[2023] Wild Discussion Showing 801-850 of 4,060

[Michelle]

I don’t know how to search for Listopias, and I don’t know how to hyperlink books in a post - maybe because I am on the app? But I could provide some suggestions- although a lot of the ones I have read are more middle grade. I started a personal shelf for this topic at one point. I should update it.

[Robin P, Orbicular Mod]

It can be a complicated topic, but it would be good to come up with a concise way to state it.

[Michelle]

I just pulled together about 65 books from my shelves - Read and Want to Read. I feel like there needs to be another way to organize, or at I would least like to be able to add notes, as right now there is a mix of topics such as mental illness, depression, anxiety, OCD, Autism, Down Syndrome, and other learning disorders, memory loss, characters with Tourette’s, Selective Mutism/Social Anxiety, and more physical disabilities such as characters who are blind, deaf, have diseases such as cerebral palsy or ALS, who are nonverbal, use a wheelchair, have a limb difference, etc. There are also some other things mixed in.

It’s quite the eclectic mix now that I look at it. Maybe I am looking at it too broadly? Anyway, I will have to think upon further organization.

Please let me know if anyone has any thoughts or is interested in hearing more about any specific topic.

[Rachel]

I originally suggested the Disney prompt last year, and I got a bit discouraged after it didn't get in several times. I wasn't intending to suggest it again, but if anyone else is interested, please go for it!

The wording I used was: A book related to the title of a song from an animated Disney or Pixar movie

The thinking behind it was that you do NOT have to like or even watch Disney/Pixar movies, but you would need to find a book that has a connection to the title of a Disney song. Connections could be as close or far as you choose. It also skips over the whole issue of picking a favourite.

For example, I'm doing this prompt for my rejects challenge this year, and I picked I Kissed Shara Wheeler, connected to the song Kiss the Girl from The Little Mermaid. There are tons of other options too, such as a book about traveling to a new place for A Whole New World, or a book about birth/death for The Circle of Life.

[Thomas]

Rachel wrote: "I originally suggested the Disney prompt last year, and I got a bit discouraged after it didn't get in several times. I wasn't intending to suggest it again, but if anyone else is interested, pleas..."
I suspect its one fo these prompts that struggles becuase it gets labelled "freebie" in other words the possibilities are so broad that some people vote it down becuase it doesn't feel challenging enough

[Rachel]

Thomas wrote: "Rachel wrote: "I originally suggested the Disney prompt last year, and I got a bit discouraged after it didn't get in several times. I wasn't intending to suggest it again, but if anyone else is in..."

I guess it could be seen that way since there are a lot of songs to choose from, but I don't see it as a freebie. Just glancing around my room currently, I see many books that wouldn't match to any song titles, so it's not a guarantee that every book would automatically fit.

Either way, I don't plan to resubmit since I'm doing this prompt anyway for my own challenge, but if anyone's interested, feel free to suggest it again.

[Ann]

In my other book club we have been reading short classics and right now reading children's classics. What about a prompt...children's book written for adults or children's book with an adult message. I am thinking The Little Prince or The Reluctant Dragon.

[Pam]

For a prompt using 23, how about an author who goes by 2 names, one w 2 syllables and the other with 3? Examples- Edward Rutherford, Margaret Atwood, David Sedaris.

[Karen]

Pam wrote: "For a prompt using 23, how about an author who goes by 2 names, one w 2 syllables and the other with 3? Examples- Edward Rutherford, Margaret Atwood, David Sedaris."

That's a good one!

[Nancy]

Am I the only one that thinks Margaret is 2 syllables? lol

[Robin P, Orbicular Mod]

Ann wrote: "In my other book club we have been reading short classics and right now reading children's classics. What about a prompt...children's book written for adults or children's book with an adult messag..."

I think just saying "children's classic" would be fine. It's hard to know which books were written for adults or even which are intended to have an adult message. Any good children's book would have a message for everyone.

[Alicia]

Haha same. I pronounce it Mar-grit

[Ellie]

Nancy wrote: "Am I the only one that thinks Margaret is 2 syllables? lol"

If I try and say it in three syllables I sound like I'm doing a dodgy accent.

[Pam]

Yes, the way most of us pronounce Margaret is Margret but that’s not how it’s spelled so I say it’s 3. Just like Barbara. It’s usually pronounced Barbra.

[Irene]

I liked the Disney prompt a lot and am doing it for this year's "favorite prompt that didn't make the list" but the song I got from a quiz I took to narrow it down was "Bella Notte" from Lady and the Tramp which was surprisingly broad because any romance book or book set at night "matches" it. So I can see why it could be seen as too flexible since there are so many songs and many ways the songs can connect to the themes of a book.

[Tracy]

Pearl wrote: "Is there a good list of books about persons with disabilities?"

Pearl, I found this on Listopia:
https://www.goodreads.com/search?utf8...

[Tracy]

Michelle wrote: "I don’t know how to search for Listopias, and I don’t know how to hyperlink books in a post - maybe because I am on the app? But I could provide some suggestions- although a lot of the ones I have ..."

Michelle - the app is sorely lacking re: Listopias (as far as I've been able to tell anyway) and hyperlinking. Unfortunately it seems you have to rely on the desktop version to do those things.

[Deborah]

I tend to do better searching for Listopias by just using Google instead of searching within Goodreads. I just generally search something like "goodreads pirate books" and Google will generally find the shelves or lists that exist.

[Tracy]

Deborah wrote: "I tend to do better searching for Listopias by just using Google instead of searching within Goodreads. I just generally search something like "goodreads pirate books" and Google will generally fin..."

Great idea! Now if only we could get a 'reply' button on mobile... Or am I missing something and it can also be done in a different way, besides just retyping the comment you are replying to?

[Nadine in NY]

Deborah wrote: "I tend to do better searching for Listopias by just using Google instead of searching within Goodreads. I just generally search something like "goodreads pirate books" and Google will generally fin..."


SAME!!! Google's search engine is far superior to Goodreads! (I do the same when I'm looking for reddit posts - the reddit search engine is dreadful.)

[Nadine in NY]

Tracy wrote: "Deborah wrote: "I tend to do better searching for Listopias by just using Google instead of searching within Goodreads. I just generally search something like "goodreads pirate books" and Google wi..."


you're not missing anything. The app is terrible.

[Pamela, Arciform Mod]

Nancy wrote: "Am I the only one that thinks Margaret is 2 syllables? lol"

I think it's one of the words they give you for a "what accent do you have" challenge. (I'm with you on 2)

[Deborah]

Here are a few of my ideas. Thoughts?

1. Read a book by an author that is of a different race and gender than yourself
2. Read a book in which a character is in a non-traditional career for their gender. (Examples: Male Nurse, Female Engineer)
3. Book with a shoe on the cover
4. Book related to dancing
5. Book related to outer space
6. Book with a cover that has a view from above
7. Two Books Related to "Before" and "After"

[Ellie]

I like before and after for a multiweek prompt.

[Thomas]

Love 2 would want more ideas on 7 would not vote 4

[Tracy]

Deborah wrote: "Here are a few of my ideas. Thoughts?

1. Read a book by an author that is of a different race and gender than yourself
2. Read a book in which a character is in a non-traditional career for their ..."

As long as I could find a book that I'd enjoy reading, I'd vote for 1, 2 (I was a female engineer - but no books about me!) and 7 as a multi-week prompt.

3 (shoe) I've done recently in another group. There's a lot out there that would fit, but personally I'd be looking for something new. 4 & 5 (dancing and outer space) don't interest me.

6 (cover from above) is different from over "cover" books and I like that visual perspective, so would be ok with this one also.

[Tracy]

I have another couple of ideas I'd like to float.

1) this sort of goes with, and expands, the idea of Match 2 or Opposite Pairs (whatever wording we came up with for that one that made more sense), but would not be a multi-week prompt:

"A book with twins/duos or triplets/trios who are primary characters."

Sets of siblings, yes, but also ideas like “Twin Cities”, “Ben & Jerry”, ”Apples & Oranges”, “Doppelgangers”, “Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll”, “The Holy Trinity”, “Harry, Hermione & Ron in Harry Potter” etc.

I checked past years, and the closest I could find was that in 2021 we had "a book where the main characters are a set of siblings".

2) I have seen in various groups "books with a shoe on the cover" and some variation involving "a face on the cover". I don't think I've ever seen anything to do with hands. So how about "a book with a hand or hands on the cover"?

[Alicia]

I think my only issue with non-traditional careers based on gender is that “traditional”for women that’s nurse, teacher, secretary, and stay at home mom. That then makes the prompt pretty broad

[Dubhease]

Pop Sugar did do twin cities/sister cities this year. People who do both might not want it again.

This is how I found out that NYC, London, and Tokyo are all sister cities of each

I do like the Trio idea.

[Tracy]

Dubhease wrote: "Pop Sugar did do twin cities/sister cities this year. People who do both might not want it again.

This is how I found out that NYC, London, and Tokyo are all sister cities of each

I do like the ..."

I can appreciate not wanting the overlap, but should people in one group have to also sort out all the possible duplicates with another group?

I do like the idea of using sister cities as a possible way of fulfilling this prompt suggestion though — good idea!

[Deborah]

Alicia wrote: "I think my only issue with non-traditional careers based on gender is that “traditional”for women that’s nurse, teacher, secretary, and stay at home mom. That then makes the prompt pretty broad"

The idea was to have a character in a job that is mostly populated by the other sex. There are a lot of jobs out there that have a pretty even distribution and I don't feel those would fit this prompt. I was thinking it be good to look a character that is outside the normal stereo-types in terms of career. Traditional may be the wrong word...I am open to suggestions on wording.

[Irene]

Tracy wrote: "Dubhease wrote: "Pop Sugar did do twin cities/sister cities this year. People who do both might not want it again.

This is how I found out that NYC, London, and Tokyo are all sister cities of each..."

Tracy, we shouldn't have to but since so many of us do both challenges, I think Dubhease was just trying to say it would be harder for duplicate prompts to get voted in.

On an unrelated note, wasn't this group formed by people who were in the Popsugar group? Or did I just make that up? Either way, I think it's a good idea to be aware of what other major challenges are doing, it would help encourage people to join our challenge :)

[Tracy]

Irene wrote: "Tracy wrote: "Dubhease wrote: "Pop Sugar did do twin cities/sister cities this year. People who do both might not want it again.

This is how I found out that NYC, London, and Tokyo are all sister ..."

I can see how someone in two groups might not want to duplicate a prompt, but

a) this isn't really the same prompt, and

b) in a more general sense, maybe people who are in both groups should consider that people just in this group shouldn't be shut out of a prompt just because they aren't in multiple groups.

@Irene and @Dubhease — I know you aren't suggesting that you specifically wouldn't vote for a similar prompt in both groups, and are just saying you could see someone thinking that way, so I appreciate the heads up. But please, anyone who IS in multiple groups, please try to treat each group individually, since it is your choice to do multiple groups. I often find more than one book that I'd like to read to fulfill a prompt, so this could be your opportunity to use a plethora of options.

[Jillian]

Tracy wrote: "Dubhease wrote: "I can appreciate not wanting the overlap, but should people in one group have to also sort out all the possible duplicates with another group?

Any idea can be suggested but to make it it has to be voted in and since some of the members do both they might be less inclined to vote for a prompt they just had.

[Deborah]

Tracy, I actually like this prompt. "A book with twins/duos or triplets/trios who are primary characters." I was sad when the Famous Duo's prompt didn't get in this year. I do understand what other people are saying about repeats in other challenges. That being said, I don't think that this particular prompt would be affected. Not all people who vote read this feed and in my opinion, with your current wording, people outside this feed may not think of "Twin Cities" as a way to fill the prompt. I say submit it...you may be surprised.

[Thomas]

Always worth submitting but I do agree some people do not like prompts they did for another challenge, its at least three years sicne we had anything about a child protagonist but I ahve already seen people downvoting as its overdone, i.e it was in naother challenge so wrongfully there is an issue with people who do not want to do a prompt that was in another challenge.

[Emily, Conterminous Mod]

As someone who has done this voting process 5 times now, and as someone who has never done any other popular reading challenge like Popsugar, I would also get discouraged when prompts were voted down because they were in Popsugar or Book Riot's lists.

So no, you shouldn't *have* to look to see, and it doesn't hurt to suggest, but the people pointing it out are just letting you know that there's a chance it gets voted down because of that duplication. People vote on what will work individually for them, not for the collective, so the group of members that also do Popsugar may be enough of a swing vote to keep the prompt from getting in.

That being said, they may not be. So it doesn't hurt to suggest or second a prompt you love that works for *you*, even if the collective may vote against it. That's the beauty of this type of polling to create our list... we get to decide as a group what works best for the most individuals of the group.

[Kate]

Emily wrote: "As someone who has done this voting process 5 times now, and as someone who has never done any other popular reading challenge like Popsugar, I would also get discouraged when prompts were voted do..."

And some of us that do both don't actually mind 'repeat' prompts! I like to be able to condense my list of books a little, since I try to read closer to 100 rather than the 150+ that reading one book for each individual challenge would bring.

[Juliet]

I do several challenges every year, including Popsugar and Book Riot and a lot of repeat prompts I dont mind and would not downvote, but there are some like 'banned book' that I would be happy to never see again

[Alicia]

Emily wrote: "As someone who has done this voting process 5 times now, and as someone who has never done any other popular reading challenge like Popsugar, I would also get discouraged when prompts were voted do..."

Perfectly said!

I do both and at the end of the day, I'm going to vote for what I like to see on the final list. And sometimes that may be a downvote because of another challenge. But I don't think of it as preventing the group from enjoying a prompt because: (1) I'm just one vote and that's why I love ATY, the final list will always contain some I upvoted and some I downvoted and (2) if a prompt doesn't get in, that just means another great prompt will!

You should definitely suggest prompts and I love you coming in full force with ideas! But don't be discouraged when people say why they may not like or vote for a prompt. It's just to give some context on their thought process and future prompts they may like. This is a really supportive group and no one means to hurt anyone's feelings.

[Tracy]

Thank you all (@Dubhease, @Irene, @Jillian, @Deborah, @Thomas, @Emily, and @Caitlin) for reminding me that different points of view will approach this differently, AND that the number of comment here doesn't necessarily reflect actual voting since not everyone reads in this section.

I will try.

Edit: & @Alicia - we were writing at the same time.

I must be having a sensitive day. I also get really wrapped up in idea generation in a lot of areas, so I totally overreacted. Sorry 🫤

[Nancy]

I don't mind repeat prompts, as long as I didn't find them difficult in the other challenge. I downvoted related to a common phrase because I found it too hard when Pop Sugar had it, I'd either read or wasn't interested in most books suggested. Having experience with a prompt can be helpful to determine if I'd want to do it again.

Similarly, if there is a prompt PS had and I did enjoy it or had lots of options for it, I wouldn't mind if ATY had it too and would probably even upvote it. I didn't downvote sun/moon/stars on cover even though PS has constellation on the cover this year.

I also think Twin/Sisters Cities is very different from twin characters, so I wouldn't let the fact that it's a PS prompt this year determine how I voted for that.

[Robin P, Orbicular Mod]

The twins/trios prompt would have to be phrased so that it's clear it isn't just literal. People who don't read these threads might assume it is only about biological twins and triplets, which is pretty narrow.

[Tracy]

I know I can’t include by explanation in the actual prompt, but so will try to make it as clear as possible in the version that we vote on. Thanks Robin.

[Rachel]

As someone who has participated in the voting process for many years now and who also does multiple challenges yearly, there are definitely a few prompts that seem to come up year after year, and on almost every challenge.

Personally, I'm not necessarily opposed to repeating prompts, but it highly depends on what that prompt is. For example, I would vote for psychological thriller or dark academia any time they come up because those are both favourites of mine, and I don't care if they come up often.

I tend to find there are a certain core group of prompts that come up super often. I definitely wouldn't expect anyone to research other challenges to see what's been done or anything like that, but I can see where it can impact the votes.

For example, I find these prompts seem to come up most commonly:
- A banned book
- A book in translation
- A book you should have read in school but didn't (or variants of this)
- A book by a local author/set in a place near you
- A book set in a country that you've visited/have never visited/would like to visit
- A book that's based on a TV show or movie/becoming a TV show or movie (or other similar variants)

I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that immediately spring to mind as feeling very overdone, so I can see where people might be less willing to vote for them again unless some kind of more unique spin was put on them to shake things up a bit. I want to be clear -- there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of these prompts, and people should still suggest or second them if they want them!

[Kahlia]

I get that the intention is to include both pairs/twins and trios for the 23 connection, but I think I'd prefer a two-week prompt of 'two books related to a pair (of objects, people, etc)'.

For example, I think it would be hard to find a book that covers both twin cities in one, but you could read a different book about each. Or you could read two different books about characters called Ben and Jerry, or a book with an apple on the cover and one with an orange, or whatever.

[Meg]

My suggestion for a multiweek prompt:
3 books set in 3 different centuries

I never get to nominate because of my time zone, but if someone likes it feel free to suggest it for me!

[Tracy]

I like that one!

[Pam]

Meg - I like your suggestion about the 3 centuries and will suggest it, if I remember.

[Pamela, Arciform Mod]

Tracy wrote: "I can appreciate not wanting the overlap, but should people in one group have to also sort out all the possible duplicates with another group?
"

I see this as a democracy. If someone thinks something is a good idea, they throw it out and maybe there's so many people who don't want to overlap with another group they vote it down, but maybe they don't. I know there have been prompts here I would not mind repeating so maybe that's true for those who do multiple challenges, Or maybe not that many people do multiple