English 2341 Spring 2015 Class discussion
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Macbeth
The Duality of Human Nature
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Kristina, I know right after the discussion as I mentioned to Paula the mythological way you shared with us made a lot of sense and I don't know why it didn't click to me at first also I'm glad you saw the feminist side as well I know there is no right and wrong way in which way we saw the play but I'm glad we were able to pick up different one's.
Francisco wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."yes the story was good, it was a bit confusing though. but I do agree with you that this story was mythological and also agree with u that Macbeth lost his "hi peace" when he killed the king making Macbeth from a good hearted man to evil
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."Exactly! there was gender roles in the story where Lady Macbeth was telling her husband that he wasn't man enough if he doesn't kill the king and there was also rebirth where Macbeth became from a good hearted man to a evil dark man who wanted to kill Danquo and fleance.
Elizabeth wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."I totally see your point of view in the story where Macbeth goes from a honorable hero to an evil man whose mind in full of murder and evil. Where Lady Macbeth was the one responsible of Macbeth turning into an evil man.
Maria wrote: "After reading Macbeth I saw this play with a mythological approach. I saw this play with a mythological approach for the fact that every time something bad and evil was going to happen the setting ..."the story was Mythological and Shakespeare did used a lot of symbols and wording that illustrated something or like you said the "witches and ghost" also the story did show feminist like you commented where lady Macbeth would tell Macbeth what to do and he didn't do it he wasn't considered a man.
Maria L. wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."Maria, I think you did mention a good point when you say that witches are just the symbol of the dark side of human nature and not physically but mentally hurt Macbeth and control them to commit different types of evil things and the worst was killing his king to get his power for his ambition.
Elvia wrote: "To a certain degree, I go along with the group of Shakespeare’s Macbeth having a Mythological twist to it in the sense of it having symbolism. It did have archetypal images of blood. What I don’t s..."I certainly agree with you Elvia in the way that the play might play with readers mind psychologically I believe it is more mythological play because it reflects two sides of human nature evil and good side
Amalia I mean I personally feel like there were a lot of symbols in this play. The witches, Lady Macbeth, the prophecy that the witches told Macbeth. All of these things our symbols that involved Macbeth's future. I mean I can agree with you that whatever the witches told Macbeth. He and Banquo did have the choice of listening to them, like you said free-will. I also agree with you seeing Lady Macbeth as the "seductress".
Moncia I like how you describe the different archetypes with different things that might be seen as important in the story. I agree with you on mainly everything that you state. I also personally feel like the murders and deaths that happen towards the middle of the story are very important, they show how evil has changed Macbeth and how he is willing to do anything to get the title as king. I also saw thing with "good versus evil", but I do feel that Macbeth had a choice with what the witches told him.
Mary Jane I like how you see the play as "The Fall" archetype. It is true that towards the beginning of the play Macbeth lives a normal life, until him and Banquo bump into the witches. The prophecy that they tell him basically tells him his future. He likes what he hears. Like you said Lady Macbeth was also a big influence to the evil things that he did. Macbeth was influenced with evil but he had the choice not to listen. And yes both deaths of Macbeth and his wife were tragedies.
Senaida wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."I totally agree with you Senaida Mrs Reyes mention that Shakespeare liked to put a little touch to his readings with mystical an wicked ghost tales.This was written back in time when king James was part of the audience and was influence by the play.
Luis wrote: "The was I see this play is as a mythological criticism. Since there is a lot of symbolism and out of this world experiences in this play. There is also a good deal of fighting between good and evil..."That true Luis I also believe that Macbeth was influence by the witches and as well lady macbeth.Yet toward the end he was not able to come back in to his good side he drown in his blood and was forever gone.
Katia wrote: "angel wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociol..."Nope, I did mention it, "Mythological because the archetype of the conflict of good vs. evil, but I would not totally depend on mythological since the fact that Macbeth is not only the protagonist, but also the antagonist is an original idea that doesn't rely too much on mythological criticism. "
Francisco wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."I totally agree with that the play had a mythological approach. I my self also saw it through mythological lenses because of the archetypes that Shakespeare uses. I did enjoyed this play as well although it was difficult to understand without the help.
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."I agree with you because I also saw the play through mythological and through a feminist approach. I saw mythological because of all the archetypes that Shakespeare uses. Also, in the part I saw it through a feminist approach was the same part as yours because there is where Lady Macbeth puts Macbeth in the spot to see if he was a real men.
Jorge wrote: "As finishing reading the story "Macbeth", my group and I discussed and analyze that this play was a mythological approach. all this symbolize and words came together and also there were different t..."I do agree with you that the play had mythological because I also saw it like that. Mostly because of the archetypes and there was also a part of feminist in the play. The part form feminist is as you mention came from Lady Macbeth.
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."you are right Dave people still have the kind of ambitions that made Macbeth go crazy over power, Macbeth could easily relate to many aspects of life. and yes the appearances of the three witches made the play feel like a mythological story.
Jorge wrote: "As finishing reading the story "Macbeth", my group and I discussed and analyze that this play was a mythological approach. all this symbolize and words came together and also there were different t..."I agree with you Jorge I also saw a "rebirth" on Macbeth not in the way we may be used to usually it happens from bad to good but in this case it was the other way around , Macbeth was a great and Nobel men with love for his country and king but the ambition and bad influence of Lady Macbeth make him become the so called tyrant that his people want to kill
Maria wrote: "After reading Macbeth I saw this play with a mythological approach. I saw this play with a mythological approach for the fact that every time something bad and evil was going to happen the setting ..."I agree with you Maria, the settings of play change every time something bad was going to happen , and clearly the appearances of the three witches and the ghost gives the play and sense of mythological view, and the way lady Macbeth manipulates Macbeth shows a strong view of feminism approach, but I also saw a "rebirth"from Macbeth he became evil after been a good and nobel person, or amybe he was made evil .
Maria L. wrote: "Monica wrote: "For your last reading, discuss with your group how you critically viewed this play. What kind of critical approach did you use to view this piece (mythological, sociological, etc.)? ..."Hello Miss Maria. I agree with your view on the mythology aspect. The witches to me resemble in a way Macbeth's Shadow. and his psyche leading him astray. "Oh, full of scorpions is my mind, dear wife!" (958; line 39) He clearly is torn between himself and his being. The fact of the matter is that he is lost. I also wanted to point out the owl and the falcon scene, I took this aspect in a way that the owl resembled the 'Weird Sisters' and the Falcon is Macbeth being overpowered by his mind. However, I still believe that Macbeth had his own choice to either fall back and forget, but in the end he gave in.
Paula, I agree with you and Kristina who both saw it as mythological way at first I didn't think of it that way but you both opened my mind to that idea. I had also mentioned in our group the id, ego and the super ego I saw it differently though, I thought maybe the id were the witches and lady Macbeth and Macbeth was the ego who tried pleasing them most of the time and the super ego was Banquo who was aware of right and wrong but I believe that the id, ego and the super ego was seen my way in the beginning because after that I believe it was all free-will. I think your point of view was interesting thankyou for sharing it with us Paula!