English 2341 Spring 2015 Class discussion
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Lindsay wrote: "Macbeth and Lady Macbeth seem to have switched roles in Act III, Scene II, Lines 30 – 50. Beginning in line 30 Lady Macbeth seems ready to move on from their past acts and encourages Macbeth to “be..."I agree with your post, Macbeth is now careless and will do whatever it takes to become King. Like you mentioned on line 30-50 lady Macbeth was ready to move on and tried to encourage Macbeth to be nice with the guests. Lady Macbeth has changed and no longer thinks of harming anyone to become queen. I also agree with you on how a person can change and become a person they thought they never could be. In this scene, there are many twisted endings to it and plenty of deaths.
Elizabeth wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I agree with your response on this 2nd scene of Macbeth, Lady Macbeth and, Macbeth has definitely switched roles and has resulted to a cruel end. Elizabeth mentioned that Lady Macbeth was convincing Macbeth to change and not to do any wrong acts. Macbeth begins to view murder as a simple thing. Like Elizabeth stated that Macbeth is acting overpowered by everything that comes his way, and is now careless of what Lady Macbeth is telling him.
Amanda wrote: "In this new act it appears for Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have traded characters, and it seems like Macbeth is on the dark side now. Macbeth touches the Kings blood with his own hands and becomes mor..."Amanda, I like your point about becoming a person we thought we could never be. Surely if Macbeth could have known beforehand all the terrible acts that would follow the first murder he would have chosen a different path. Sometimes human nature leads us to justify our questionable actions. However, if those same actions were carried out by others, we would find it entirely unacceptable.
Elizabeth wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Elizabeth, great point! The initial murder of the King actually involved three murders, the king and his attendants. Macbeth agonized over the first murder, but committed the other two without a second thought. Macbeth even claims that it was his love for the King that motivated him to seek vengeance on the attendants. So goes the saying: Once you tell a lie, you need ten more to cover the first. Macbeth apparently fell victim to this flawed reasoning.
Senaida wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."That's true Senaida in the beginning Macbeth is influence by the witches and lady Macbeth.Yet in Act 2 Scene 3 we see a different role change with both Macbeth and Lady Macbeth.I believe now that his a King she is dwell with the outcomes.
Rebecca wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I was lost too Rebecca I wasn't sure if she was . I wasn't sure if Lady Macbeth was implying to kill him or to disregard that issue.Yet we see that Macbeth ends up killing and committing murder.Now that Macbeth is King,Lady Macbeth totally changes character and becomes more at ease.
Monica wrote: "Eduardo wrote: "Act 2 Scene 3 reveals how they found Duncan's body and how a switch has been flipped inside Macbeth. He springs vigorously with an agreeable eye to his motivation, seizing control ..."I believe one of the reasons is because in the beginning Lady Macbeth is depicted as a committed wife who knows her spouses blames and accepts she can help succeed to take the throne.Yet threw the play she changes to an insidiousness, witch-like just like the witches and loses her ladylike or feminine side into this unnatural form.
Eduardo wrote: "Act 2 Scene 3 reveals how they found Duncan's body and how a switch has been flipped inside Macbeth. He springs vigorously with an agreeable eye to his motivation, seizing control of the nobles an..."You are right Eduardo, she does become more innocent and corrupted. I think she is trying not for anyone to uncover what they have done. Macbeth in the other hand is now the one acting like he is the fourth witch.Macbeth does clarify in killing the King.
Rebecca wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Macbeth does kill his friend Banquo in order to save his own ass. He is willing to kill anyone that gets in his way. He is so much cold in the second part then the first. I guess Macbeth things no one can harm him because, of the witches premonition but, no one lives forever.
Monica wrote: "On Act 3 scene 2 we get to see how Macbeth and lady macbeth have switched roles. Lady Macbeth walks up to her husband and asks him why he is hiding with sadss and loneliness, and tells him to be ..."At one point Macbeth wanted to leave the plans the had and Lady Macbeth was consumed by evil. Now, the roles have turned and Macbeth is consumed with evil and wants to continue. While, Lady Macbeth wants them to enjoy their guests and does not care that much for doing evil. “ O proper stuff! This is the very painting of your fear.,” Lady Macbeth says. She thinks that Macbeth is going crazy hallucinating.
Mary wrote: "Amalia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (o..."That is true because in Act 2 when Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are plotting to murder Duncan they both are at unease. Now, only Macbeth was plotting to kill Banquo. Lady Macbeth in a way did not really care.
Mary wrote: "Monica wrote: "On Act 3 scene 2 we get to see how Macbeth and lady macbeth have switched roles. Lady Macbeth walks up to her husband and asks him why he is hiding with sadness and loneliness, and t..."At the beginning of the play Lady Macbeth was a major influence on Macbeth as she would mess with his ego and mind. Now, Macbeth is doing all this evil murdering by himself. Macbeth says, “Thou know’st that Banquo, and his Fleance, lives.” Lady Macbeth replies,“But in them nature’s copy’s not eterne.” Macbeth says, “There’s comfort yet; they are assailable.” I think that when Lady Macbeth said they would not live forever she meant anything can happen. I do not think she was telling Macbeth to kill him.
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Viviana wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."Yes, I agree with you on the changing roles how you describe them. Lady Macbeth's evil words stayed in Macbeth's head which is slowly turning him evil. Like you said now, Macbeth is willing to do anything and kill anyone to stay king when at the beginning of the play it was Lady Macbeth. “Macbeth tells Lady Macbeth, “Things bad begun make strong themselves by ill.
So, prithee, go with me.” Once you do something bad and get away with it you'll want to do more.
Lindsay wrote: "Macbeth and Lady Macbeth seem to have switched roles in Act III, Scene II, Lines 30 – 50. Beginning in line 30 Lady Macbeth seems ready to move on from their past acts and encourages Macbeth to “be..."I agree with you on the change of Lady Macbeth. It seems she is eager to enjoy the parts of her husband being king. Macbeth shows a complete transformation where he no longer needs the persistence of his wife, but ready to go evil above and beyond.
Mary wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I agree with you Mary. In this part of the play Lady Macbeth no longer wants to plan more murders, she just wants to enjoy what she has accomplish. As we can see Macbeth is now in control and is fully aware of everything that he is doing, and how bad it is.
Amalia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Yes Amalia it seems that now Macbeth is the crazy one. As you described, now Macbeth has pure evil insidea of him. It is insane how he didn't even think twice in planning the murder of his best friend Banquo.
Viviana wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."Macbeth indeed is getting much more stronger than what he was in the beginning. I believe the reason is because he is just paranoid. Killing Banquo is at his advantage since he is the only one that knows of the encounter with the witches.
Amanda wrote: "In this new act it appears for Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have traded characters, and it seems like Macbeth is on the dark side now. Macbeth touches the Kings blood with his own hands and becomes mor..."I like what you mention about Macbeth touching the kings blood. It is like he enjoyed the feeling, it brought him excitement and was like a switch. Now he is like not even focused on being king but instead is trying to carry out more evil. And you are correct indeed that one can change in a split second.
Jorge wrote: "Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are seem to switch their roles in Act III Scene II when the only choice or thing in Macbeth¨s mind is to kill Banquo because he believes that Banquo can be a menace for him..."Jorge, I liked your statement about the changed roles of Macbeth and Lady M. I also agree with you about the moment when Lady M changed her role in the story. This reading is going to get more interesting. Do you think roles are going the change again?
angel wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I agree with the roles changed due to the situation because that means in the second part of the reading."Macbeth has been corrupted by his own actions, and Lady Macbeth decides to step back from the anti-moral way of thinking". this quote is so true in the story due to their behaviors. Also, it may be true that this part of the story was inspired in the fear, but I think this part wants to prove the duality human based in their behaviors. They become the person who never thought that they would be.
Arturo wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I like your comment."The Human Duality shows us that everybody has two sides no matter how much they say they don't". I think it is very true. People have two sides in this life.
Elvia wrote: "Before presenting the lines that indicate that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have switched roles, one has to go to the scene where Lady Macbeth is either pretending to faint to stop Macbeth from self-in..."Elvia, you have well-described your view about this second reading. It was very interesting read your comment because you noticed things that I did not. Also, I liked when asked; “is it possible she is having second thoughts, having regrets, or asking herself if she’s created a monster?” and I think she has all of that inside of her. She definitely created a monster.
Kenia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I agree with you. It is obvious that Macbeth entered in the dark side in this part. Also I think Lady Macbeth is more repentant that Macbeth because she seems like unsafe. I think you miss to mention about the two sides of the people. As you can see in this part, people have two sides in this life.
Kristina wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Kristina your first quote is very meaningful because that quote represents how drastically Macbeth has changed I agree with you I also pointed that out. I feel like lady Macbeth has changed roles as well it might be guilt or who knows.
Paula wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I also felt like lady Macbeth changed from the very beginning and as I mentioned who knows if it might be because of guilt or because she finally got what she wanted and know believes there's no reason to go on with more trouble to carry on with her. Macbeth is now different as well his ambition has definitely taken a huge part on his actions.
angel wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Angel I agree with you, after Macbeth became king he did become fearful of the events he knows will happen next and he believes that murder is the only option. Which turns him into a mad man. I believe your answer to the question was well said.
Katia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I agree with what you said but don't forget that Lady Macbeth has gotten her common sense back in a way. She has grown to regret her actions while Macbeth has changed and they kind of switched roles, since the beginning.
Kenia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I completely agree with you, they have switched roles and I think me and you saw it in the same way. Lady Macbeth has stopped pushing him and Macbeth has been more pushy. Good job using evidence from the text because it made your point a lot more clear.
Maria wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."yes, in the beginning of the story Macbeth was good character and lady Macbeth was the evil one. On act 3 scene 2, the roles were switched between Macbeth and lady Macbeth. Now Macbeth wants to finish off Duncan and Banquo in order to get peace. Like he said "to gain peace, have to sent peace".
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."exactly! Macbeth show that good in the beginning and later on in the story he goes from good to evil telling lady Macbeth that he is going to kill Duncan and Banquo to reclaim peace. Lady Macbeth tells him "what is done, is done" that he should be "bright and jovial with the guest" and Macbeth response to her, "oh, full of scorpions in my mind, dear wife" expressing the evil within him.
Maria wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I totally agree with you Maria when you point out that Macbeth is now enroll on his own game in which he is now victim of his own acts and now his wife is turning her position to be a conscious and care woman. After both changed papers in the story as you mentioned there is where we can noticed how evil and goodness will always exist.
Elvia wrote: "Before presenting the lines that indicate that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have switched roles, one has to go to the scene where Lady Macbeth is either pretending to faint to stop Macbeth from self-in..."After Macbeth killed the king he turned into a cold man which now ambitious of killing those who he thinks could hurt him on his position as a king. Macbeth as you mentioned has no conscious of killing his best friend and now I believe he is involved on his own game where he can not find his way out where he feels lost with nothing to lose anymore and everything to win, now ladymacbeth is surprised about her husband mentality and she only wants to demonstrate to society how good their are.
Elizabeth wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I totally see your point where Macbeth is ambitious of power and now he took the role where he does not look the consequences of kill and now that he finished with his friend Banquo he does even care anything anymore. After Macbeth did his second murder Lady Macbeth turned into a conscious women that see her husband desperate and tries to take him out of the way of killing people for more power but everythin is late when Macbeth mentioned ¨what is done is done and if Banquo is going to die tonight is the nigh¨.
Maria wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Maria, when you mentioned that Macbeth gathered courage and strength after finding it easy to lie to Lennox and McDuff, I could see that through your point of view, whereas before I didn’t see it. Do you recall Lady Macbeth saying that he has had this malady since he was a child, when he starts freaking out because he is seeing Bancuo’s ghost at the celebration table. So then I wonder if he has had mental problems or just bipolar. I, too, felt Macbeth was no longer himself when he said his mind was full of scorpions. On your last paragraph on discussing human duality using both sides of a coin to maintain equilibrium shows wisdom beyond your years. Do you read a lot or hear such from elderly grandparents? Your last sentence I liked very much and is very symbolic.
Jorge wrote: "Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are seem to switch their roles in Act III Scene II when the only choice or thing in Macbeth¨s mind is to kill Banquo because he believes that Banquo can be a menace for him..."Jorge, maybe I’m reading too fast that I am missing too much. You mentioned three things that I feel I missed and need to read it again. Believe me I watched the section of Part II of the movie and re-read several pages too many times. I am certainly going back to look for “if your soul is going to make it to heaven, tonight’s the night”. He must’ve been speaking to himself. You’re on the button on your last sentence, Lady Macbeth would like nothing better than to be in control and make Macbeth the perfect King.
Mary wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Mary Jane I do agree with what you are saying. In the second reading of Macbeth we can see the major role change between him and his wife. Macbeth like you said is now growing a lot stronger than what he was in the first reading he is now taking the darker role. I also agree with you when you say that Lady Macbeth is taking the role of the innocent. She is now only worried about enjoying the time of the throne. Thats what it was suppose to be all along. But I feel like now he is really taking the words of the witches very seriously.
Senaida wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I agree with you. I think that Lady Macbeth will only be able to keep her cool for so long though. She herself, like the witches though will constantly remind Macbeth what is at stake. I still see the underlying fair is foul and foul is fair playing through here.
Eduardo wrote: "Act 2 Scene 3 reveals how they found Duncan's body and how a switch has been flipped inside Macbeth. He springs vigorously with an agreeable eye to his motivation, seizing control of the nobles an..."I agree with you. I think that how Macbeth acts when the slain are discovered initially is a tad suspicious. As far as the switch goes, we see this as the next target standing in Macbeth's way is Banquo.
Paula wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I completely agree with you on how Macbeth has changed as well as Lady Macbeth. I was surpised to see how quickly Macbeth starts to doubt and hate his bestfriend Banquo and actually plans to murder him.I once felt pitty for Macbeth because I saw it as if the three sisters and Lady Macbeth pushed him to commit murder but now with how easily he plans the murder of his companion Banquo I no longer feel pitty for him. Lady Macbeth, on the other hand, has also changed roles. She is now trying to forget the whole ordeal and be happy. She no longer plans to murder anyone and encourages Macbeth to be happy and to move on. Its sad really, to see Macbeth go down such a dark road after being such a good man.
Ilze wrote: "I used the link you gave us to help us understand the play more. In Act III scene II Lady Macbeth mentions "Naught’s had, all’s spent, Where our desire is got without content. 'Tis safer to be that..."Yes you can see how Lady Macbeth's conciousness starts to get to her as she tries to forget and move on after the murder. She goes from planning and encourgaing Macbeth to commit murder of a great and kind king to felling somewhat remorseful and trying to pray away her quilt. I believe Macbeth always had this very dark side to him because he goes so easily from feeling so much regret and sorrow for murdering his king to planning the murder of Banquo. Macbeth is a great example of the duality of human nature because he goes from being humble,kind and great man to a murderer and essentially evil man.
On Act 3 scene 2 we get to see how Macbeth and lady macbeth have switched roles. Lady Macbeth walks up to her husband and asks him why he is hiding with sadness and loneliness, and tells him to be friendly and joyful with there guests. Macbeth explains that their work is still not done and that as long as Banquo and his son are alive they would never be at peace. Macbeth explains that their time will soon be over so for her to be extra nice to them in the feast. Lady Macbeth tells him to leave it, but as we get to see Macbeth is so involved with the evil side of him that he can't just leave it and be at peace. Monica yes I do agree with what you are stating. We can see the major role change between the two of them in this reading. I feel like now Lady Macbeth is now more concentrated on enjoying the throne, while Macbeth is more interested in following what the witches told him to do. Although Macbeth does kill his friend Banquo I do still feel like he has some sort of guilt in him. It is true that he can't leave anything at peace anymore. He is now more into doing the bad duties to get his title as king at any request.
Amalia I do agree with you when you say that Lady Macbeth is like the normal one now, and Macbeth is kind of seen as the crazy one. I feel like Lady Macbeth still has a little bit of evil in her but she is more interested in enjoying the throne with Macbeth. While on the other hand Macbeth is now seen as the crazy one because at the feast his behavior is really rare and the guests are very stunned at it.
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I do agree with you that at the beginning of the play Macbeth was seeing as the innocent and Lady Macbeth as the bad person because she seduce Macbeth to kill the king. I as well so the change in character in act three scene two because that is when I notice Lady Macbeth more innocent. Also, the fact that now Macbeth wants to kill Banquo demonstrates how there is a change in character.
Francisco wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I do agree with you that as Macbeth became king is like if he could not live with the murder he did. For these reason he wants to kill Banquo as he sates in act three scene two. Now his wife Lady Macbeth is the one that does not want to kill anyone and she wants to move on.
Jorge wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."I do agree with you that Macbeth now wants to kill Banquo because he has remorse and its just like torturing him. He thinks that by killing Banquo now he will have peace. Also, Lady Macbeth now wants Macbeth to forget about killing the king and to move on this is when the change in character presents.
Kenia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Yes, Macbeth's deeds which have been pushed by his wife, are taking the effect of been the monster that his wife's wanted to, but no longer is sure if she still wants that.
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."Its true Dave every person has two sides , and of course not every one knows that, its clear how lady Macbeth has become more self center if we can say that and to me is due to the fact that she has become "royalty" but in the other hand this royal power has made Macbeth a cold person that now only cares of power and how he can avoid losing his crown.
He thinks he will have peace once he gets more people killed, but he is only fooling himself.