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The discussion in chapter 4, "When did belief in the Virgin Birth begin?" is quite similar to the way in which Benson described Anthony Norris's conversion (or his own), by pointing out that the Scripture does not have authority to declare itself the Word of God, and that this authority belongs to the Catholic Church.
In fact, this is the pivotal idea behind Benson's novel, as shown by its title: "By what authority?"
In fact, this is the pivotal idea behind Benson's novel, as shown by its title: "By what authority?"
In chapter 7, Sheen offers an alternative about the age of Joseph: either he was old (which he rejects, together with Corinna Turner in her Old Men Don't Walk to Egypt: Saint Joseph), or he would have been quite young.
I think he should have considered a third option: St. Joseph could have been in his prime, age about 40. Then he would have died between 65 and 70, a typical age for old men at that time. I prefer this option to the other two.
I think he should have considered a third option: St. Joseph could have been in his prime, age about 40. Then he would have died between 65 and 70, a typical age for old men at that time. I prefer this option to the other two.
Two things I didn't like in chapter 9, on the marriage feast at Cana:
1. Sheen says that the lack of wine during the marriage feast was the fault of Christ's disciples, who had come in a large number and charged at the food and wine. I have never seen such a suggestion before, and find it dubious, to say the least. He also says that Jesus and his disciples had journeyed for three days and covered a distance of ninety miles. How does he know? John's Gospel just says this: On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee. Also walking such a distance would have been unfeasible. Or did they use horses or camels?
2. Sheen comments Christ's answer to Mary: Woman, what's that to me? My hour is not yet come. In an long interpretation of these words (three long paragraphs), he says that Mary had to decide at that point about the time of Christ's cross and death, and that she chose to speed it up. I find this interpretation somewhat convoluted.
1. Sheen says that the lack of wine during the marriage feast was the fault of Christ's disciples, who had come in a large number and charged at the food and wine. I have never seen such a suggestion before, and find it dubious, to say the least. He also says that Jesus and his disciples had journeyed for three days and covered a distance of ninety miles. How does he know? John's Gospel just says this: On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee. Also walking such a distance would have been unfeasible. Or did they use horses or camels?
2. Sheen comments Christ's answer to Mary: Woman, what's that to me? My hour is not yet come. In an long interpretation of these words (three long paragraphs), he says that Mary had to decide at that point about the time of Christ's cross and death, and that she chose to speed it up. I find this interpretation somewhat convoluted.

The OT passages he quotes from the Wisdom literature are NOT about Mary. Mary did not pre-exist and co-create with God! Most theologians have read those passages as personifying Wisdom and foreshadowing our NT understanding of the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Blessed Trinity.
I also had trouble with his assertion that because Mary is sinless, we can aspire to be better. It would be just as easy to think, She was conceived without original sin so has an unfair advantage; I can never be like that.
Jill wrote: "The OT passages he quotes from the Wisdom literature are NOT about Mary... Most theologians have read those passages as personifying Wisdom..."
I thought the same when I read this.
I thought the same when I read this.

In chapter 11, Fulton Sheen shows himself a weak predictor of the future. The dogma of the Assumption having been proclaimed just before this book was published, he predicts that Within three decades the definition of the Assumption will cure the pessimism and despair of the modern world.
Seven decades later, the modern world is much worse than it was at that time.
Seven decades later, the modern world is much worse than it was at that time.
Mariangel wrote: "I have studied in school those passages as referring to Mary (of course, not only to Mary). Also, if I remember correctly we had that reading from Proverbs at some masses of the Virgin Mary..."
Yes, I was aware of that. But the original interpretation refers those passages to God's Wisdom, who according to most theologians would be the Son (or Christ). The association with Mary was secondary, as though she were Wisdom personified in a purely human being, while Christ-Wisdom is both God and Man.
When Sheen speaks about Mary's eternal blueprint in the mind of God, I think he's mixing time with eternity. The use of the term "blueprint" implies that God, at the beginning of time, had an idea about how I (or anyone) should be. Later in time, I came to exist, and failed signally, being different from my blueprint. But this is making God subject to time, which is absurd, for time was created by God.
God does not have a blueprint of me, which means "what I should have been but wasn't." Being outside time, God's eternal idea of me (or anyone else, including Mary) includes all I have done in time, good or bad. And yes, in the case of Mary, bad things are missing.
Yes, I was aware of that. But the original interpretation refers those passages to God's Wisdom, who according to most theologians would be the Son (or Christ). The association with Mary was secondary, as though she were Wisdom personified in a purely human being, while Christ-Wisdom is both God and Man.
When Sheen speaks about Mary's eternal blueprint in the mind of God, I think he's mixing time with eternity. The use of the term "blueprint" implies that God, at the beginning of time, had an idea about how I (or anyone) should be. Later in time, I came to exist, and failed signally, being different from my blueprint. But this is making God subject to time, which is absurd, for time was created by God.
God does not have a blueprint of me, which means "what I should have been but wasn't." Being outside time, God's eternal idea of me (or anyone else, including Mary) includes all I have done in time, good or bad. And yes, in the case of Mary, bad things are missing.
Chapter 15 (Equity & Equality) is very good. I wrote a similar post in my blog, titled "Numerical equality or equal opportunities." You can find it here: https://populscience.blogspot.com/201...

He has many ideas that hadn't occurred to me before, e.g.
-sacrifice of Isaac as punishment for passing off Sara as his sister
-Jesus as Mary's first-born entails her mothering us
-connecting the term "Woman" at Cana with the Cross
-proclamation of Immaculate Conception needed because of widespread belief in human perfectibility
Mary should lead people to Jesus, but in fact many with popular Marian piety have little to do with Jesus.
I don't think Mary envisioned the Cana miracle as embarking on the path to Calvary. She just saw a homely human need and brought it to Jesus' attention. No need to posit gratuitous "secret" miracles before this.


But it's simplistic to say God represents justice (punishment) and Mary mercy. God the All-Merciful is the source of mercy. That's why He sent Jesus to die for us!
I am behind, again. I have taken a new position and getting up to speed has proven to be quite overwhelming. I hope to spend real time this weekend reading more of our book.
Jill wrote: "But it's simplistic to say God represents justice (punishment) and Mary mercy. God the All-Merciful is the source of mercy. That's why He sent Jesus to die for us!"
I understand Sheen to mean here that God (who is Justice and Mercy) prefers petitions towards his mercy to be channeled through His Mother.
I understand Sheen to mean here that God (who is Justice and Mercy) prefers petitions towards his mercy to be channeled through His Mother.



How can he say democratic form of government is identified with belief in God and autocracy with militant atheism? There's nothing Christian about the democracies of Western Europe today! And tyrants like Putin (and, arguably, Trump) often make at least a pretense of being Christian.
