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I definitely want to continue fiction and non-fiction choices. I often don't participate in group reads because those particular books don't interest me. I think that's unlikely to change. I have a taste for the unusual.

I don't often participate in the group reads because I read mostly genre fiction, and rarely read non-fiction.
I'm also a cheapskate, and prefer inexpensive, free, or subscription (kindle unlimited) books. I read library books, but the wait time is fairly long.

I didn't often participate in the group reads this year because I've been extra-tired and am reading lighter books that don't eat up what's left of my brain power :) But when I do participate, I enjoy having some structured questions to help me focus.
I'd be likely to participate more often if we sometimes chose books with happier themes. And I also have a very tight budget and need books that I can get for cheap, free or better yet, from my library. So older titles are easier to access than new releases.

I would love to hear theme/genre suggestions from everyone so we can start building our calendar for next year.
Also very invested in what we can do to get more participation in our monthly read discussions. What will bring you to our discussion threads?

This could be by author or themes so something like modernist women:
Virginia Woolf, Jean Rhys, Antonia White etc
or Harlem Renaissance women writers:
Nella Larsen, Zora Neale Hurston
or Victorian women:
Brontes, Eliot, Gaskell, Mary Elizabeth Braddon
Bestsellers by women from different decades:
Peyton Place, Beloved, The Group, Valley of the Dolls etc
In one of my other groups we have author threads that can be added to at any time and often lead to group or buddy reads because of shared enthusiams. So could have threads on writers like Toni Morrison or Woolf or a thread for more obscure women writers like Anna Kavan etc

I´m no fan of reading one author through several months or a whole year though. That´s mostly too much for me, esp. when I don´t like the first book.



For everyone's consideration, in terms of group reads and themes, the following books generated the most comments in their respective threads.
Minor Feelings – Cathy Park Hong (theme - nonfiction - open choice)
Annie John (theme was Read Around the World)
Parable of the Sower (theme - speculative fiction)
Memoirs of a Polar Bear (open choice)
The Cure for Death by Lightning (theme - fiction - open choice)
We also had great, thoughtful discussions of our 2 buddy read selections - Breasts and Eggs and A Concise Chinese-English Dictionary for Lovers)
Before we turn the conversation to engaging on and refining a theme list, and, Alwynne, yours are really intriguing from my perspective, my observation is that the common factors across our selections garnering the greatest participation are open choice + translated fiction + a non-white, non-American + ease of access in multiple formats + a setting outside of the US. In 2021, 5 of our 24 group reads were open choice. Consider whether we want to increase that from 5 to 10 of 24, just to put something out there for folks to react to.
Another observation - when our monthly read themes are in synch with our quarterly challenges and also the themes of our annual challenges, it allows challenge-motivated members to achieve multiple reading goals and I think drives participation across threads. So I try to think about balancing a calendar that offers something for everyone, against a calendar that echoes and supports some of our most broadly shared reading goals, e.g., feminism.
Keep the thoughts and suggestions coming... and thanks for your time in submitting them.

Yes! I think if we aimed to have at last 1 monthly theme line up with that quarterly challenge (maybe the second or last of the quarter) we could help those quarterly challenges without overwhelming readers who may get bored reading too much of one theme/genre/author, particularly if they don't like it.
As for increasing the open choice nominations to 10, that would put us pretty much to staggering an open choice nimination every month if we alternated between fiction and non- fiction. Which I'm perfectly fine with. Especially if it will drive participation.
With the idea of less themes/genres on the table, I'd really love to get member feedback on favorite genres for us to fill in this calendar with what you want to read, please share with us your favorite genres and themes to read with the group.
Here's a link to where you can find this year's themes:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Possible themes for everyone's consideration, as a conversation starter.
Fiction
LGBTQ+
Speculative fiction
Author is of African descent
#WiT
Published between 1940 – 2000
Published between 1800 - 1917
Harlem Renaissance
Islam / Muslim characters
detective / mystery novels published between 1930 - 1965 (excluding Agatha Christie)
Author is of Asian descent
neurodivergent minds
classics (in some variation, incl anything > 50 yrs from 1st pub)
Nonfiction
ancient world
(worldwide) women’s suffrage
feminism
health
reproductive rights
civil rights, including disability rightsa and colonialism
immigration/displacement
nature/environment
indigenous peoples/history/experience
LGBTQ+
Read Around the World
Nordic Countries (Scandinavia + Finland + Iceland + Greenland + the Faroe Islands + the Åland Islands)
Africa
rural setting (excl US or UK)
Israel and Palestine
Korea and Japan
genre fiction/bestsellers in translation
What resonates? What doesn't? Additions or tweaks? Are there themes you think might work better as quarterly challenge themes than monthly group read themes? or that you'd prefer to see in the fiction vs nonfiction categories or vice versa?

Interests so far: LGBTQ+, Feminism/Suffrage, Classics, Ancient World, Detective Novels, Civil Rights, Environment, Indigenous, Nordic Countries, Africa, Israel/Palestine, Non-white Authors, Immigration/Refuge, so nearly everything. ;)
I´m always more for fiction than non-fiction, my native language not being English, but there may be exceptions, f.e. essays. Always the problem to get the books from the library or for free, though I also buy some.
I can imagine RatW being interesting for a quarterly challenge.

I try to join in if I can, but sourcing English books here in France can be a challenge. sometimes I'll get to a book later than when it's read on here, but I just love the discussions and suggestions and the feeling of reading solidarity.
I am a big supporter of literature by women and particularly voices from other cultures, voices in translation.
I'm interested in Caribbean women authors, (in English and in translation), classics from the Margaret Busby Daughters of Africa collection, narrative nonfiction, narrative nature writing, feminism/gender, post-colonialism, neurodivergent storytelling perspective, middle East women authors, Asian women authors, South African (black) women authors, stories from Polynesian women writers, indigenous voices, Harlem Renaissance era, classics that rebel against convention...

Themes that interested me from those suggested above are:
Nordic countries
Ancient cultures
Environment/ nature
Harlem renaissance
Indigenous
Polynesian/ Pacific islander
Caribbean authors
Asian authors
I do enjoy gothic literature and fiction
And all of Ozsuar's suggestions
I'm seeing a lot of RAtW opportunities in everyone's suggestions as well

Dark Fantasy
Space
Historical detectives
Monsters of all types
Speculative fiction
Zombies"
Love the idea of fairy tales and speculative fiction!

Aggregate ideas separate from theme suggestions, for ease of reference:
- for group reads, consider availability and cost in a more intentional way - free (available online in .pdf at no charge), subscription (ebooks in the Kindle Unlimited catalog) and library (easy, not order in from somewhere some time or monumental wait list) (3, 4, plus a layer of me)
- happier monthly themes
- more classic reads, w/possible sub-themes (6)
- author threads (6)
- synch monthly themes to quarterly and annual challenges
I'm setting up a folder for author threads now, and we'll test out its use over the next 12 months and assess this time next year whether to continue. *Background: I'm mindful of the phenomenal work Louise did in 2019 to substantially reduce folders making the threads more usable, but members' needs and wants also change over time, and now I think many great topics in RW Chat get ignored because they aren't obvious unless you access GR at your laptop.

Dark Fantasy
Space
Historical detectives
Monsters of all types
Speculative fiction
Zombies"
I'm really intriged by this list, several of which are so far outside of my "normal" reading that I can't see them from my house. I'm going to take it as a personal challenge to find a way to honor and propose some options for incorporating them into our plans, subject to everyone's thoughts.
for anyone else like me who didn't know what dark fantasy is, wiki's answer: "Dark fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literary, artistic, and cinematic works that incorporate disturbing and frightening themes of fantasy. It often combines fantasy with elements of horror or has a gloomy dark tone or a sense of horror and dread."


I like it, too. Funny, I wish I could more easily identify qualifying books and be more intentional, but they also seem somehow to find me in my stack chosen for other reasons. I swear it's true.

Here are my thoughts:
---Regarding availability and cost issues - how about we nominate and vote on our monthly reads earlier? This way we have time to source a used copy if it's an older book and time to add to a library queue or request a new purchase from library if it's a newer book (this would have helped me to participate more in group reads this year). It may also be part of the reason why buddy reads have done better
---Quarterly challenges haven't worked as well for me since lockdown ended and real life resumed, and I noticed that participation did generally seem to drop. I felt as though I didn't have the time to fit in the reads I wanted. I am really enjoying our yearly challenges though because there is more flexibilitytime-wise. So i I wondered if perhaps 6-monthly would work better than quarterly? Either way, I think the idea of tying these themes in with the monthly reads is a great idea
---RatW I'm wondering if narrowing the theme down (for example isreal/palestine) is going to help spark interest or would mean even less nominations (which have been fairly low recently) perhaps we would get more nominations if the areas were broader (eg asia). Could go either way? Perhaps some such as carribean/indigenous/pacific islander/ancient cultures could be combined?
---I also like the weighted voting idea somebody (tamara?) mentioned in another thread. It is frustrating when a book wins because it has the most votes but from members who don't participate. I don't want to put anybody off from participating but the weighted voting idea seemed like the perfect solution
--- personal preferences- RAtW, WiT, indigenous, black women authors (although perhaps we could extend this to include non-binary authors eg Akwaeke Emezi). I'd like to see more of the immigration/exile theme as I feel it is an important topic these days. My genre and non fiction reading has become non existant this last year or so, so I am unlikely to participate in these themes

I'd forgotten about this challenge so thank you so much for reminding me, Monica!




As I noted in my commentary for the Recommended reads from this year, what I love about this group are the great books that people are recommending. All of my 5 star reads this year were from this group and they came about via other people's comments, or because I had to do some extra research to find books for a challenge theme.
I really love the Quarterly Challenges because I have read authors and works that I might not normally have chosen, and thankfully they have mostly been hugely successful. I know someone suggested changing it to Six Monthly but I what I love about Quarterly is that you get more variety if you change themes during the year. Rather than having less challenges, maybe people need to select less books for their challenge. That is what I found that I needed to do.
I like the idea of synching the Challenge themes with the monthly reads as sometimes I haven't been able to join a monthly chat because I was busy trying to finish my challenge. I tend to map out my reading for the year in advance in order to manage the challenges. So if the Monthly reads were somehow connected to the Quarterly challenges then it would make participating in both a little easier. Plus there is the bonus that someone might recommend a book that I hadn't come across when trying to find something for the challenge.
I have seen the buddy reads in other groups and to be honest I haven't been a fan of them. People have been mentioning the reduced participation in monthly discussions and I think that having Buddy reads can take people away from those discussions. For me, the voting in the bookclub is like voting in an election. Sometimes you vote for a winner and sometimes you miss out. There have been times that I have read some great books that I might not otherwise have read simply due to that fact. If I'd chosen to do a buddy read instead then I would have missed out. It also feels a little unfair to the person who nominated the book that did win if people don't participate in that discussion.
I also wonder if we have too many challenges and maybe that is why people don't have time for the monthly reads. I know that I have been guilty of that.
I like the suggestion about nominating earlier as that might help people that are trying to get books through libraries.

I see where you're coming from but it also means that if the group read doesn't appeal then it's not possible to participate in the group that easily otherwise. I've found I now participate more in other groups than in this one, much as I love it, because there are more choices available elsewhere, and so usually a buddy or a group read on offer that I want to take part in. Otherwise participation in the group tends to be reduced to listing what I've read or posting the odd link. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect people who didn't vote for a book to take part in a monthly read simply because other people did, which is what you seem to be supporting? What bothers me though is people voting for a read and not participating, when there were other books that more active participants voted for, it means that in terms of activity this group then tends to go quiet for long stretches of time.
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I can understand that if the book that wins is something that you have absolutely no interest in reading then obviously you shouldn't be forced to read it but sometimes you have chosen one book over another one or two that might be interesting as well but you preferred the one you voted for.
I agree that it is frustrating that if people vote for a book and don't intend to read it or participate in the discussion then it makes it harder on the members of the group that want to participate. Buddy reads to me seem more like an option where we nominate several books and we can each join the chat that interests us most of all.
I'm really not sure how we resolve the issue to be honest.


Actually if you look at the polls, there are not that many people voting either. This year, most polls have had less than 20 votes in total. Sometimes a book can win with only 3 or 4 votes which means there aren't that many people likely to join the chat if you only join a monthly discussion that you voted for. Maybe this is something we need to look into. If there are 3000 members in this group, why are so few people voting in the polls each month? What could we change to get people more interested in nominating, voting and joining the discussions?

A group I used to co-mod on Shelfari did something similar with great success: folders by region and theme--e.g. "Japan", "World War I" etc. Not sure if that would be of interest to us?

I think that discussion is down in many groups. My suspicion is that it's due to both social media fatigue and pandemic overwhelm. One thing I do notice about groups that are more active is that many of them have a thread for general chat, not necessarily related to books. Some of them have a discussion question of the week, for example. I'm not sure if this is something that would be of interest here?

I like this idea story. A topic that immediately comes to mind is indigenous authors as I know quite a few of us have expressed interest in reading more but when we tried it as a theme this year there were real issues with availability. Unless this could be a quarterly or yearly challenge instead? Are we going to discuss these challenge topics separately Carol?

I think you're right Liesl. The 6-monthly idea was a brief thought but actually I think I prefer it as it is. There was more participation than I had initially remembered and I probably was overwhelming myself with long lists!

I agree but it's still a lot higher in other groups I'm participating in, but they do have general chat threads that generate a lot of discussion around GR or authors or just general book-related topics, I think that encourages people to participate because they don't feel they have to write a review or make a pithy comment about a book to join in.

So ... this is also why many groups have game threads, too. They drive a level of daily engagement that means that that group is always at the top of users' group notification files, if they access group discussions via the Community, Discussions pull-down. It's also why I prioritize adding new content in threads when I have time - the more a group is top of mind for users, the more likely it becomes their first stop when they access the site or app.
If there's any interest in a general group chat thread, I'd love to set it up. In my experience in several groups, it facilitates relationships aside from or in addition to book discussions, drives daily check-ins, and creates a sense of belonging, at least among members who participate in it.
I've noticed a fair amount of long-time active users/ reviewers whose accounts have been dormant since some time between May 2020 and July 2021. They either died, moved on, lost months to illness and haven't added GR back into their routine, stopped writing and posting reviews, entered witness protection, or of course could have just stopped accessing the site, etc. This group doesn't purge people who haven't been active. That 3000 user count isn't "real." Any more than my friend count is. I estimate that 1/3 of those accounts aren't active monthly users. In addition, however, since our group's remit is quite broad rather than focused on a common genre or interest (other than women authors), we're a resource group for many, many users. Their primary group might be their reading sweet spot and this is a secondary group they keep tabs on, so they're more active in that reading sweet spot group, occasionally active here. They want to get reading ideas from this group, but aren't looking to participate. And I'm glad they're here. It's a fairly common shared statement on the Moderators Group threads that a solid, well-run group typically has 15 to no more than 20 active members. Anecdotally, that's born out in what I observe in the dozen or so groups I participate in, to varying degrees. Not saying, a group shouldn't make every effort to adjust and adapt to try to drive that number up to 40 -50; only that it's not time for the Mayo Clinic if a group is in the 15-ish zone.
back to work to pay for books : )




Totally new topic/proposal: would you be interested (subject to the details, naturally) in our group offering an annual or semi-annual challenge that is comprised of 24 or so multiple tasks/categories of books by women authors? I've seen challenges of this type work well in several groups to create more frequent engagement across a variety of works, meet the need to stretch into new genres/topics but with entirely personal selection of the how, and it also tends less to make our related group threads a personal tracking device and more of a member-connecting challenge. If several are interested, I'll propose a sample for initial consideration.

@Alwynne, GR glitches are 1000% fair game and I am here for it.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Sounds interesting to me!

I'd be interested in something like this, too. But I guess it depends on the specific tasks/categories. How would something like this work, Carol? Do you list tasks/categories and then we select books individually that meet that criteria?

Yes, but the list/categories would incorporate member input, e.g., it would be a team sport in this thread. I contemplate coming up with an initial list where we knock out or add based on thoughts of those most interested in refining it, then publish.

Also thanks for the chat thread Carol - I love those!

Based on participation, I'd propose that for 2022, we offer 4 annual challenges: Women Authors, Black Women Authors and Women in Translation, along with this multi-prompt challenge. (To be explicit, I'd not propose to re-up women authors and MCs over 50, as a group-wide and -promoted annual challenge.) Read Around the World and Authors A-Z threads remain open and members can create their own annual or ongoing challenges in both threads at their options.
So in terms of a multi-prompt challenge, here is what I was thinking, subject to interest and inputs.
Members can opt to create two 6-month challenges or a 1-year challenge. Pick any 10 prompts to complete in 6 months, or complete all 20 over the course of 2022. Also members can sub from any of the 5 alternative categories identified at the end to create an even more custom challenge. Each book read can meet multiple prompts, or a single prompt, at each member's option.
1. Published between 1750 - 1900
2. Author is of African descent, living anywhere
3. Fairy Tales and/or Retellings
4. Speculative Fiction
5. In translation
6. LGBTQ+ Theme and/or Author
7. Author over 50
8. Published between 1900 - 1970
9. Nature and/or the Environment
10. Author is of indigenous descent
11. Neurodivergence - author, main character or subject matter
12. Author is of Asian descent, living anywhere
13. MENA - Author born in or resides in/story takes place predominately in a MENA country
14. Feminism or feminist perspective
15. Author born in or resides in a Nordic country (Scandinavia + Finland + Iceland + Greenland + the Faroe Islands + the Åland Islands)
16. Immigration/displacement (F or NF)
17. Author is a contributor to Margaret Busby Daughters of Africa collection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughte...)
18. Memoir or biography
19. Monsters of any kind - Stalin, those living under the bed, fantastic, historical …
20. Ancient World – the subject can be a (real) heroine of the ancient world, or the novel takes place in ancient times, or the author is a woman writing about ancient history, culture etc. (ideas: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/4...)
Alternate/Substitute Prompts:
1. Published by a small press
2. 1001 BBYD
https://1001bookreviews.com/the-1001-...
3. NYTimes Bestsellers (listed by year @
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_o...)
4. The Caribbean - author born in or resides in/story takes place predominately in
5. Book Riot’s 100 Classics by Authors of Color. (https://bookriot.com/100-must-read-cl...)
Thoughts?

Examples -
1) Fortunes of War: The Balkan Trilogy - Olivia Manning

2) Hellfire - Jean Johnson

3) The Futures - Anna Pitoniak

4) The Bombay Prince - Sujata Massey

5) Company Town - Madeline Ashby

In terms of non-fiction, I prefer travelogues, biographies/memoirs, histories.
Examples -
1) Black Lamb and Grey Falcon - Rebecca West

2) Richard Wright: The Life and Times - Hazel Rowley

3) Paris to the Past: Traveling through French History by Train - Ina Caro

Books mentioned in this topic
Paris to the Past: Traveling through French History by Train (other topics)Company Town (other topics)
The Balkan Trilogy (other topics)
Hellfire (other topics)
The Futures (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
Ina Caro (other topics)Olivia Manning (other topics)
Jean Johnson (other topics)
Anna Pitoniak (other topics)
Sujata Massey (other topics)
More...
Between now and mid-November-ish, we will take members' inputs and feedback, review last year's roadmap, and set a goal of aligning on a 2022 plan for group reads, challenges and anything else we collectively discern is valuable to plan.
Right now we have two group reads per month, focused on a balance of fiction, nonfiction, and works that fit our theme of Reading Around the World, some of which are books in translation. We also offer quarterly themed challenges and whole-year challenges relating to women authors, generally, and women in translation, and many members continue to track multi-year readings from around the world. We have active ongoing discussion threads sharing what we're reading and what we've finished reading, including links to reviews at members' option. We are a large group with the usual proportionately smaller group of active members but also many active lurkers.
Prompts for those who like them, but feel free to offer commentary that doesn't fit any of the following buckets:
- What do you like most about our group?
- Is there a thread/topic or approach that works well in another group that you recommend we adopt here?
- What would you like to see stay the same?
- What would you like to see more/less of?
- If you don't participate in group reads, is there a change that would inspire you to participate?
- If you participate in group reads from time to time, is there a change that might inspire you to participate more often?
- Other ideas/suggestions?
If you typically step up and speak up when feedback is solicited, YES, PLEASE! If you typically stay quiet or are concerned about hurting feelings or become anxious with public postings, please consider sharing your thoughts with this group so we can take your preferences and thoughts into account. We promise civility and encouragement. Whether you joined this group in 2016 or yesterday, your inputs are equally valuable.