Zimbabwe Partial
dalex wrote: "NancyJ wrote: "dalex wrote: "It's actually from this year, Poll 5. It was polarizing so it could be resubmitted."It's weird that I don't remember it from this year. "
https://www.goodreads.com/t..."
That explains it. I was distracted by all the new and shiny prompts.
I would be excited by the Zodiac prompt (although I also cannot remember it at all from this year) even though I'm not generally an astrology person, I think you could approach it in a lot of interesting ways. Reminds me a bit of the tarot prompt from this year, which I had a lot of fun thinking through!I wouldn't vote for the Enneagram prompt, but I also probably wouldn't downvote it and would be fine if it got in. I don't really believe with that sort of thing, and I'm a little wary that so many things around it seem to want me to spend money, but... I did do the test and got number 8 (The Challenger), which seems pretty accurate to my personality actually. I must admit that I do have a few spreadsheets assigning characters from romance novels Hogwarts houses and DnD alignments (the nerdiest sentence I have ever typed online), so I suppose I could just approach it along those lines.
Nadine in NY wrote: "Opening it up to all enneagram types means "read a book with a character" - in other words, ANY novel will fit. I'd be okay with a category that is "read a novel" but I wouldn't be excited about it..."I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure how this differs from read a book "about one of the twelve astrological signs" - everyone is one of the twelve. Yes, you can use the symbols, but you can also find a book about a peacemaker, reformer, helper, loyalist, etc.
NancyJ wrote: "But like Emily said, it would be hard to do in advance...."I think it would be fairly easy once we start compiling the Listopias. The people adding books to it could put the "type" in the comments. Also, you would not have to actually know a true "type" you could go based on the labels. I think it is pretty easy to find a book about one of the following:
Reformer, Helper, Achiever, Individualist, Investigator, Loyalist, Enthusiast, Challenger, Peacemaker
I am just trying to make a case for it since it is such an unusual prompt. You would not have to take a test or disclose any personal info.
Joy D wrote: "I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure how this differs from read a book "about one of the twelve astrological signs" - everyone is one of the twelve. Yes, you can use the symbols, but you can also find a book about a peacemaker, reformer, helper, loyalist, etc."The enneagram one is a character prompt. You have to be able to figure out what type a character is. The astrological one is "related to" so you can apply it a million different ways - character, title, cover, theme, etc.
dalex wrote: "How about "a book related to the Wizard of Oz (book/movie) or the Land of Oz (Australia)"?"I like this idea. I would definitely pick Australia. I would probably downvote "Wizard of Oz" (movie/book) - no books on my TBR have anything to do with this and I dislike books about witches. Of course, I could always make it work if it wins - a non-fiction book about lions, for example.
RachelG. wrote: "Algeria PartialAngola Full
Antigua and Barbuda Full
Argentina Partial
Aruba Full..."
What about the "partial" countries? How do we know which part is tropical? And how do we know if the book is set in the tropical part or somewhere else in the country?
If the W awards doesn’t make it in, I really liked the Australia awards prompt. Can’t remember if it fell under close call, polarizing or no designation.
Joy D wrote: "Nadine in NY wrote: "Opening it up to all enneagram types means "read a book with a character" - in other words, ANY novel will fit. I'd be okay with a category that is "read a novel" but I wouldn'...... I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure how this differs from read a book "about one of the twelve astrological signs" "
LOL!!! I don't like that one either, though!
dalex wrote: "Joy D wrote: "I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure how this differs from read a book "about one of the twelve astrological signs" - everyone is one of the twelve. Yes, you can use th..."You could just change the wording to "related to" instead of "about" on the Enneagram prompt.
But I agree that it is unlikely to get voted in since it is not something everyone is familiar with.
just to put my two cents in on the zodiac. here are the back stories for western astrology symbols.The origins of Western Astrology come from the ancient Babylonian and Mesopotamian as well as Sumerian and Egyptian, but here are the mythological origins from the Greek.
Aries -- Ram of the Golden Fleece
Taurus -- Europa's ravishment by Zeus
Gemini -- the twins Castor and Pollux
Cancer -- Hera's giant crab sent to attack Hercules during the battle with the Hydra
Leo -- the Nemean Lion
Virgo -- goddess of purity and innocence, Astraea. Last to return to the heavens when Pandora opened the box and is associated with Dike, goddess of justice
Libra -- scales of Themis, goddess of divine justice
Scorpio -- the scorpion that killed Orion
Sagittarius -- Chiron the centaur
Capricorn -- goat Amalthea who fed the infant Zeus or Pan
Aquarius -- Ganymede
Pisces -- Aphrodite and Eros (turning themselves into fish) to escape the titan Typhon.
Alicia wrote: "If the W awards doesn’t make it in, I really liked the Australia awards prompt. Can’t remember if it fell under close call, polarizing or no designation."it should be listed here:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Siobhan wrote: "I would be excited by the Zodiac prompt (although I also cannot remember it at all from this year) even though I'm not generally an astrology person, I think you could approach it in a lot of inter..."I love the nerdy sentences!!!
BTW, I don't think there is a risk with this quiz, but... I should remind people that whenever you complete a free personality quiz online, there is a risk that your answers are going into a database that will help political or other marketers direct the most effective ads to you. If you were on Facebook before the 2016 presidential election or the Brexit vote, you probably got targeted ads. There are many quizzes that sounds innocuous - such as "Which Little Women Character are you?" - but they have Big Five personality questions embedded in them. The worst ads (stories) went to people whose tests (or other indicators) showed more emotionality or neuroticism. Those ads were designed to elevate your fear or outrage about EU or Mexican immigrants, liberals, or fake stories such as Hilary's supposed sex club at a pizzeria. (Actually I'm not sure if that last one was linked to Steve Bannon or the Russians.)
dalex wrote: "RachelG. wrote: "Algeria PartialAngola Full
Antigua and Barbuda Full
Argentina Partial
Aruba Full..."
What about the "partial" countries? How do we know which part is tropical? And how do we know..."
i say if the country is named in the list. go for it despite if the book takes place outside the line. i feel it's okay to fudge it a bit on this one.
dalex wrote: "RachelG. wrote: "Algeria PartialAngola Full
Antigua and Barbuda Full
Argentina Partial
Aruba Full..."
What about the "partial" countries? How do we know which part is tropical? And how do we know..."
that's up to each reader, isn't it? I feel comfortable deciding if the country is sufficiently in the tropics to count or not. Each person can decide for themselves.
Alicia wrote: "If the W awards doesn’t make it in, I really liked the Australia awards prompt. Can’t remember if it fell under close call, polarizing or no designation."It was no designation, poll 7.
RachelG. wrote: "dalex wrote: "NancyJ wrote: "Read a book set in the Tropics, between 23 degrees N and 23 degree S latitudes."Is there a list available of countries that would count? I don't know that I want to s..."
Wow, thank you Rachel!!! This helps a lot. I think we'll find many blogs, listopias, or tag lists that will help too. I'll probably end up focusing more on books that have tropical or hot weather related tags or words in the descriptions. It helps me to look at the map.
I agree with Nadine that people can ultimately decide for themselves, or ask for other opinions if they're not sure. I'm going to focus on areas close to the equator initially. FYI, according to the map, Hawaii is in tropics but the rest of the US States are not. Only small parts of China are in the region, so I'd ignore those books on my TBR for now, unless a specific book (e.g. from a southern island) came up on a lot of lists. Australia has some regions that clearly fit (many of those books are by Jane Harper), and others that don't.
I think we'll find many blogs, listopias or tag lists that will help guide us too.
ADDED - I started looking, and there are a ton of lists. (I'd ignore the one with all the the North and South Carolina books.)
I have always wondered how people figure out things like Enneagram and Myers-Briggs. I see all the acronyms all the time, but have no clue how people know they are and INJK or ABCD or whatever. 😂
Michelle, there are online quizzes you can take to find out.
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Mandy wrote: "dalex wrote: "RachelG. wrote: "Algeria PartialWhat about the "partial" countries? How do we know which part
is tropical? And ..."
The Equator Tropics Map is the most helpful. It shows the countries closest to the equator, and shows the lines for the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn.
The largest countries that straddle the lines:
US - only Hawaii and Puerto Rico are tropical
Australia - only the north half of the continent
China - only the southern edge
The primary tropical regions are
Southeast Asia
Central America and most of the Caribbean (plus Hawaii, half of Mexico)
South America - Northern half, Rain forests
Africa - The central core of the continent
Australia - Northern half
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The Americas:
US: Only Hawaii and Puerto Rico are tropical.
Mexico: The Southern half is tropical.
Caribbean: Most islands, except islands north of Cuba
Central America: All
South America: Most of countries are Tropical. But Uruguay, Chile and Argentina are mostly NOT tropical.
Australia: The north is tropical - very hot. The southern half is not tropical. (Sydney's summer is cooler than New York City's summer. )
Asia:
Southeast Asia is tropical:
- Mainland: Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Peninsular Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam.
- Malay Archipelago, comprising Brunei, East Malaysia, East Timor, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Singapore.
China: Only the southern edge. (See map)
India: The southern half (or more) is tropical, including Mumbai (see map)
Other islands might fit
Africa: See maps. The Equator runs across the middle of the country, and at least half the countries are tropical.
Tropics would be an automatic downvote for me at this point because I'm completely burnt out on geographic prompts.I like the Enneagram prompt in theory, but I don't think I'd vote for it (and may even downvote it) because it seems very difficult to put into practice. I wouldn't even begin to know how to fit characters into the types. I do find these kinds of quizzes so interesting though!
Thanks Jillian. Any online quizzes I have seen have cost money and I am too cheap. 😂. I think I do have a book about enneagrams on my TBR, though. I could read it for a prompt related to these concepts.
Michelle, I have only used free ones. I avoid the ones that cost since I just do them for fun.
As I’m watching Serena in her final tournament, I’m thinking of different prompts. A book related to a game, set or match - it could be about tennis, a different, set of twins, romantic match. The negative with this is we already had a prompt about a game this year.
A book related to a set or match - actually my favorite. same options as above and I think it would still include games since tennis matches are ultimately games. I just didn’t know if people would think it’s weird to not include “game”
How about a character based on the archetypes. The Innocent, Everyman, Hero, Outlaw, Explorer, Creator, Ruler, Magician, Lover, Caregiver, Jester, and Sage
Search Masterclass and literary archetypes to find definitions and examples.
And these by Joseph Campbell.
1. Hero
2. Mentor
3. Ally
4. Herald
5. Trickster
6. Shapeshifter
7. Guardian
8. Shadow
Search Joseph Campbell and archetypes for definitions and examples.
I’m on my iPad so it’s difficult to copy all the info to here.
Alicia wrote: "As I’m watching Serena in her final tournament, I’m thinking of different prompts. A book related to a game, set or match - it could be about tennis, a different, set of twins, romantic match. Th..."
From Idioms by the Free Dictionary:
"game, set, (and) match. A phrase said at the end of a tennis match (which consists of games and sets) that can be used humorously in any situation in which someone is victorious or triumphant."
I like the full phrase better, because it's familiar and it has an upbeat connotation. When you say it just right (with a punctuated rhythm), it has a certain flair. Depending on how you worded the prompt, someone might be able to read a book related to one of the words, OR related to the meaning of the entire phrase. They might read a book in which someone is victorious, or the final triumphant book of an epic series.
I think it sounds a little better with "and," but it might make people think they had to read something about the "whole" phrase rather than one of the parts.
Mandy wrote: "How about a character based on the archetypes. The Innocent, Everyman, Hero, Outlaw, Explorer, Creator, Ruler, Magician, Lover, Caregiver, Jester, and Sage
And these:
1. Hero
2. Mentor
3. Ally
..."
I sort of like the idea of archetypes, but these two sets don't have any particular meaning to me as groups. Are they related to a specific mythology, tarot, or fantasy construct? Trickster sounds like a supernatural or fae character. The teacher in me can imagine these types taught in a creative writing class.
Yeah I know it’s originally “and” but I would read that as having to include all 3, which is why I thought “or” would be clearer. Then you can still do all 3, or just one. But I get it’s also annoying because it’s not the right phrasing. Also love the victorious, triumphant interpretation as well.
I like game, set or match! I would not want to eliminate "game" since I love reading about different types of games.I would also vote for the "tropics" prompt. I always enjoy geographical prompts. I love reading about our world. Each year, I set a goal to read a book set in at least 24 different countries (preferably by an author from that country).
Another idea:A book related to a geometric shape
examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk, Torus
- Could be a word in a title
- Or a shape depicted on the cover
- Or a setting like The Pentagon, Egyptian pyramids, The Louvre, Trafalgar Square, Union Square, Tiananman Square, Red Square, Times Square, Main Market Square, obelisk as a link to the monument in Washington D.C.)
- A topic such as a Love Triangle, Closed Circle Mystery
- A representation of the shape (a sphere could represent the earth or other planet, or an octagon could represent a stop sign, an oval could be an egg, a cylinder could be a grain silo, torus could be a doughnut or toroidal spaceship)
- Shape-related places: a football field, soccer pitch, drum circle
- Other shapes: hearts, crosses, stars, crescent moons, and arrows would open it up to a lot more topics (romances, religious books, Hollywood, etc)
Note: I am editing this post to include ideas suggested below so I can copy it to the suggestion thread if it has enough support.
Michelle wrote: "I have always wondered how people figure out things like Enneagram and Myers-Briggs. I see all the acronyms all the time, but have no clue how people know they are and INJK or ABCD or whatever. 😂"There are quite a few popular books that give you everything you
need, and there are many free tests online for the MBTI.
Books:
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You: Using Personality Insights to Work and Live Effectively with Others
Type Talk: The 16 Personality Types That Determine How We Live, Love, and Work
Type Talk at Work: How the 16 Personality Types Determine Your Success on the Job
Please Understand Me II: Temperament, Character, Intelligence
You can get full profile sheets for any MBTI type on hundreds of educational sites online, as well as very brief descriptions.
Joy D wrote: "Another idea:A book related to a geometric shape
examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk
- Could be ..."
Oh I like this a lot. A pyramid makes me think of the Louvre museum. There are a couple books set there, and probably books about art in their collection. The Pentagon or Obelisk could link to a Washington DC book on power or politics. Breast and Eggs sounds weird but worth a try.
Joy D wrote: "Another idea:A book related to a geometric shape
examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk ..."
There are closed circle mysteries too.
Joy D wrote: "Another idea:A book related to a geometric shape
examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk
- Could be ..."
Joy, I really love this prompt! It's kind of quirky, isn't a prompt I've seen suggested before (nor is it a variation of one we've had), and I love that it offers a choice! I find the examples you gave really clever since I wouldn't have thought to use a book with a love triangle for a shape-related prompt!
Edit: Just saw Ellie's comment and closed circle is another really awesome creative interpretation of the shape prompt!
NancyJ wrote: "Mandy wrote: "How about a character based on the archetypes. The Innocent, Everyman, Hero, Outlaw, Explorer, Creator, Ruler, Magician, Lover, Caregiver, Jester, and Sage"
No these are literary archetypes for characters to describe their personalities. It is used as a literary tool.
I was thinking maybe taking them out of context as personality descriptors and using them as a character prompt.
For example from the masterclass page:
1. The Lover
The romantic lead who’s guided by the heart.
1. Strengths: humanism, passion, conviction
2. Weaknesses: naivete, irrationality
3. Lover Archetype Examples: Romeo and Juliet (Romeo and Juliet), Noah Calhoun (The Notebook), Scarlett O’Hara (Gone With the Wind), Belle (Beauty and the Beast)
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/...
https://libguides.gvsu.edu/c.php?g=94...
Alicia wrote: "Yeah I know it’s originally “and” but I would read that as having to include all 3, which is why I thought “or” would be clearer. Then you can still do all 3, or just one. But I get it’s also annoy..."I think just leave the "and" & "or" out entirely: game, set, match That way each reader can decide if they want one or all or something else. And I think I hear the phrase most often without the connecting word, so "game, set, match" sounds natural to me.
Joy D wrote: "Another idea:A book related to a geometric shape
examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk
- Could be ..."
Add in "torus" and that opens the prompt up to reading about doughnuts and bakeries! (As well as toroidal spaceships.)
Nadine in NY wrote: "Alicia wrote: "Yeah I know it’s originally “and” but I would read that as having to include all 3, which is why I thought “or” would be clearer. Then you can still do all 3, or just one. But I get ..."No idea what I'd read for it, but I like game, set, match
Nadine in NY wrote: "Add in "torus" and that opens the prompt up to reading about doughnuts and bakeries! (As well as toroidal spaceships..."Ellie wrote: "There are closed circle mysteries too."
NancyJ wrote: "A pyramid makes me think of the Louvre museum. There are a couple books set there, and probably books about art in their collection. The Pentagon or Obelisk could link to a Washington DC book on power or politics. Breast and Eggs sounds weird but worth a try..."
I am adding your ideas to the description in my post above so I can copy it to the suggestion thread if it has enough support. Thanks!
I thought of others, too. There are lots of "squares" - Times Square, Red Square, Tiananmen Square. Also, some games are played on geometric fields - football field, soccer pitch.
Joy D wrote: "Another idea:A book related to a geometric shape
examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk, Torus
- Co..."
I like this prompt too. It is the right amount of challenging for me. You can't read absolutely anything, but it won't generate a list with only 25 books on it.
@Joy, I googled geometric shapes and hearts, crosses, stars, crescent moons, and arrows all came up in the results so if you include those, it would open it up to a lot more topics (romances, religious books, Hollywood, etc)
Irene wrote: "@Joy, I googled geometric shapes and hearts, crosses, stars, crescent moons, and arrows all came up in the results so if you include those, it would open it up to a lot more topics (romances, relig..."Yes! I added them.
Here's the updated suggestion, adding all the ideas above:
A book related to a geometric shape
Examples: Circle, Oval, Triangle, Square, Rectangle, Kite, Semicircle, Rhombus, Trapezoid, Parallelogram, Pentagon, Hexagon, Octagon, Sphere, Pyramid, Cylinder, Cube, Cone, Obelisk, Torus, Cuboid, Ovoid, etc.
- Could be a word in a title
- A shape depicted on the cover
- A setting like The Pentagon, Egyptian pyramids, The Louvre, Trafalgar Square, Union Square, Tiananmen Square, Red Square, Times Square, Main Market Square, obelisk as a link to a monument such as Washington D.C.
- A topic such as a Love Triangle or Closed Circle Mystery
- A representation of the shape: a sphere could represent the earth or another planet, or an octagon could represent a stop sign, an ovoid could be an egg, a cylinder could be a grain silo, torus could be a doughnut or toroidal spaceship, cuboid could be a raft or a building
- Shape-related places: a football field, soccer pitch, drum circle, hockey rink
- Shapes comprised of other shapes: hearts (two semicircles and a triangle), crosses (multiple rectangles), stars (square and triangles), crescent moons, arrows, etc.
Joy D wrote: "Irene wrote: "@Joy, I googled geometric shapes and hearts, crosses, stars, crescent moons, and arrows all came up in the results so if you include those, it would open it up to a lot more topics (r..."I like to read picture books, so if anyone does the challenge in picture books, I can highly recommend three of my favorites, by one of my favorite picture book authors (Circle, Square, and Triangle by Mac Barnett):
They are so delightfully weird. I'm hoping there's another sequel!
My favorite idea is "12 Literary Archetypes." I like it better than all the other "type" ideas - Enneagram, Astrology, or Mythology. I learned Enneagram (9?) and Jung types (ENF_?) in school, but I can't think of examples from my own favorite characters, so I don't think it's for me."The 12 literary archetypes" is more relevant to reading, and could work for all of us. There will be lists, blogs or examples from other readers and writers. Lover and hero would be easy to find, and others could be more challenging I might read a novel with a reputation for giving a good depiction of an Everyman or Creator, to learn.
I would upvote the Tropical prompt. I like exotic locales, tropical islands, the people of southeast Asia. I have a good mystery series in Malaysia, or could read a climate book about rainforests.
I also like the Shapes and Game Set Match. They're both creative and fun. They could be easy and literal, or inspire freewheeling creativity.
I like the archetypes suggestion as well as ‘game, set, match’. It sounds like the next round could be a good one.
Another way to do the shape prompt would be a book nominated for the National Book Critics Circle Awards. https://www.bookcritics.org/awards/
The winner of the Newbury Medal receives a bronze circular medal and an image of this medal is on the cover of nominated books.
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It's actually from this year, Poll 5. It was polarizing so it could be resubmitted."
It's weird that I don't remember it from this year. It was also discussed last year, and the tarot card idea got in instead.