Baker Street Irregulars discussion
A New Sherlock Holmes series
I wasn't a big fan of the Downey/Ritchie Holmes film. (I didn't see the second one.) But then, I wasn't and am not a fan of Sherlock/Cumberbatch, just goes to show that tastes vary.I do like Downey as an actor, though, especially in his non-superhero films.
I have a feeling they're going to follow the Marvel model, try to create a "Holmes Universe". So maybe we'll see a show featuring Irene Adler, and then one featuring Lestrade.Just a guess.
J. wrote: "I wasn't a big fan of the Downey/Ritchie Holmes film. (I didn't see the second one.) But then, I wasn't and am not a fan of Sherlock/Cumberbatch, just goes to show that tastes vary.I do like Down..."
the first downey was very good the second was very disappointing!
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i have the same opinion as you of the 2 films!
Rohit wrote: "I got interested in Sherlock Holmes only because of Robert downey jr and his film"Interesting. I am a big fan of Jane Austen and a member of the Jane Austen Society of North America. The organization saw a huge jump membership after the excellent '95 miniseries version of "Pride and Prejudice" which was, for many of these new members', their introduction to Austen.
I don't know if this is going to be a series or a one-off, but apparently there is a movie or TV movie called "The InTEXTigator: The Line of the Four about a female detective, Leah Strade (get it ?Lestrade) who is paired with Sherlock, a robot detective. They are investigating an art theft.The setup - real cop/AI cop - reminds me of a series that was on several years ago, Almost Human. Pretty good series, I think it only lasted a season.
I recently watched the rebooted Perry Mason series for HBO, which was produced by Downey and his wife, and I really disliked the changes they made to make the characters more "modern", but really were all of the predictable things that Hollywood does these days. I'll wait for them to prove me wrong about this series.
Yeah - I didn't like the Perry Mason reboot/origin story. I feel like if that's the route you're going to take, you should be able to see hints of the "recognizable" Perry Mason, or any other character, in the origin story. I saw Batman in the TV series Gotham,. I even saw Sherlock Holmes in the movie "Young Sherlock Holmes", but I wasn't seeing Perry Mason.
Barbara wrote: "I don't know if this is going to be a series or a one-off, but apparently there is a movie or TV movie called "The InTEXTigator: The Line of the Four about a female detective, Leah Strade (get it ?..."I got a DM from the writer/director to thank me for mentioning InTEXTtigator. I said he should jump in and give us all the details.
Barbara wrote: "The setup - real cop/AI cop = reminds me of a series that was on several years ago, Almost Human. Pretty good series..."I was also a fan of "Almost Human" - underrated series.
Hey guys. I am the Writer/Director/Producer of The InTEXTigator series that Barbara mentioned in this thread. I am a completely self taught filmmaker, who make no budget short films as a hobby by collaborating with artists from around the world. The InTEXTigator series is a modern take on the Sherlock Holmes series. Although it primarily explores the pros and cons of technology, the differences between humans & machines etc., the influence of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's classic can be seen throughout my series from the name of its main protagonist and some characters, the sub-titles of each of the films which are spin offs of the 4 novels of the canon (A Study in Samples, The Line of the Four etc.), and more. There will be 5 films in the series, and 3 of them are already out. The first 3 have appeared in more than 25 film festivals in around 10 countries. They can all be watched on YouTube.
Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtQ1X...)
Part 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYJxS...)
Part 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb7s-...)
I would love to hear your thoughts on the series, and answer any questions any of you may have
I think I liked the third one best. A few years ago there was this movie called "Searching" about a father who's searching for his missing daughter and he does it all by going through her social media. It was a clever idea, but the viewer had to do a lot of reading of texts, DMs etc and - speaking only for myself - it got tedious because, like many people, I have to wear reading glasses and have a hard time with on-screen text, including subtitles.I loved the idea and there is something to be said for a 21st century Sherlock being AI but the last one was more fun for me, and loved the art theft idea.
Are you going to continue the series?
Hey Thank you Barbara, I have heard of Searching, will watch it soon.
Part of the reason I made the first 2 in this format was because it does seem a bit tedious and 'claustrophobic', feelings I imagined would also happen if Sherlock was real and its investigation went in this fashion. When we introduce the human cop in part 3, it seems more colourful and has a bigger canvas to enhance that contrast. Another reason why I did the format was because at the time I made the first 2 (Mar - Aug 2020), there was a hard lockdown when I couldn't meet up with anyone so I had to make both those films purely sitting from home, and collaborating with everyone remotely.
This will be a 5 part series (so 2 more to come), and I will be introducing more Sherlock Holmes references/characters too (Moriarty, Watson etc). It will be taking Sherlock the AI forward as it gets entrusted with more and more high profile cases, and it affects more and more people.
I like the idea of Leah Strade - Lestrade - and curious to know how Watson is going to be portrayed.
Thanks you. The version of Watson will most likely make an appearance in part 5 (the finale) of the series. This will also be a female (human), and will be ally for Sherlock. In part 4 though the plan is to unleash Moriarty, a rival AI and it should make for a Sherlock vs Moriarty (AI vs AI standoff)
I tend to agree with Barbara about the reading, but totally understand the challenges of making a film during lockdowns.I have to say, when the series "Elementary" was announced, I was pretty negative about a female Watson, but Lucy Liu totally sold me, so I'll be interested to see this take.
Also liked the art theft idea - Holmes obviously displayed a knowledge of classic art so it's a good idea for a case.
John wrote: "Thanks a lot j.Rubino"It occurred to me that you might think of graphic novels as companion pieces to the films. I think the material might be well suited to a graphic novel format.
Thank you for the suggestion. I have to admit I never thought about making graphic novels to be honest. I chose films as I have a deep passion for filmmaking (I have made/currently making other films as well), but I will certainly look more into graphic novels and if I like it. Thanks
I would like to see someone reactivate the BBC TV series, called initially, Dr Bell & Mr Doyle then The Murder Rooms, set in Doyle's native Edinburgh. The series accomplished something no other has managed to do by introducing us to a Sherlock Holmes model in an entirely new way, and, whilst Sherlock Holmes is still my favorite sleuth, there is a special place in my heart for Dr. Bell, both as inspiration for him and as a remarkable man in his own right.In point of fact, in 1888, Scotland Yard was desperate to identify Jack the Ripper and elicited the advice and conclusions of notable specialists across the UK, including Bell and an associate (reckoned to be Doyle) were sent the information the police had gathered. They studied the case separately, and when they exchanged their findings were gratified to see that they had reached the same conclusion. While officially the murders were never solved, it is notable that within a week of Bell submitting his hypothesis, the Ripper killings ended.
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J. wrote: "I wasn't a big fan of the Downey/Ritchie Holmes film. (I didn't see the second one.) But then, I wasn't and am not a fan of Sherlock/Cumberbatch, just goes to show that tastes vary.I do like Down..."
Adler was never a love interest, so I'm all Adler-ed out ! She is a one off character who is only in "The Scandal in Bohemian" (referred to as the late IA in paragraph one) and thereafter only refered to because she outwitted him as a reminder to SH that he is not infallible and that he can be bested at his own game - it just so happens it's a female.
Remember that SH asks Watson to whisper past failures into his 'shell like' whenever Watson thinks SH is getting a bit too cocky.
I remember Holmes telling Watson to whisper "Norbury" in his ear when he - Holmes - got too full of himself, because in The Yellow Face he came to the wrong conclusion. Remember it because I really like the ending of that tale.
Barbara wrote: "I remember Holmes telling Watson to whisper "Norbury" in his ear when he - Holmes - got too full of himself, because in The Yellow Face he came to the wrong conclusion. Remember it because I really..."Yes, The Yellow Face, that is what I am referring to. This is a subtle little tale of inter-racial marriage and a mixed-race child. Surprisingly, it has a happy ending, but we only reach it after Holmes has misinterpreted the evidence, jumped to the wrong conclusion, and generally messed up. However, he has the grace to admit his errors to Watson, quote: “Watson” said he, “if it should ever strike you that I am getting a little over-confident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it deserves, kindly whisper ‘Norbury’ in my ear and I shall be infinitely obliged to you”.
I heard a while back about a Watson series without Holmes. Now today, I heard about another Holmes series which looks like it might eliminate Watson. it's Holmes & Daughter (I don't know if that's the actual title or just a description of what it is) It's being developed for the CW network, which programs pretty much for Gen Z and millennials.
Barbara wrote: "I heard a while back about a Watson series without Holmes. Now today, I heard about another Holmes series which looks like it might eliminate Watson. it's Holmes & Daughter (I don't know if that's ..."I had not heard about the two new series (i.e. Watson and the one you mentioned called Holmes and Daughter) so, having read what's online I find myself disappointed. I dislike adaptions that do not follow the Canon and there are so many questions that remain unanswered in the articles I have found online. For example there is no mention of the era either series is to be set in, although there is a photo online of a bowler hatted Holmes (which could be from Enola Holmes) with an Edwardian looking suit on, but dislike the idea of a secret daughter for Holmes as much as I disliked the idea of a secret younger sister.
Barbara wrote: "I don't know if this is going to be a series or a one-off, but apparently there is a movie or TV movie called "The InTEXTigator: The Line of the Four about a female detective, Leah Strade (get it ?..."I really liked Almost Human - I've never heard anyone mention it!
J. wrote: "I tend to agree with Barbara about the reading, but totally understand the challenges of making a film during lockdowns.I have to say, when the series "Elementary" was announced, I was pretty neg..."
In a tv movie called "Cruise of The Gods", Steve Coogan plays a UK actor who has gone to the US and makes a tv series set in the modern day called Sherlock Holmes In Miami with an African American Watson. I suppose it was the most ridiculous thing they could think of in 2002, but along came Elementary (which I did enjoy.)
Old Scot wrote: "Barbara wrote: "I don't know if this is going to be a series or a one-off, but apparently there is a movie or TV movie called "The InTEXTigator: The Line of the Four about a female detective, Leah ..."It's not been on NZ TV but I did take a peek at the trailer before writing this, sounds okay so I might have watched a couple of episodes to see if it Gelled or not.
Outlander wrote: "Old Scot wrote: "Barbara wrote: "I don't know if this is going to be a series or a one-off, but apparently there is a movie or TV movie called "The InTEXTigator: The Line of the Four about a female..."It's not been on NZ TV but I did try to take a peek at the trailer before writing this, but there are no excerpts of the Sherlock Holmes in Miami scenes that I could find so I can't say more than than this - sounds pretty bad to me !
I found the modern setting for Elementary off putting, but Joan Watson was rather good as a live in doctor keeping an eye on things - not a favourite TV show by any means.
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2050 - A new series about Sherlock Holmes in which Sherlock is a transgender woman along with Watson who is a black gay man.
Rohit wrote: "Outlander wrote: "Barbara wrote: "I heard a while back about a Watson series without Holmes. Now today, I heard about another Holmes series which looks like it might eliminate Watson. it's Holmes &..."I still can't find a reference to this show anywhere online - who is in this ?
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I guess we will have to wait till 2049 for that :D
Hits just keep on coming. This week it was announced that there is ANOTHER Holmes series in the works for the CW channel - "Sherlock and Daughter", probably going after the Enola Holmes viewer. David Thewlis is supposed to play Holmes.Please people please - Doyle's Holmes is good enough. If you want something new, go to some of the anthologies of new Sherlock Holmes stories (I'm partial to the ones from MX) and do a period authentic, Doyle faithful program.
Barbara wrote: "Hits just keep on coming. This week it was announced that there is ANOTHER Holmes series in the works for the CW channel - "Sherlock and Daughter", probably going after the Enola Holmes viewer. Dav..."I most heartily agree with you sentiments regarding why there is a need to "invent" new forms of Sherlock Holmes formats - just use the canon, set it in the correct era and let the "real" Sherlock Holmes shine through. Don't marry him off, give him various children and please, please, please no more Irene Adler, anyway, she is declared the late IA in the first paragraph of "A Scandal in Bohemia".
Some time ago, I came upon a pilot that actually got good reviews, though it was never picked up. It was called "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" and it involved an American named Jane Watson who has to go to the family estate in England (forget why) and comes upon a cryogenically frozen Sherlock Holmes.
J. wrote: " It was called "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" and it involved an American named Jane Watson who has..."Was that the one from the 1980s?
J. wrote: "Some time ago, I came upon a pilot that actually got good reviews, though it was never picked up. It was called "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" and it involved an American named Jane Watson who has..."Not something I have heard of personally, but looking it up I found it was a CBS show from 1987. The synopsis makes it sound very like a BBC TV show from the mid 1960's that was very popular called "Adam Adamant Lives !" with Gerald Harper.
Adamant was modeled on SH as he was an expert boxer and swordsman (he too carried a sword stick) and was proficient in jujitsu (barititsu) but not a sleuth. Adamant was an Edwardian gent who was frozen by the villain, then revived during the demolition of the building his tomb was hidden in.
The comedy of the first episode of him being exposed to the 1960's was really a satirical poke at the swinging 60's and how shocked Adamant was seeing mini skirts, discos, strip clubs, etc of Soho. It was a short time rival (only 2 seasons) to the ITV smash hit "The Avengers" and "The New Avengers" (9-10 seasons) where Adamant & Steed were very similar central characters.
Outlander wrote: "J. wrote: "Some time ago, I came upon a pilot that actually got good reviews, though it was never picked up. It was called "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" and it involved an American named Jane Wat..."I found the Adam Adamant adventures on youtube. Someone had uploaded the series. Interesting to see London in the 1960s.
Old Scot wrote: "J. wrote: " It was called "The Return of Sherlock Holmes" and it involved an American named Jane Watson who has..."Was that the one from the 1980s?"
Yes it was from the late 80s. There was another TV film from the early 90s called "Sherlock Holmes Returns", also an unsold pilot. There was also an unsold pilot from the mid-70s called "The Return of the World's Greatest Detective" that starred the actor Larry Hagman in his pre-Dallas days. He was not Holmes, but a policeman who suffered a head injury and wakes from a coma believing he is Sherlock Holmes.
Read a little more about Holmes and Daughter - apparently Holmes, the daughter (Amelia) and Moriarty are cast and the plot involves the murder of Amelia's mother.Just finished a YA called "A Study in Charlotte" where the main character, Charlotte Holmes, is a distant descendant of Sherlock Holmes and she goes to a co-ed boarding school where she meets a descendant of Watson. Wasn't crazy about the book, but it did seem pretty suited to the CW network and surprised it didn't get optioned.
I'm a little surprised that "A Study in Charlotte" didn't get picked up, especially because I heard that both series - the Watson series and Sherlock and Daughter are going to air on the CW network, which does lean toward the pre-teen and teen audience. Period pieces do add some cost to the production which would seem to favor Charlotte over S&D, but maybe they thought the Holmes connection was too thin, and the group of teens involved in a mystery would be too similar to what they program now.
I have not read the book in question, but I have read the synopsis, on Goodreads. Due to that synopsis I have to say that I would not go out of my way to read it as there is nothing to endear the story to me. Ditto feelings towards the upcoming TV series Sherlock & Daughter, another synopsis that does not inspire me.I like my SH in a London smog with no "complications" added to his cases - but then I'm 70 and a bit of a stickler for the Canon.
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