[2023] Wild Discussion Showing 2,401-2,450 of 4,060

[Alicia]

Why not just spell out Wizard of Oz? I think that’s the clearest intent. I can see people in the US that don’t read the discussion being confused by what land of Oz is. While in different parts of the world will find just Oz as confusing.

[Ellie]

Alicia wrote: "Why not just spell out Wizard of Oz? I think that’s the clearest intent. I can see people in the US that don’t read the discussion being confused by what land of Oz is. While in different parts of ..."

It was just an idea to open it up to other interpretations.

[dalex]

How about "a book related to the Wizard of Oz (book/movie) or the Land of Oz (Australia)"?

[°~Amy~°]

Has anyone seen BooksandLala's latest video; only reading books w/ rabbits on the cover? We're being stalked again! lol

[Alicia]

Ellie wrote: "Alicia wrote: "Why not just spell out Wizard of Oz? I think that’s the clearest intent. I can see people in the US that don’t read the discussion being confused by what land of Oz is. While in diff..."

ahh ok, I totally missed that. I also hadn't had my coffee yet.

[Amy (Other Amy)]

°~Amy~° wrote: "Has anyone seen BooksandLala's latest video; only reading books w/ rabbits on the cover? We're being stalked again! lol"

I never watch booktube, but that looks like a channel that might read the way I do! I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of rabbit cover hunts next year though, since 2023 is a Year of the Rabbit.

[Pamela, Arciform Mod]

dalex wrote: "How about "a book related to the Wizard of Oz (book/movie) or the Land of Oz (Australia)"?"

Already nominated, but I would rather a Holllywood and Oz to include Australia separated. Otherwise it's way too broad a prompt.

[Emily, Conterminous Mod]

Voting thread is posted for poll 11
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

[Judy]

Siobhan wrote: "dalex wrote: "Siobhan wrote: "If I'm able to get to the thread in time I'm thinking about resuggesting the disabled character prompt. This time maybe going for the wording of A Book With a Disabled..."

Thanks Siobhan. Nicely done. I don't think I would be offended by a book someone reads. I think it could be worse to be ignored because someone is afraid they'll say the wrong thing.

The new disability prompt is easier than the previous one.

[Jette]

A suggestion for the next round: A character with whom you share an Enneagram type

The Enneagram is a personality classification system that seeks to explain what motivates people—their deepest fears and desires—and how this drives behavior. (Myers Briggs seeks to explain how the mind works—how people relate to other people, their environment, and incoming information.)

Learn more here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

An Enneagram is a number from 1 to 9 that also incorporates the characteristics of one of the adjacent characteristics (known as a wing). My Myers-Briggs changes from time to time, but I will always be an Enneagram 1 (The Reformer).
Other types are
2 (The Helper);
3 (The Achiever);
4 (The Individualist);
5 (The Investigator);
6 (The Loyalist);
7 (The Enthusiast);
8 (The Challenger);
and 9 (The Peacemaker)

One list here: https://bookriot.com/book-characters-...

[Tracy]

Jette wrote: "A suggestion for the next round: A character with whom you share an Enneagram type

The Enneagram is a personality classification system that seeks to explain what motivates people—their deepest fe..."

Is the Enneagram a bookish thing? I only ask because the first time I heard about it was while listening to the podcast Currently Reading. It seems like their occasional guest are also familiar with the concept.

I think the idea is intriguing, but I'm wondering how hard it is to figure out your Enneagram type (none of the type names are jumping out to me) and then how easy would it be to find a character that shares that characteristic.

[Amy (Other Amy)]

I honestly don't love the idea of Enneagram matching for ATY. We would have to take the test to get our type. (I took it a long time ago; I was a 5, but it was Architect back then I'm pretty sure, so obviously it's changed.) There's not really a big source of readily available typing for characters either. I searched and got two from Book Riot and then fragmented lists from other places. I think it's a lot of work for something that has not a lot of application.

[Jette]

Tracy wrote: "Jette wrote: "A suggestion for the next round: A character with whom you share an Enneagram type

The Enneagram is a personality classification system that seeks to explain what motivates people—th..."

The first link includes a quiz a brief quiz. I first learned of it through my daughter when she started school. A class had assigned it for all enrolled students. It resonated with me in a way that Myers-Briggs did not.

From the first couple of comments, it may not make it through voting. But you have to give me points for originality. ;)

[Tracy]

Definitely originality points!

[Pamela, Arciform Mod]

Jette wrote: "The first link includes a quiz a brief quiz. I first learned of it through my daughter when she started school. A class had assigned it for all enrolled students. It resonated with me in a way that Myers-Briggs did not.

From the first couple of comments, it may not make it through voting. But you have to give me points for originality..."

I can only find the paid test!

It seems it would be hard to find a book that matches your type cause how do you know what they are?

[Nadine in NY]

Jette wrote: "A suggestion for the next round: A character with whom you share an Enneagram type

The Enneagram is a personality classification system that seeks to explain what motivates people—their deepest fe..."


I'm not a huge fan of the Enneagram, but my bigger issue is how hard it would be to find books. The Book Riot article lists five or six books for each type. I just took some online tests and I guess I'm pretty balanced between two types. But for these types, I've either read or absolutely do NOT want the books they list. So ... what would I read?

[Emily, Conterminous Mod]

I LOVEEEEE the enneagram (type 9!) but it's hard to find books that will match a character's type before reading. There have definitely been times when I've been able to type a character (Nina Hill is definitely a 9 lol), but it's not until after I read the book that I could figure out what character she was.

You could maybe do a prompt where the character falls under one of the 9 categories (kind of like the tarot prompt this year -- find a book that fits one of the numbers, but not necessarily necessitating knowing a number beforehand).

For those interested, you can find a free test here: https://www.eclecticenergies.com/enne...

[Tracy]

Emily wrote: "I LOVEEEEE the enneagram (type 9!) but it's hard to find books that will match a character's type before reading. There have definitely been times when I've been able to type a character (Nina Hill..."

Emily, since you know about this, IS there some connection to the reading world with Enneagram? All my social book related sources are the only place I've heard of it.

[NancyJ]

Jette wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Jette wrote: "A suggestion for the next round: A character with whom you share an Enneagram type

The Enneagram is a personality classification system that seeks to explain what motiv..."

I like it. I like it better than the Tarot cards, simply because I can understand the types better than the Tarot cards. It can also be an entertaining way to learn a little more about yourself. I would have fun trying to match the types to main characters, or maybe even to situations or plots. It would work better for character driven novels than for most genre books.

I would like to read a book that shows a Type 1 or 9 in action. Especially in the context of some type of change.

But like Emily said, it would be hard to do in advance. With the tarot cards, a lot of the matches were based on words in the title or something obvious about a major character. I was able to assign cards based on the themes of books after I read them, but I couldn't do it with most of the books.

BTW, there are interesting reasons why your MBTI scores change, but most trainers or websites only cover the basics. I used it a lot in my work, but it's most useful when combined with other data, and concerted effort. By themselves, all of these tests can be an entertaining way to gain some self-knowledge.

I'm reading a book now with a really interesting main character. I might try to guess his type. Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China provided a lot of information about real people over a lifetime. I wonder if I could figure out some of their types.

[Emily, Conterminous Mod]

Tracy wrote: "Emily wrote: "I LOVEEEEE the enneagram (type 9!) but it's hard to find books that will match a character's type before reading. There have definitely been times when I've been able to type a charac..."

No, it actually started ages ago, then was picked up and pushed by Christian theologists, but has lately (in the last 5-10 years) been separated from religious preachings to become more secular again. Instagram has really kicked off its popularity and there are lots of people who have accounts focused on the enneagram (I probably follow a good 12-15 accounts lol).

I'd be interested to see the listopia that would come out of this prompt, because I often find it hard to read about characters that are the same type as me, mostly because their passivity and inability to confront conflict feels too close to home lolol.

All that being said, you can often figure out types from the book descriptions.. I just wouldn't want to search for a character that matches my specific type.

[Dubhease]

Every time I do that enneagram test I get a different result. So, while I don't love the prompt, I guess I could literally assign any book to it since I apparently have no fixed type.

[NancyJ]

Dubhease wrote: "Every time I do that enneagram test I get a different result. So, while I don't love the prompt, I guess I could literally assign any book to it since I apparently have no fixed type."

I'm finding it hard to get a score too. My life has changed so much in the last 5 years, I can't pin my answers down.

[Joy D]

Now that I've looked at the Enneagram types, and read through the definitions, I like the idea. I understand the hesitation, though, since it may not be the easiest prompt to fulfill. But I think in many cases, the book's description provides enough detail to guess what type the character might be, and of course, the people adding to the Listopias will have already read the book and we could put the type in the comments.

[Robin P, Orbicular Mod]

I wonder which type it is that loves these personality tests/analyses! That is me, In this group, I am the Enthusiast for sure. I have also done Myers-Briggs and through work I did a different one where there are just 4 types. I am always the expressive, impulsive, verbal one. I have an opinion on everything right away and get bored by repetition or details. I have great ideas but don't always follow through. One character that I think is like me is Emma, from Jane Austen. She is sure she is right, even when she isn't. Maybe that's why I adore her when many readers don't.

I think this is very fun, but I have a feeling that voters who don't read this thread will just see a word they don't know and/or don't have an immediate book for, and vote it down or ignore it. We also have some people who are wary of providing any personal details about themselves, even age or location, so they might not want to reveal their own category.

[Jillian]

I’m neutral on voting on the Enneagram prompt for the ATY. I don’t see it having much chance. Having to take a test if you don’t know yours and then trying to find a book that matches seems to be a bit much. I do think, it could be a fun side challenge in the group for those who are interested.

[Joy D]

We could perhaps open it to any enneagram type and list the types below the prompt. That way no one has to disclose their own type. It may be too obscure for people who don't read the threads but might be worth a try. There seems to be a clamoring for unique or innovative prompts.

I am a Peacemaker and Reformer. ENFJ on Myers Briggs.

[Alicia]

Joy, I was just thinking the same thing. Here is a good list of each type, then you can click on each for more information: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ty...

Also, I’m a mix between The Helper and The Loyalist

[Alicia]

I also share a Meyers-Briggs with Severus Snape. 😆

[Shannon SA]

Jette wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Jette wrote: "A suggestion for the next round: A character with whom you share an Enneagram type

The Enneagram is a personality classification system that seeks to explain what motiv..."

Sorry Jette, I wouldn't vote for this one, just too complicated for me! But definitely points for originality :)

[Ellie]

Emily wrote: "You could maybe do a prompt where the character falls under one of the 9 categories (kind of like the tarot prompt this year..."

I like this idea, you don't have to know anything about the personality test to find a book with an investigator for example.

I would downvote the prompt if I had to know about the personality test, or do it myself. I don't really like these things, they put people in boxes and don't help if you don't fit in managers' perceived ideas of those boxes.

[Louise]

I think it can be useful in a family /manager jobs, to have an idea how to motivate and understand each other.
Especially people very different from yourself.

But people are complex! I would probably land in 2 different types, depending on whether I feel comfortable or not - and a third type if I am not taking my ADHD meds 🤣

[Ellie]

Louise wrote: "But people are complex! I would probably land in 2 different types, depending on whether I feel comfortable or not..."

I don't know the names of the ones I have been made to do but this is the problem. My answers always depend on the situation and how I'm feeling that day, and my results were always very mixed. I don't want that used to shape my job, just get to know me!

[Nadine in NY]

Joy D wrote: "We could perhaps open it to any enneagram type and list the types below the prompt. That way no one has to disclose their own type. It may be too obscure for people who don't read the threads but m..."



Opening it up to all enneagram types means "read a book with a character" - in other words, ANY novel will fit. I'd be okay with a category that is "read a novel" but I wouldn't be excited about it.

[Emily, Conterminous Mod]

I love that we are having this conversation! As always, take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but having done a lot of research into the enneagram, I have some tips for yall.

Experts in the enneagram generally agree that your type does not change as you get older/etc because it's based on a core motivation and fear. So the decisions you make may look the same as multiple types, but the reason why you make those decisions are different. For example, both 9s and 2s are people pleasers, but 9s do it out of a fear of conflict (I don't want anyone mad at me, I like peace in my environment), while 2s do it because they enjoy giving of themselves and self-sacrifice for others.

You can only be one type, but there can be movement (stress and growth lines) where you take on the tendencies of another type when in stress or growth. For example, I'm a 9, but when I'm in a growth period, I look more like a 3, getting things accomplished and setting and achieving goals. When I'm stressed, I look more like a 6, looking for all of the ways things can go wrong and trying to mitigate those extremes from happening.

You can also lean into the numbers on each side of your core number (called "wings"). I'm a 9w1, which means that I have a lot of tendencies of a 1, liking order, structure, and rules. My core motivation doesn't really align with a 1, but I do pick up some tendencies from them. You can lean into both wings (8 and 1, in my case), or have no wings, or be strong in just one.

Anyway, that's more than anyone asked for, but if you're interested in dipping your toes into it more, this is a little primer lol

[Emily, Conterminous Mod]

To your point, Nadine, I would argue that most characters in books don't easily reveal their motivations or show distinct characteristics... not every character is easy to type. So while some people may not be interested in the enneagram and just read a book about whatever, the spirit of the prompt would be to find a book with a character who has a distinct personality that fits a specific number, even if you don't decide which number you want to read ahead of time.

[Louise]

If we pick that category - I would LOOOVE your take on this guy :-)
The Seducer's Diary

[dalex]

Emily wrote: "I love that we are having this conversation! As always, take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but having done a lot of research into the enneagram, I have some tips for yall."

Thank you for this in-depth explanation!

I'm a type 3 (the Achiever) with 3w2 wing (the Helper).

Threes "are frequently hard working, competitive and are highly focused in the pursuit of their goals" and "have a lot of energy and often seem to embody a kind of zest for life that others find contagious."

I think my 2 wing comes into play in the fact that I'm a caretaker - at work, at home, with friends, with strangers. I always want to step in and take care of a problem or help someone out.

Under stress, I definitely lean towards an 8 (unfortunately). "Eights are strong willed, decisive, practical, tough minded and energetic. They also tend to be domineering; their unwillingness to be controlled by others frequently manifests in the need to control others instead."

As far as the enneagram as a prompt, I think it would be very difficult to type a character, especially prior to actually reading the book. And past polls have shown that people aren't overly fond of prompts that reveal something personal about themselves.

[Michelle]

I personally don't like prompts that require me to know about the book beforehand. I hope this doesn't come out mean but I would immediately downvote this prompt, and like someone else said, I doubt it would have a chance.

If you have a personality type in mind then maybe refine the prompt to say a ___ character. It's funny because I like broad prompts, but this is one that could be narrowed a lot.

[Edie]

What about a book with twins in it? I just finished The Night Tiger which features twins, is set in 1930s Malaya (now Malaysia), has great characters, magical realism, a mystery. I loved, loved, loved this book and having a prompt with twins could give lots of other ATY readers a reason to read it.

BTW I rarely reread books but I would be happy to find some other book featuring twins to read.

[dalex]

Edie wrote: "What about a book with twins in it?"

Or we could bring back the prompt "A book related to one of the 12 Western astrological signs" for a vote. The astrological sign Gemini is represented by twins. Those who want to read about twins could do that but it gives lots of options for other people.

[Nancy]

I like that idea, dalex. I really liked that prompt.

[Shannon SA]

Twins alone would be too narrow for me. The 12 astrological signs would get an upvote.

[Tracy]

Emily wrote: "I love that we are having this conversation! As always, take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but having done a lot of research into the enneagram, I have some tips for yall.

Experts in the e..."

I took the online test that someone linked to here, and according to that I'm a 9w1 also! I did feel uncertain about some answers, but I guess that's why there are so many, to come at an idea from several directions.

[NancyJ]

Edie wrote: "What about a book with twins in it? I just finished The Night Tiger which features twins, is set in 1930s Malaya (now Malaysia), has great characters, magical realism, a mystery. I loved, loved, lo..."

I really enjoyed The Night Tiger too. It's so lush and magical, with memorable storylines. I wouldn't mind rereading it. (I wonder if I could interest my local bookclub.) I loved both the realistic culture and the fantasy parts of the story. It's such an interesting time and place. I have other Malaysian books on my TBR too. I would love to read more books set in the Tropics or tropical rain forests. (The Central American part of American Dirt had a lush rainforest too.)

ADDED - There is a 23 connection on the map. The tropics is the area around the the equator roughly between 23 degrees North and 23 degrees South latitude. (Technically it's 23 degrees plus some minutes.) It includes the hottest parts of the world, including arid plains, rain forests, and tropical islands. Most of India too I think.

How about: "Read a book set in the Tropics, between 23 degrees N and 23 degree S latitudes." (The last part would be deleted on the final list of course, and we could make it more concise.)

[Nadine in NY]

NancyJ wrote: "How about: Read a book set in the Tropics, between 23 degrees N and 23 degree S latitudes. (The last part would be deleted on the final list of course, and we could make it more concise.)..."


YES! I would really like that one.

[NancyJ]

dalex wrote: "Edie wrote: "What about a book with twins in it?"

Or we could bring back the prompt "A book related to one of the 12 Western astrological signs" for a vote. The astrological sign Gemini is represe..."

I was a fan of that idea last year too. Some people didn't know (or care) enough about astrology to get excited about it, but you could go as shallow or as deep as you like. I like the way you phrased it. I wouldn't want us to have to read about our own sign. (I hope I won't have a reason to read about my sign this year. )

[Milena]

NancyJ wrote: "Edie wrote: "What about a book with twins in it? I just finished The Night Tiger which features twins, is set in 1930s Malaya (now Malaysia), has great characters, magical realism, a mystery. I lov..."

This sounds great!

[dalex]

NancyJ wrote: "I was a fan of that idea last year too."

It's actually from this year, Poll 5. It was polarizing so it could be resubmitted.

[Milena]

I also like the twins idea. There are plenty of choices. I just read one: More Than You'll Ever Know.

[dalex]

NancyJ wrote: "Read a book set in the Tropics, between 23 degrees N and 23 degree S latitudes."

Is there a list available of countries that would count? I don't know that I want to sit and examine latitude/longitude lines on a map - haha. There was a prompt one year that was something like " set in a country below the Tropic of Cancer" and it drove me bonkers having to determine what countries qualified, especially since some countries are so close it's hard to determine what side it is on.