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The Little Things You Found That Prove J.K. is a GENIUS!!!
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:) Anyone else have anything?I'm still surprised that Nagini was the snake from the first book!!
I was blown away when i reread Philosopher's Stone and realized that Dumbledore used the Deluminator in the first Chapter. And he gave it to Ron in the seventh book. I mean come on, the amount of thought she put into this series is just amazing.QUEEN!
****Kelly***** wrote: ":) Anyone else have anything?I'm still surprised that Nagini was the snake from the first book!!"
JK Rowling has stated that this rumour is incorrect. Different species of snake or something.
REALLY!?!? i thought she pointedly said that but i guess your right. the snake in the 1st book was a boa constrictor or something and what was Nagini again?
****Kelly***** wrote: "REALLY!?!? i thought she pointedly said that but i guess your right. the snake in the 1st book was a boa constrictor or something and what was Nagini again?"The quote you're talking about was fake. I can't remember the details and I'm not invested enough in the series to care about Googling all the information.
Just wanted to correct you because the snake thing always comes up on Goodreads discussions.
whoa those are good!! i knew she named the Blacks after that stars but the rest i didn't know!!!
Any one else?
Seven's a lucky number, and almost everything is catogorized into groups of seven. (Number of quidditch players for example)
7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 are every where in that book!!! 7 floors 7 Weaselys 7 everything!!
****Kelly***** wrote: "7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 are every where in that book!!! 7 floors 7 Weaselys 7 everything!!"Yup!!!
i loved that the Weasley twins bewitched a snowball and made it smack itself against the back of Professor Q.'s head!!!
!!!!!!!!! (just in case you thought I was being sarcastic)
****Kelly***** wrote: "Lupin's nick name was Romulus- Romulus and Remus (founders of Rome)"Lupin's Potterwatch nickname is good. But his real name is better. According to Roman mythology, Romulus and Remus were raised by wolves.
I think there's something to "Lupin" as well. From Wikipedia:
"Lupin" is derived from "lupinus", Latin for "wolf-like"
Ria wrote: "Neville did magic poorly in his first 5 years with his dad's wand. He progressed when he got a new one because THE WAND CHOOSES THE WIZARD! There's a lot of these. "I was actually kinda disappointed in Half Blood Prince because of this. I was hoping to see Neville thriving with his own wand (and the confidence he must have found by fighting at the ministry) but it didn't come up very much.
yeah i think one of the things about HP that really amazes me is how Jo carefully named the characters, things, places, spells etc. like how (i know this is common knowledge but...) Grimmauld Place- is a wordplay on "Grim Old Place" and The mirror of "ERISED" is desire spelled backwards.
AgCl wrote: "yeah i think one of the things about HP that really amazes me is how Jo carefully named the characters, things, places, spells etc. like how (i know this is common knowledge but...) Grimmauld Plac..."
yeah the mirror of erised is a great one because the engravings on the top look like they're in some strange language but really they say "I show not your face but your heart's desire", backwards. That's from memory but I think I got the wording correct.
yeah the mirror of erised is a great one because the engravings on the top look like they're in some strange language but really they say "I show not your face but your heart's desire", backwards. That's from memory but I think I got the wording correct.
****Kelly***** wrote: "Hey everyone!!! I just reread Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, and i just started to see the little things J.K.R. put in that to me are just so cool and now i want to talk about it!
The one t..."
The etymology of the names are brilliant!
Remus Lupin= wolf-like etc.
Severus (Snape) = severe/strict
Albul Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore = In brief:
Albus means Bright/White/Pure
Percival may refer to the knight, who was stong and a hero
Wulfric may refer to Beowulf, who slew (slayed?) Grendel, which sounds like Gellert Grindelwald. Also Wulfric= Wolf Power
Brian = could be an anagram of Brain, just a guess.
Dumbledore = Bumblebee "Rowling stated she imagined him flitting about the castle humming to himself."
Most of this comes from http://harrypotter.wikia.com//, the font of all knowledge xx heehee :)
The one t..."
The etymology of the names are brilliant!
Remus Lupin= wolf-like etc.
Severus (Snape) = severe/strict
Albul Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore = In brief:
Albus means Bright/White/Pure
Percival may refer to the knight, who was stong and a hero
Wulfric may refer to Beowulf, who slew (slayed?) Grendel, which sounds like Gellert Grindelwald. Also Wulfric= Wolf Power
Brian = could be an anagram of Brain, just a guess.
Dumbledore = Bumblebee "Rowling stated she imagined him flitting about the castle humming to himself."
Most of this comes from http://harrypotter.wikia.com//, the font of all knowledge xx heehee :)
It still amazes me that Tom Marvolo Riddle rearranges to I Am Lord Voldemort.And the inscription on the mirror of Erised says something backwards as well.
And remember when Professor Trelawney made the prediction that when 13 dine the first to rise is the first to die and everyone scoffed at it? Well throughout the series there are times where 13 people are sitting together and this prediction comes true and I think that's pretty detailed!
Wow that IS cool! Prof Trewlawney is obviously not THAT much of a fraud.
And yes, the inscription says "I show not your face but your heart's desire", in mirror vision xx
And yes, the inscription says "I show not your face but your heart's desire", in mirror vision xx
The Vanishing Cabinet was a big one for me.It's mentioned in 'Chamber of Secrets' (when Harry hides in it at Borgin and Burkes) and then again when Peeves drops the Hogwarts one (and breaks it) later on. Then it pops up again in 'Order of the Phoenix' (still broken) when that Slytherin bloke gets shoved into it (I forget his name) and then it's a huge plot device in 'Half Blood Prince'. It's awesome.
That's a good one!!!!! i never noticed that!!!!!!
Maria wrote: "It still amazes me that Tom Marvolo Riddle rearranges to I Am Lord Voldemort."Apparently in the French translation they had to change his middle name to Elvis to make the anagram come out right!
Eleni wrote: "Maria wrote: "It still amazes me that Tom Marvolo Riddle rearranges to I Am Lord Voldemort."Apparently in the French translation they had to change his middle name to Elvis to make the anagram co..."
Tom Elvis Jedusor! I thought it was pretty funny when I first heard that!!
SPOILER ALERT!!! (Saw this on a Harry Potter fact site; I didn't discover it myself) The first thing that Snape says to Harry ("'Potter! What would I get if I added powdered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood?'" (102)) foreshadows the ending. Victorian Flower Language states that asphodel is a type of lily meaning "my regrets follow you to the grave" and wormwood means "absence" which also symbolizes bitter sorrow. The entire sentence basically means "I bitterly regret Lily's death".Also Severus Snape is an anagram for Persues Evans (Evans being Lily's maiden name). I don't know if that was on purpose but it's still pretty cool how it works out.
Really love this thread. Learning a lot about my favourite books!!
Meanings of The Harry Potter Character NamesAberforth – In Gaelic, it means “from the river.”
Abraxas – The supreme Gnostic Deity. Had the body of a man, the head of a cock, and serpents for feet. It is believed “Abra-cadabra” originated from his name.
Alastor – It means “defender of mankind.”
Albus – In Latin, it means “white”. Wisdom.
Alecto – In Greek mythology, Alecto was one of the Furies. Her name is derived from the Greek “alektos,” meaning “unceasing in anger.”
Alphard – Perhaps derived from the dominant star in the constellation Alpha Hydra, the Water Serpent. Alphard can mean “the heart of the serpent” or in Arabic, “the solitary one.”
Ambrosius Flume – As the founder of Honeydukes, his first name most likely comes from the word “ambrosia,” which is especially sweet and delicious. A “flume” is a “narrow tunnel” that usually has something flowing through it. Combining the names, he can be seen as a supplier of sweets.
Amos – In the Bible, Amos was a prophet who tried to make the people understand that without morals and prayers, salvation wouldn’t come.
Amycus – Another Death Eater who broke into Hogwarts. In Greek mythology, the son of Poseidon and Melia, a champion boxer and king of mythical people.
Andromeda – In Greek mythology, Andromeda should be married to her uncle Phineus but marries Perseus, the famous hero, instead. . Phineus sounds like Phineas Nigellus, Sirius’ great-great-grandfather. In the Old Testament, Phineas kills an Israelite man for being in love with a woman who belongs to another ethnical group. As our Phineas was a Slytherin teacher, this can’t be coincidence!
Arabella – Name translates as “prayerful.” Also means “eagle” or “heroine.” “Eagle eye” is slang for someone who is very attentive and watches over something or someone.
Aragog – “Arachnid” means spider and “Gog” was the name of a legendary giant. Combined, the name means “giant spider.” Also possibly derived from the Greek word “agog,” meaning “leader.”
Arcturus – The fourth brightest star in the sky, located within the handle of ‘The Plough.’ Its name derives from Ancient Greek, meaning “bear guard”.
Argus – In Greek mythology, Argus was a monster that had a hundred eyes and was ever-so-watchful. The name “Argus” means “bright and watchful.” Sounds like Filch.
Ariana – of Welsh origin meaning “silver.” Also a derivation of the Greek “Ariadne” meaning ‘most Holy.’
Arthur – Could represent King Arthur. Arthur Weasley sounds like Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington, who won the Battler of Waterloo.
Bagman – A person who collects money, as for racketeers.
Bagshot – A town in Surrey, England. The name is thought to be derived from a tribe and the Anglo-saxon word for “The place of” meaning “the place of Bacca’s tribe” though Bag could also mean badger, “the place of the Badger”, creating a reference to Hufflepuff.
Bane – Means “nemesis,” “bringer of ruin,” “pernicious to well-being,” “the agent or instrument of ruin or woe,” or in Old English “slayer” or “murderer.”
Bathilda – The name Bathilda is of Old German origin, and its meaning is “woman warrior”.
Bellatrix – “Bella” is a construct of the word “bellum” meaning “war” and “trix” refers to “a woman in power.”
Binns, Professor – A “bin” is what the British call “a garbage can.” Many students consider Professor Binns’ information to be rubbish. In Northern England, “Binns” is a slang term for glasses, possibly referring to the professor’s academic nature.
Blaise – Blaise was the teacher of Merlin. From the Roman name Blasius, which means “lisping.” From the Latin “blaesus.”
Bode – To be an omen. When things are said to not “bode” well for somebody, it usually implies dark times ahead. It also means “a stop or delay.”
Brian – From Old Celtic “bre” meaning “hill” or by extension “high, noble.” Brian Boru was an Irish king who thwarted Viking attempts to conquer Ireland in the 11th century. People associate Brian as a last name but believe it’s derived from Brian Boru.
Bullstrode – A “bull” is “an adult male bovine animal” and “strode” means to “be astride of” or “straddle.”
Burke – Most likely named after the famous murderer and body snatcher William Burke. He used to operate in Edinburgh around 1740, and considering J.K. Rowling comes from Edinburgh, this is too much of a coincidence.
Cadogan, Sir – Cadogan is a Welsh name meaning “terrible and fierce in battle.”
Caratacus – the Latin version of the old Welsh name Caradog, meaning ‘”beloved.”
Cassandra – A prophetess. The daughter of Priam, king of Troy. She foresaw the fall of Troy. After spurning Apollo’s amorous advances, the sun god gave Cassandra the gift of prophecy .
Cedric – Old English for “chief” or “warleader.”
Charlie – A diminutive of Charles, which means “manly” and “strong.”
Cho Chang – Cho is Japanese for “butterfly” and in Chinese means “autumn.” Chang is Chinese for “free” or “unhindered.” In Chinese, “chou chang” means “melancholy.”
Cole, Mrs. – Similar to role she plays as head of Tom Riddle’s orphanage in Half-Blood Prince, in Jane Austen’s Emma, there is a character named Mrs. Cole who serves much of the same role. We all know this is one of Jo’s favorite books.
Colin – Means “youth, child, or victor.” Also means “young dog,” which fits his devotion to Harry.
Cormac – Cormac is of Irish origin meaning “charioteer.” Also means “son of defilement.” Cormac was the son of a King in Celtic legend. He was on a mission when he was put under a spell by a jealous lover of one of his competitors. Funny how Hermione puts Cormac under a spell during Quidditch tryouts so Ron can get on the team.
Cornelius – See Lucius.
Creevey – From Irish origin, meaning ‘prolific’ – possibly a reference to the creevey brothers’ persistence or from “Creeve” =”to burst,” suggesting the Creevey brothers’ excitability.
Crookshanks – “Crook” comes from “crooked,” meaning “bent or not straight,” and “shank” is a “leg or a leg-like part.” J.K. Rowling said herself she gave Hermione’s cat “bandy-legs” and Crookshanks is often described as being “bow-legged.”
Dedalus – Daedalus was a famous Athenian inventor from Greek mythology who built the Labyrinth for King Minos and helped make wings for himself and his son, Icarus, amongst other things.
Demelza – Demelza House is Dan Radcliffe’s favorite charity.
Diggory – Could be an allusion to Digory Kirke, a character from The Chronicles of Narnia, specifically The Magician’s Nephew. He grew up to be the Professor in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. This character had a strong sense of right and wrong, was loyal to his friends, kept his promises, and loved his mother.
Dobby – A fatuous or foolish person. Also, a weave of cloth that is durable and natural-looking. Finer stores still sell shirts made of “dobby” weave.
Dolohov – This Death Eater shares the name of a trouble-making character in Leo Tolstoy’s War and Peace.
Dolores – Of Latin origin. Means “lady of sorrows or pain” . In Greek, “doleros” means “deceitful.” In Spanish, “dolor” means “to have pain.”
Draco – Draco is a constellation that looks like a dragon but is a snake. In Latin, Draco means “dragon.” “Draconian” means “harsh or cruel.” In Romanian, “drac” means “devil.”
Dudley – An aristocratic surname used as a first name since the 19th Century. Also, a town in one of England’s largest cities – Birmingham.
Dumbledore – Means “Bumblebee” in Old English. J.K. Rowling has said that she chose this name because she imagined Dumbledore walking around the castle, humming to himself.
Dursley – A town near J.K. Rowling’s birthplace.
Elphias Doge – Doge was the title of the ruler of Venice from the 8th to 18th Century. “Corno,” meaning horn in Italian.
Errol – Means “wanderer” in Old English.
Evans – A Celtic name that means “young warrior.”
Fawkes – Guy Fawkes was an English Catholic who, in 1605, tried to blow up the House of Parliament as an act of rebellion against the new Protestant government.
Fenrir – Fenrir or Fenris in Norse mythology is a gigantic and terrible monster in the shape of a wolf.
Fifi LaFolle – Author of Enchanting Encounters. Her name translates as Fifi “The Insane One.”
Figg – “Fig” means “not literal” and a “fig leaf” is something that “conceals or camouflages.”
Filch – Means to “steal.”
Filius – In Latin, “filius” means “son.”
Firenze – Italian name for the city of Florence. Florence was the same city that the famous astronomer Galileo lived in for most of his life.
Fleur Delacour – Means “Flower of the Court” in French. It could also be a clever play on the similar French word “coeur” meaning “heart” .
Flitwick – A town in England. It could also be interpreted as the movement of a wand – flit and wick.
Florean Fortescue – “Florean” means “flower” in Latin.
Fluffy – Cerberus, the three-headed dog was the guardian of the underworld in Greek mythology. Orpheus got past Cerberus by lulling it to sleep with music.
Fudge – “Fudge,” besides being a delicious chocolate confection, can mean “nonsense.” As a verb, it means to “evade” or to “falsify.” In technological jargon, it means “to perform in an incomplete but marginally acceptable way.”
Gabrielle – In Hebrew, Gabrielle means “hero of God.”
Gaunt – To be very skinny especially because of hunger or disease or cold; to have a bony body.
Gellert – Gellert is the Hungarian version of Gerard, which comes from the Germanic ger, “spear”, and hard, “brave, hardy”.
Gilderoy – A highwayman known for being handsome. May also come from the word “gilded,” which is defined as having a “pleasing, showy appearance, which covers something of little worth.” The name “Roy” is Old French for “regal one” or “king.”
Ginny – “Ginevra,” an Italian female and woman of the people, her name means “Juniper” as in evergreen tree. However, J.K. Rowling has also said that she picked the name because she wanted something different and special for the only Weasley girl!
Godric – Means “power of god.” Derived from the Old English “god” combined with “ric,” meaning “power” and “rule.” Name became conmmonly used after the Norman conquest.
Granger – A granger was also a very common person, just like Hermione’s parents. Granger is the name of a character from the book Fahrenheit 451. He is the leader of a group of intellectuals known as “The Book People,” whose goal is the preservation of literature in the face of their government’s efforts to burn and destroy all books. A possible reference to Hermione’s fanatical love of books?
Greyback – Similar to the term “silverback” used for the dominant male in a band of gorillas. We all know Fenrir Greyback is the dominant werewolf in the wizarding world.
Grindelwald – Perhaps derived from the Anglo-Saxon epic Beowulf character Grendel, the demon.
Gryffindor – A “griffin” was “a creature in mythology with the body of a lion and the head of an eagle.” Also known in Greek Mythology as the “gryphon,” it was the protector of a god’s gold from mortal men. In Greek, “gryphon” means “protector of wealth.” In French “d’or” means “of gold,” one of the Gryffindor House colors.
Hagrid – J.K. Rowling said: “Hagrid is also another old English word meaning if you were Hagrid, it’s a dialect word meaning you’d had a bad night. Hagrid’s a big drinker. He has a lot of bad nights.” Grid was a Norse giantess known for having a terrible temper. “Ha”
I found these in a site and they are really cool
I love it because JK Rowling seemed to have everything worked out. It was amazing how she connected the horcruxes to the diary from the second book. And everything just fit so perfectly. The thing I really thought was amazing is how she added in that Voldemort-- er, I can't tell if he was still Tom at the time... Anyways, he didn't get the teacher position, and thus cursed the job so no defense against the dark arts teacher could stay for longer than a year...
In the Half-Blood Prince, Draco mended the vanishing cabinet. In the Chamber of Secrets book, peeves was smashing it through floors and walls, breaking it!!!! :O
wow! i never noticed that!!!
That is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never noticed that before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've recently read some where about how the books were symmetrical. If you split the series down the middle or something then the books copy themselves.......I don't remember the whole thing but the example was that in the 3rd book Fudge sends dementors to Hogarts and in the 5th he sends umbridge so it's symmetrical!!
****Kelly***** wrote: "I've recently read some where about how the books were symmetrical. If you split the series down the middle or something then the books copy themselves.......I don't remember the whole thing but th..."
Wow that's cool!
Also, The Philosopher's Stone was published around the same time that the Deathly Hallows is set... "I open at the close".
Wow that's cool!
Also, The Philosopher's Stone was published around the same time that the Deathly Hallows is set... "I open at the close".
*sigh* I love that one!!!!
Okay, so this is probably the most amazing theory I have ever heard, but note that it will contain spoilers for he 7th book:
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*mindblown*
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*mindblown*
That is a pretty cool theory, but Ron and Harry slept in the same room and did everything with each other for 6/7 years, as well as Neville, Seamus and all the rest, so in that way it doesn't work as well.
Mm, good point. But it's still pretty neat, I feel... Maybe because they were with him constantly for 11 years? *Julane asked hopefully*
Julane wrote: "Okay, so this is probably the most amazing theory I have ever heard, but note that it will contain spoilers for he 7th book:So Ginny is possessed by a horcrux in the 2nd book and does some bad ..."
Whoa I just felt my stomach drop that's such a shocking theory!!! But the Dursleys were alway mean to the Potters even before Harry was born... But still amazing theory!!!
Julane wrote: "Okay, so this is probably the most amazing theory I have ever heard, but note that it will contain spoilers for he 7th book:So Ginny is possessed by a horcrux in the 2nd book and does some bad ..."
Great theory BUT in the prologue the Dursley's were still bad people and Petunia has always been bitter to Lily
Yeah, I think she was jealous, and probably sad about losing her best friend and sister. I'm not saying the Dursley's were great to begin with, but I doubt that they were abusive and would starve him at the very beginning...
Julane wrote: "Okay, so this is probably the most amazing theory I have ever heard, but note that it will contain spoilers for he 7th book:So Ginny is possessed by a horcrux in the 2nd book and does some bad ..."
Not all Horcruxes have the same side effects I think. The diary didn't made Ginny really mean or something like what the locket did. So maybe the horcrux in Harry also didn't make people mean.
(I'm sorry for my bad english)
Not mean, necessarily, but focused on your inner weakness or-- in Ginny's case-- possessed. It might just enhance a feeling you already had (again, not in Ginny's case), like Ron. He maybe had his slight doubts and everything, but not that much.
Julane wrote: "Okay, so this is probably the most amazing theory I have ever heard, but note that it will contain spoilers for he 7th book:
So Ginny is possessed by a horcrux in the 2nd book and does some bad ..."
That's cool, but when people are influenced by a horcrux they are bad to everyone around them, not just one person. The Dursley's would all have to hate each other, instead of just Harry, for that to make sense
So Ginny is possessed by a horcrux in the 2nd book and does some bad ..."
That's cool, but when people are influenced by a horcrux they are bad to everyone around them, not just one person. The Dursley's would all have to hate each other, instead of just Harry, for that to make sense
Good point. Amd I understand the flaws and everything. Maybe because they already disliked Harry a bit and stuff (Petunia was jelous of Lily) and they just focused all of their messed up soul energy on them? XD I don't even know.
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The one thing that amazed the most was J.K.R.'s creativity while giving the special nick names for the people on 'Potterwatch' (you know, the radio show that Ron was talking about).
And here are the connections i made:
Lee Jordan's nick name was River - The Jordan River
Lupin's nick name was Romulus- Romulus and Remus (founders of Rome)
Kingsley's nick name was Royal- haha, get it? KINGsley
I just thought that was amazing and i just had to say it.