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J., your point about Tulsi Gabbard slightly misfires. I have a great respect fro much of what i have heard her say. If I were an American i would certainly vote for her bearing in mind what else is around, however, right now it seems to me she has had setbacks and has met institutional oipposition, and will have a big problem getting support from the Dem establishment in the near future. I think she does demonstrate institutional problems, which is a shame.Beau, I have no admiration for Hillary, but becaus eof what she did, not because she is a woman. It was not just Libya - her whole approach was hypocritical on many fronts. But I can't agree with you that Trump achieved much. He canned a whole lot of agreements, and irrespective of what you think of the rights or wrongs of Obama's agreement with Iran, the fact remains the situation with Iran is far worse now that it was before Trump acted. In short, Trump made things worse. Then when you look at his other achievements, they are pretty thin on the ground. The Conservatives will argue that was because Congress was hopelessly against everything on principle, and while that is true and while Congress was dysfunctional, that was partly Trump's fault. Previous Presidents have got things done, and some, like LBJ, while not very pleasant people, still made deals to get his programs implemented. Trump has boasted he is a great deal-maker, but he made nothing with Congress, and that to me indicates he was not functional as a President. The odd thing is, he may well reappear in 2024 because the Dems seem to be doing all they can to make that happen.
Ian wrote: "J., your point about Tulsi Gabbard slightly misfires. I have a great respect fro much of what i have heard her say. If I were an American i would certainly vote for her bearing in mind what else is..."No, my my aim was dead on. Who do you think led the defamatory attacks on Gabbard?
https://youtu.be/55hVhbBfNig
"Russia, Russia, Russia!"
- Hillary Rodham Clinton
J., we are a bit at cross-purposes. I didn't realise HRC led the attack on Tulsi, but certainly DNC made Tulsi's present position somewhat untenable. Hopefully, Tulsi, being younger, can emerge later because I think the Dems are going to need something of a miracle in the not-too-distant future. When the mess is cemented in, then maybe she will be considered more.
Ian wrote: "J., we are a bit at cross-purposes. I didn't realise HRC led the attack on Tulsi, but certainly DNC made Tulsi's present position somewhat untenable. Hopefully, Tulsi, being younger, can emerge lat..."This is where it gets horrible.
During his presidency, Obama didn't take any interest in the day to day operations of the DNC. He would do fund raisers for his elections, but he had to be harangued into doing anything for the party. But the Clintons made themselves available for all of that stuff.
So in 2016, everyone owed the Clintons. That's why she tied up the superdelegates almost before there were any votes cast in the primaries. For all intensive purposes, HRC was the DNC. And even though she lost, she still controls many of the purse strings.
Ian wrote: "J., we are a bit at cross-purposes. I didn't realise HRC led the attack on Tulsi, but certainly DNC made Tulsi's present position somewhat untenable. Hopefully, Tulsi, being younger, can emerge lat..."I expect Tulsi to bite them in the ass later. She is one to keep an eye on.
Papaphilly wrote: "I expect Tulsi to bite them in the ass later. She is one to keep an eye on."
I really like her. She'd be wasted as a pundit. Would love to see her in a prominent political position.
I really like her. She'd be wasted as a pundit. Would love to see her in a prominent political position.
Hillary left the people in the Benghazi embassy without protection, despite their pleas for help. Then she sat before the Congressional Committee and arrogantly proposed that it didn't matter what she had done: it was all in the past. And she got away with it and the deaths caused at her hands. Watch those hearings sometime. I don't dislike her because she's a woman; I dislike her because she's entitled, amoral, and arrogant.
I hope she'll really be crying before long when the truth comes out about her campaign's hacking of Trump. Fingers crossed, but she's slick like Willie.
J. wrote: "In 2020, I asked those questions about Joe Biden. The answers made me despise him.In 2016, I asked those questions about Donald Trump and Gary Johnson. I voted for Gary Johnson.
In 2012, I asked..."
2016 was the first time I voted third party. i could not vote for either Trump nor Clinton.
I had you down as a Trump voter, Papaphilly, albeit a reluctant one.
Beau wrote: "I had you down as a Trump voter, Papaphilly, albeit a reluctant one."I voted for him the second election. I have been around him for nearly 40 years. Much of his stupidity is not new to me. As a person, he is pretty egotistical and I have no love loss for him either. As a President, I thought the did a pretty good job in pretty harsh surroundings. I do think the Democrats were out to get him from the start and it went way beyond the pale. I have zero confidence in any findings on him now. Trump derangement syndrome is a true thing. I do not approve of his bullying or personal nastiness, but they were out to get him. I do hope that if there is anything found on the Russiagate investigation, that those responsible, if true get justice. Two impeachments and neither were justified. I am not excusing his behavior on January 6, but it was all legal and Constitutional. It was childish and should not have happened as I have said at the time repeatedly, but he followed the rules. The other side just could not abide by him.
Trump reminds me of Andrew Jackson. They both demonstrated an uncouth viciousness. They both rode a populist wave into office. They both engaged in domestic policies meant to improve the lives of regular people. And they are both reviled by current academia.Where I think they differ is in how well they understood the powers into which they tapped. Jackson understood it, and was able to dismantle the Central Bank. But Trump allowed himself to be tossed around by Democrat BSery, when he could have destroyed the careers of many of those Dems.
Papaphilly wrote: "Beau wrote: "I had you down as a Trump voter, Papaphilly, albeit a reluctant one."
I voted for him the second election. I have been around him for nearly 40 years. Much of his stupidity is not new..."
This is the best, most objective summary of the Trump presidency I have read. I agree with every word of it.
I voted for him the second election. I have been around him for nearly 40 years. Much of his stupidity is not new..."
This is the best, most objective summary of the Trump presidency I have read. I agree with every word of it.
J. wrote: "Trump reminds me of Andrew Jackson. They both demonstrated an uncouth viciousness. They both rode a populist wave into office. They both engaged in domestic policies meant to improve the lives of r..."
I know who Andrew Jackson was but don't really know a great deal else about him. Your comments on Trump ring true, though.
I know who Andrew Jackson was but don't really know a great deal else about him. Your comments on Trump ring true, though.
Beau wrote: "I know who Andrew Jackson was but don't really know a great deal else about him. Your comments on Trump ring true, though."This should give you a better understanding of Andrew Jackson, the President.
https://youtu.be/beN4qE-e5O8
And this should give you a better understanding of Andrew Jackson, the Man.
https://youtu.be/SupNaQeJrq0
One note: Jackson absolutely wanted to murder Dickenson. Dickenson made the mistake of publicly noting that Jackson may have married his wife before her divorce from her first husband was finalized.
What a character. Hardly a good advertisement for law and order, but so what?
Thanks, J - v informative. I've just seen the first video and will watch the 2nd one later. Btw, loved the guy presenting it - v engaging.
Do you guys think Trump should run in 2024? It looks like he's planning to.
Scout wrote: "Do you guys think Trump should run in 2024? It looks like he's planning to."
No, I don't. I have no evidence for saying this, simply a gut feeling, but I reckon he's been got at and is now controlled opposition.
A fresh start is required. Ron's the man.
No, I don't. I have no evidence for saying this, simply a gut feeling, but I reckon he's been got at and is now controlled opposition.
A fresh start is required. Ron's the man.
Scout wrote: "Do you guys think Trump should run in 2024? It looks like he's planning to."Obviously, he feels half-spoken. He ran 3 times, can try it for the fourth. Too early to evaluate, but it might be a much easier fight for him or any rep nominee the next time around... He's used to losing and winning
Scout wrote: "Do you guys think Trump should run in 2024? It looks like he's planning to."I tend to agree with Beau on this one about him not running. Yet I would not be surprised if he does.
I won't be surprised if he does, but it won't be good for the party. He has too much baggage and won't pull in Democrats who hate him. He should give it up to DeSantis. But his ego probably won't let him.
Scout wrote: "I won't be surprised if he does, but it won't be good for the party. He has too much baggage and won't pull in Democrats who hate him. He should give it up to DeSantis. But his ego probably won't l..."I tend to agree too.
Thanks for that link, J. It would be great to finally see her held accountable for her actions. If she is, that will be a turning point in politics, and maybe make others hesitate before they throw their weight around, expecting immunity.
Bill Clinton's special advisor who let Jeffrey Epstein into the White House dies at 59 – the latest associate of the former President to suffer an early demise
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...
Of course, in the interests of impartiality, we must acknowledge that he died with connections to Clinton and Epstein, not necessarily of them.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...
Of course, in the interests of impartiality, we must acknowledge that he died with connections to Clinton and Epstein, not necessarily of them.
Not touching this one.... not touching this one.... not touching this one....
So, why did Americans vote for Trump? As Hilary's husband once said, 'it's about the economy, stupid'.