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In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that indicate(s) that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have switched roles. How does this role reversal relate to our discussion about the duality of human nature?


Lindsay Shubin | 44 comments Macbeth and Lady Macbeth seem to have switched roles in Act III, Scene II, Lines 30 – 50. Beginning in line 30 Lady Macbeth seems ready to move on from their past acts and encourages Macbeth to “be bright and jovial among” the guests they are to entertain that evening. However, Macbeth is consumed by the fact that Banquo is aware of the assassination and is convinced peace of mind will not come until Banquo is dead. After her past persuasions, Lady Macbeth surprises us in line 38 by pleading with Macbeth saying: “You must leave this”. She inquires as to what plans are to be carried out. However, Macbeth no longer confides in her saying: “Be innocent of the knowledge…Till though applaud the deed”.

In the first reading only one side of human nature was evident in Lady Macbeth, the dark side. Now, she is no longer striving after ambition and murder is not on her mind. This may be because her husband is already King, or it could be perhaps her conscience bothered her more than she anticipated after being involved in the murder. Conversely, Macbeth repeatedly struggled with whether or not he should murder the King prior to the actual act. However, we do not see this struggle when planning to murder his good friend. Also, he no longer requires support from his wife to carry out a murder. Macbeth shows us that even those that are commended for honorable acts are still capable of committing terrible acts. More simply put, everyone is capable of good and evil.


Senaida Nunez | 45 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

In page 960, lines 5 threw 55 Lady Macbeth welcomes his friends with kindness. She is not plotting on how to kill anyone. She tells Macbeth to be kind to his guest. To not think of what happened but rather be happy he is King. In my understanding she is trying to take care of what they have already that they are King and Queen. She trying to cover up Macbeth hallucinations by telling his guest he is sick. Lady Macbeth tells Macbeth that he just needs rest and for them to go to sleep in lines 142 act 3 scenes 4. I guess in this second part she is trying to nurture him by taking care that he does not reveal what they did. In the first part she was evil and plotted against the king to kill him. When in the first part Macbeth is kind and tries to be loyal but still he is influence by the witches and his wife Lady Macbeth.


Ilze Salazar | 31 comments I used the link you gave us to help us understand the play more. In Act III scene II Lady Macbeth mentions "Naught’s had, all’s spent, Where our desire is got without content. 'Tis safer to be that which we destroy Than by destruction dwell in doubtful joy." Which according to the text she means "If you get what you want and you’re still not happy, you’ve spent everything and gained nothing. It’s better to be the person who gets murdered than to be the killer and be tormented with anxiety." This quote Is so meaningful because to me it shows she is tormented by her actions she encouraged at one point. After that Macbeth says to himself "What's done is done." after reading that I believe part of him is now capable of doing anything especially cause he had no hesitation on planning his closest friend's murder. What we first thought about the witches as well as his own wife persuading him through all these bad decisions have now become his very own ambitions. I think these scenes showed us the human duality in Macbeth in the beginning we heard how honorable and praised he was but now we are seeing his dark side and contemplations.


Eduardo | 53 comments Act 2 Scene 3 reveals how they found Duncan's body and how a switch has been flipped inside Macbeth. He springs vigorously with an agreeable eye to his motivation, seizing control of the nobles and getting to be King of Scotland.Despite the fact that Macbeth appears to pick up certainty different characters quietly cast suspicion on him. In Act 2 Scene 3 Macbeth clarifies that he repents from the act generally when he saw the royal king"Oh yet i do repent me from for my fury, that I did killed them" Macbeth can't cease from the utilization of illustration may be an evidence that he, as well, can't stand to consider the wicked truth. His words are immediately profoundly wonderful and, in the meantime, gigantically uncovering of the profound incongruities of which Macbeth must be mindful.In the other hand lady Macbeth start by being evil and vicious just like the witches,yet we see that she changes roles now that her husband is the king and becomes more innocent and corrupted.


Kristina | 30 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."
In this part of the play you start to see Macbeth change dramatically. his demeanor goes from guilt ridden to plotting the death of his bestfriend. In Act 3 Scene 1 he tells the men he's hired to murder Banquo "So is he mine; and in such bloody distance
That every minute of his being thrusts
Against my near’st of life. And though I could
With barefaced power sweep him from my sight
And bid my will avouch it, yet I must not". This Macbeth is a completely different Macbeth from the one begining of the play. Lady Macbeth has now gone from the instigator to telling Macbeth "Naught’s had, all’s spent,Where our desire is got without content.
'Tis safer to be that which we destroy,Than by destruction dwell in doubtful joy." which to me means that what is done is done and you can't take back what he did and its better to accept it and forget it and be happy with what he has.


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angel  castillo (angelcastillo12) | 38 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

Macbeth has the king's blood on his hands, and his understanding has become corrupted by his own troubled fault that gets more monstrous from each assassination he orders.

Macbeth doesn't believe on a turning point, and decides to stay with the new devilish mentality of eradicating every obstacle on his way to the throne... by already been king, he fears that his position may be on danger; provoking his sanity to be banish and act like the mad man he is, "So shall I, love,
And so, I pray, be you. Let your remembrance
Apply to Banquo; present him eminence,
Both with eye and tongue: unsafe the while that we
Must lave our honors in these flattering streams,
And make our faces vizards to our hearts,
Disguising what they are."
Lady Macbeth, being shock by the radical change that Macbeth has gone though; starts to feel unsettle from the way that the villainous king is behaving, "Come on, relax, dear. Put on a happy face and look cheerful and agreeable for your guests tonight." Lady Macbeth, understanding that his husband has gone mad, decides to stay in his side, but with a more calm and neutral way of seen things than Macbeth's.
The roles have been reversed by the situation. Macbeth has been corrupted by his own actions, and Lady Macbeth decides to step back from the anti-moral way of thinking. Therefore, once again, human duality is been shown in the story by fear of one's downfall, making character go mad, or try to understand the situation from a point inspired by fear.


Amanda | 42 comments In this new act it appears for Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have traded characters, and it seems like Macbeth is on the dark side now. Macbeth touches the Kings blood with his own hands and becomes more evil. Lady Macbeth is no longer determined to be in the dark side of the murder of the king; Macbeth is performing as the negative character. Macbeth did not realize what he had done, but decided to keep the evil wicked mentality inside of him. Thus, on page 960 paragraph 35 lady Macbeth states “you do not give the cheer, the feast is sold, that is not often vouched, while tis it’s making tis giving with welcome.” Lady Macbeth is friendly and being the opposite character she was before. What I assumed happened in this scene was that Lady Macbeth is trying to support Macbeth that they have now turned out being King and Queen. Scene 2 Act 3 is defining that we can become a person we thought we could never be, thus human duality defines that us humans can change and can become a different person in an instant.


Elizabeth Vasquez | 37 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

In this second reading Macbeth confirms he killed the "murderers" of the king. "Oh, yet I do repent me of my fury, that I did kill them". It is odd that Macbeth was full of doubt and remorse to kill the king but then murders those of the chamber simply to blame his murder on them. Here we begin to notice the change in Macbeth where murder has become easier and opportunistic.

Macbeth has switched roles from the scary man who was panicked for not being able to respond Amen. Now, he is bargaining with two murderers to take the life of his friend Banquo. "Know Banquo was your enemy"..."So is he mine", his ambition has gone beyond and overpowered his will that he will let nothing risk him staying as king.

Lady Macbeth on the other hand switches roes as well. She is no longer that cold hearted woman who called her husband a coward to get him to kill the king. She is now stressing and pleading with Macbeth "You must leave this", "Be bright and jovial among your night". She seems to be content with her current role that she does not wish for Macbeth to kill Banquo. She is now the worried wife who is trying to convince her husband to do the right thing. Macbeth of course with his change in character ignores her "Things bad begun make strong themselves by ill."


Arturo | 20 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

In the beginning of this play it seems that Lady Macbeth was totally insane and has gone mad. It also showed Macbeth as the more calmer and does what he's told. As the story continues in Act 3 Scene 2 of the play Macbeth is talking to Lady Macbeth about how Banquo is still a threat to their plan. The sudden change of how the characters has just switch can be caused by either the gain of power and the feeling of guild. Now since Macbeth feels the power he will do anything to keep it and now Lady Macbeth is in denial and just trying to forget it ever happened. The Human Duality shows us that everybody has two sides no matter how much they say they don't.


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Monica Escobedo | 38 comments On Act 3 scene 2 we get to see how Macbeth and lady macbeth have switched roles. Lady Macbeth walks up to her husband and asks him why he is hiding with sadness and loneliness, and tells him to be friendly and joyful with there guests. Macbeth explains that their work is still not done and that as long as Banquo and his son are alive they would never be at peace. Macbeth explains that their time will soon be over so for her to be extra nice to them in the feast. Lady Macbeth tells him to leave it, but as we get to see Macbeth is so involved with the evil side of him that he can't just leave it and be at peace.


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Amalia Lerma | 51 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

Macbeth in Act 2 Macbeth does not want to continue with the plan and tells Lady Macbeth. At this time though Lady Macbeth does not want to give up and convinces Macbeth to continue. Lady Macbeth in a way is seemed as the crazy one. Where in Act 3 scene 4 for example, Macbeth now is the crazy one and Macbeth the normal one in a sense. Macbeth says, “Ay, and a bold one, that dare look on that Which might appall the devil.” Lady Macbeth says, “O proper stuff! This is the very painting of your fear. What, quite unmanned in folly? Macbeth has seen and is shocked by the ghost of Banquo and Lady Macbeth does not believe him. Here Macbeth seems to be the crazy one and Lady Macbeth the normal one. Also, in Act 2 Macbeth was scared to kill and the consequences but, now he was not scared to have his friend killed. This could in regards of duality of human nature is that we both have good and bad. We all can be good or evil. A person like Macbeth can be good and do good deeds but, at some point with certain situation a person may do evil things.


Maria L. Lucio | 40 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."


Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have changed drastically due to thoughts’ difference; the majority based on moral actions. He used to be scare about what he did to king, but now he is involved in his own game with his corrupted and dirty mind, and she is now a worried woman focused on moral views.
Act II, Scene III, and line 85. - After killing the king Duncan, Macbeth tried to hide his guilt and remorse facing Lennox and Macduff and acting like if he is surprised. I think that in that moment Macbeth is starting to get strength and courage to change his mind because he realized that it was kind of easy to tell that lie to them. I know for others this dialogue means nothing and I also respect that, but to me it is showing the beginning of Macbeth’s change.
Act III, Scene II, and line 40. - Lady Macbeth says; “you must leave this” to Macbeth because she wants him to stop thinking like that, in order to be friendly in front of his guests, but he answers; “oh, full of scorpions is my mind, dear wife” , which it confirms that Macbeth is a different Macbeth than before.
This role reversal shows how human duality is represented by the “evil and goodness” parts that have been linked to each other. We need both sides of the coin to maintain equilibrium. For example, Macbeth being a good friend and husband switched to an arrogant and ambitious man. Therefore, even though we spin the coin, we are still going to see one of its two faces.


Katia De La Fuente | 30 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

When I finished reading the second part of the Reading, I was really surprised. Also, watching the video in class helped me understand the story better. There were some points that caught my attention. One of these was when Macbeth has a conversation with his wife. He talks about taking charge of his own destiny while his wife explains that is impossible. In this part of the reading, Macbeth regrets having murdered the king. “Oh yet I do repent me of my fury, that I did kill them”. As you can see, the roles were changed due to the situation. Macbeth has regret about these actions, and Lady accepts her terrible anti-moral thinking. I think their thinking grows darker more and more. After I read the second part, I understood I can be a kind of a person I never thought that I would be.


Jorge medina | 51 comments Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are seem to switch their roles in Act III Scene II when the only choice or thing in Macbeth¨s mind is to kill Banquo because he believes that Banquo can be a menace for him and his kingdom. Now that Macbeth is the king and has the whole power that he wanted one day, he is just thinking about getting rid of Banquo as soon it as possible when he mentioned that Banquo, ¨if your soul is going to make it to heaven, tonight’s the night.¨ For the other hand, LadyMacbeth mentions ¨If you get what you want and you’re still not happy, you’ve spent everything and gained nothing¨ which clearly establishes that their role had change maybe because now that Macbeth is the king LadyMacbeth has made his main purpose of turning her husband into the new king.That matter Ladymacbeth wants Macbeth to stop thinking in murder and focus in been a perfect king in front of everyone.


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Elvia Martinez | 29 comments Before presenting the lines that indicate that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have switched roles, one has to go to the scene where Lady Macbeth is either pretending to faint to stop Macbeth from self-incriminating himself or is in fact fainting out of fear of the fact that she will be incriminated as well recalling that she started the ball rolling. Now that was an awful fright for her. Now as time passes, she has to ask one of her servants to request her husband’s presence. She even asks Macbeth why he spends so much time alone, in other words, without her. She is noticing that something is amiss. Lady Macbeth tells Macbeth that he “is like a season of all natures”. Is it possible she is having second thoughts, having regrets, or asking herself if she’s created a monster?
Now Macbeth and Bancuo grew up together and are best friends that know each other very well. When Bancuo walks up to the King and Queen, his thoughts and infinite wisdom evolve around Macbeth and what he may have gone to great lengths to get to this position of being King. He is invited to the evening supper as a special guest, but gives Macbeth insight of his proposed afternoon travel and assures them of his return in time to celebrate. In his time alone, Macbeth begins with envious thoughts of Bancuo’s wisdom. Macbeth shows his fear of Bancuo’s wisdom when he states that his genius is rebuked. Macbeth’s taste of bitterness increases to a greater level when he recalls the witch’s speaking to Bancuo prophesying and hailing that Bancuo would be a father to a line of kings. In that moment he speaks to the murderers that will take Bancuo’s life.
The lines that point to the switching of roles are on Line 39 of page 958 where Macbeth states that his mind is full of scorpions, and on the same breath on Line 42, Macbeth states that Bancuo and his son Fleance are assailable. On Line 48, Lady Macbeth, with tears flowing, asks where it’s to happen, to which Macbeth replies that it’s better for her to be innocent of that knowledge. Scorpion is used as symbolism. Scorpions kill with their venom as Macbeth is venomous and is willing to kill his best friend and brother in arms.
On Line 26 of page 960, one of the murderers, Malcolm or Donalbain, confirms Bancuo’s death by giving details of Bancuo’s mutilated head with 20 gashes and left in a ditch. On Line 29, Macbeth tells the murderer “Thanks for that”. There is no remorse, no sorrow or grieving for taking part in killing his best friend whom he calls a serpent and worm. Lady Macbeth never got to this stage of being a cold-blooded killer. Macbeth is already planning his next kill, McDuff.


Jorge Amaro | 30 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."
In the story, you can tell the reversal between Macbeth and Lady Macbeth on Act III, Scene II, line 10-55. When Macbeth walked in, Lady Macbeth notice how her husband looked lonely and thoughtful. She tells Macbeth "what is done is done" and to be "bright and jovial" with the guests. Macbeth expresses himself by saying that it's not over for the reason Banquo and Fleance are still alive and says "ere we will eat our meal in fears and sleep in the affliction of these terrible dreams that shake us nightly..." he says "to gain peace, have to sent peace" he cant be in peace until he kills Banquo and fleance. Macbeth shows duality for he has good and evil within him.


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Francisco Aleman | 20 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

As Macbeth enjoys the power and attention from becoming the king, is clearly that his duality has come out. on the first act Macbeth was been pushed by his wife Lady Macbeth to commit the murder of king Duncan which in a way make you feel sorry for him, but now that he has accomplished his goal Macbeth has become a rude less person that is willing to kill one of his closest friends Banquo just to avoid his sons from "supposedly" becoming futures kings. Surprisingly now Macbeth and his wife had switched places while Macbeth is planning more murders his wife seems to have remorse for his past actions and seems surprise of Macbeth plans against Banquo and his son. An example of this appears on Act3 scene 2
in between lines 50 to 60 "Thou marvel’st at my words but hold thee still.
Things bad begun make strong themselves by ill"(Shakespeare)


Paula Rivera | 30 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

In the second reading of Macbeth, the reversal of roles between Macbeth and Lady Macbeth, may be seen in Act III Scene II. Lady Macbeth tries to persuade King Macbeth to stop thinking of the murder and try to move on. In line 15 Macbeth starts this dark speech of, “scorching but not killing the snake”.
His mind is uneasy and he is deep in dark thoughts, much like Lady Macbeth was in the first reading. Lady Macbeth on the other hand, does not try to justify the acts any more, but rather tries to persuade him to forget and try to be “bright and jovial” with his guests.
King Macbeth no longer needs persuasion to commit murder. On the contrary, he has planned out Banquo’s death and spares Lady Macbeth the details of how and when by telling her to, “be innocent of the knowledge.”
This role reversal relates to the discussion of duality of human nature because I believe readers may have felt bad for Macbeth in the first reading. Perhaps thinking that he wasn’t truly capable of bad (or evil/murder) but, rather, was talked into it by Lady Macbeth. These lines may be purposefully added to show that Macbeth has both good and evil in him already without having to be persuaded by someone else. The same with Lady Macbeth, although I though of her as mainly evil in reading one, she now has a good side that seems to be genuinely concerned for her husbands mental well being.


Paula Rivera | 30 comments Ilze wrote: "I used the link you gave us to help us understand the play more. In Act III scene II Lady Macbeth mentions "Naught’s had, all’s spent, Where our desire is got without content. 'Tis safer to be that..."

I felt the same way about Macbeths change. I also pointed out how in reading one, I felt as though Macbeth may have been persuaded by his wife too much, however, it is very clear in reading two that Macbeth needs no persuasion to continue to murder. I didn't use the link but I like how you included what the quote
"Naught’s had, all’s spent, Where our desire is got without content. 'Tis safer to be that which we destroy Than by destruction dwell in doubtful joy." meant. I think that enforces exactly what is going on. Macbeth sees no point in trying to be good anymore.


Paula Rivera | 30 comments Kristina wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

Yes they have both definitely changed roles. Lady Macbeth seems to have some sort of remorse or at least is shows to not be enjoying the glamour of being queen. Macbeth on the other hand, whom I felt bad for in the first reading, seems to be convinced that murder is the only way to go now. He seemed as though he needed persuasion to commit murder but in this second reading we see he needs no persuasion and is planning the murder of his best friend all on his own.


angel  castillo (angelcastillo12) | 38 comments Katia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

Only one of the characters between Macbeth and Lady Macbeth is becoming more corrupted, while the other is at it's side but in a more neutral position. Therefore, Lady Macbeth start to fear her own creation, provoking the character development of Lady Macbeth, which will lead to her for changing her role from master planner to scared puppy.


angel  castillo (angelcastillo12) | 38 comments Arturo wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

The human duality in the story is not being shown by negation of no been a different version of one's self, but for the fear of the situation. Therefore, Macbeth deduces that he is forced to kill his obstacles to protect "his" throne, which is leading him to madness his own choices inspired by fear are troubling him.


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Maria | 40 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

At the beginning of the play Macbeth is shown as noble, faithful and a good mad. While on the other hand his wife Lady Macbeth is shown as crazy and evil. Later in the play on act three scene two from lines ten to fifty five Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have a drastic change in roles. In these act Macbeth starts to accept what he did and wants to kill Duncan and Banquo. Lady Macbeth wants Macbeth to control and calm himself as she mentions, "Come on, gentle my lord, sleek o're your rugged looks. Be bright and jovial among your guests tonight". Macbeth is determent to kill Duncan and Banquo so he will get peace. This shows how they change roles because now Macbeth is the one that want to kill and Lady Macbeth does not want to kill. Also, this shows how a person that is good can be evil and is not the witches or his wife controlling him this time, probably they never were because it shows how he is really thinking.


Kenia Cuellar | 29 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."
In the second part by Act 3 scene 2, Macbeth has entered the dark side and does not need approval from Lady Macbeth. "we have scotch'd the snake,not killed it".Macbeth does not plan to get caught and is moving forward with his plans to make sure no one finds out about his murders. Lady Macbeth is no longer pushing him like on the first part. Lady Macbeth seems more remorseful and scared and unsure on what they should do."you must leave this".They switched roles because now Macbeth makes the plans and she is the one that follows. "Whats to be done?"."be innocent of the knowledge dearest chuck,till though applaud the deed". Macbeth has turned into the evil side and is no longer looking back. Lady Macbeth shows remorse and warns him that he will not gave peace. "You lack the season of all natures, sleep".


Kenia Cuellar | 29 comments Katia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

I agree with you, it seems that after reading this it makes us really think and wonder if we are able to do evil things and go to the "evil world". It really makes me wonder if I know myself. They did change roles in the second part and now Macbeth is leading and Lady Macbeth is no longer pushing him. Macbeth just wants to make sure he doesn't get caught.


Viviana L. | 39 comments In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that indicate(s) that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have switched roles. How does this role reversal relate to our discussion about the duality of human nature?

In the first reading that we had of Macbeth. We all knew perfectly well that Lady Macbeth was the one that convinced her husband to do all the bad things to get named as king and to get the throne. Deep down inside we knew that Macbeth felt guilty but he knew he had commit crime and murder if he really wanted that title. By the second reading of Macbeth we can see the role changes between Lady Macbeth and himself. It wasn't really difficult for me to figure this out though. Now for some reason though the things that Lady Macbeth told him have taken a much bigger tole on him. In the story it states that Lady Macbeth told her husband that, "he must look like the innocent flower". Since apparently now they changed roles, Macbeth is the one now telling her that they basically need to mask themselves and looked disguised. In the second reading we see that Macbeth is now completely going through with what the witches told him to do. He is growing a lot more stronger and braver that what he actually thought he was. Also in the second reading there are a lot more deaths. Not only is the king dead but Macbeth also goes through with killing one of his closest friends, Banquo. This shows that Macbeth is becoming a lot more violent and that he really is willing to do whatever it takes to get the title as king.


Kenia Cuellar | 29 comments Arturo wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

I agree with you, Macbeth feels more powerful and he is leading now and has entered the dark side. It looks like now Lady Macbeth is the one with remorse and in denial about the killings. This sure does show how with human duality our roles can change and we are capable of doing things we never thought we could do.


Rebecca | 40 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

In between the lines 30 through 40 we see where Macbeth has become the one who is more cold hearted and has more irrational thoughts. He fears that Banquo will out him knowing how Macbeth felt about King Duncan since Banquo was with Macbeth when the three witches revealed the preminision in the beginning. Macbeth is living in fear and willing to kill Fleance and even Banquo, his own right wing man, all in the name of saving his own bottom. Here Lady Macbeth seems to be more of the voice of reason with Macbeth encouraging him not to think that way and to just play it cool. When Lady Macbeth tells Macbeth that Banquo and Fleance essentially can live forever I wasn't sure if at the point she was agreeing with him in saying they must die for they know too much, or if she was meaning it as in do not trouble yourself over this, nobody lives forever and just let nature take it's course.


Kenia Cuellar | 29 comments angel wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

I agree with you, it seems that now Macbeth is leading and Lady Macbeth is the one with remorse. The roles have changed and Macbeth has entered the dark side. Once again, were are shown how human duality can cause us to do things we never thaught we were capable of doing.


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Dave Bujanos | 34 comments Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."

When first introduced to Lady Macbeth, we see her raw and ice cold nature and how she poisons Macbeth into carrying a away with the evil deed. However, in Act III, Scene II lines 35 - 50 we begin to see Lady Macbeth in a new state of mind: remorse or less enthusiastic as her new role as a monarch: But in them, nature's copy's not eterne...[and] what's to be done?...Be innocent of the knowledge, dearest chuck, till thou applaud the deed. Come, seeling night, Scarf up the tender of eye of pitiful day, and with thy bloody and invisible hand, cancel and tear to pieces that great bond..." (958; Lines 35 - 50).

As you can see, Macbeth now plays the unwavering character. In respects to human duality, one mustn't forget that every person - whether they believe it or not - has two sides to their being; a light and dark. Humans are fickle in nature and are weak when it comes to lust for power and rank. This can be see by both Macbeth and his Lady. In the beginning, it was she who poisoned him, now it is the other way around. All in all, there are two sides to every heart. In this case, the reason is to not cause a stir among the court so to hide there malicious plan.


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Lindsay wrote: "Macbeth and Lady Macbeth seem to have switched roles in Act III, Scene II, Lines 30 – 50. Beginning in line 30 Lady Macbeth seems ready to move on from their past acts and encourages Macbeth to “be..."

Your points are thorough. I think the fact that we see this duality in a married couple is purposeful on Shakespeare's part. A marriage is often viewed as two becoming one, and whatever one partner has, in marriage, the other will inherit. Could Shakespeare be commenting on duality in an individual and using the institution of marriage as his metaphor?


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Senaida wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

Hmmm... interesting because she asks to be "unsexe[d]" earlier, essentially asking for her nourishing side to be undone. Here she seems to be nurturing, but it's unclear why.


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Mary wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
It's as if Lady Macbeth's prayer to darkness affects him as well; he is committed and possessed by evil and ambition, although he did not pray for that.


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Ilze wrote: "I used the link you gave us to help us understand the play more. In Act III scene II Lady Macbeth mentions "Naught’s had, all’s spent, Where our desire is got without content. 'Tis safer to be that..."
Yes. She has no peace; she thought she could pray away her conscience, but it did not work that way. This eventually consumes her.


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Eduardo wrote: "Act 2 Scene 3 reveals how they found Duncan's body and how a switch has been flipped inside Macbeth. He springs vigorously with an agreeable eye to his motivation, seizing control of the nobles an..."
It's a wonder how this happened. She seemed so committed to evil at the beginning. Why do you think this is?


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Kristina wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
However, she's lost all credibility at this point.


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angel wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
Do you think Lady M is turning back to a conscience? Or is shy simply trying to silence guilt?


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Amanda wrote: "In this new act it appears for Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have traded characters, and it seems like Macbeth is on the dark side now. Macbeth touches the Kings blood with his own hands and becomes mor..."
I agree, and every action we take leads us down either road.


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Elizabeth wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
Perhaps Lady M did not think things through. She now has a husband bent on evil which is a scary thing to behold.


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Arturo wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
Yes, and Lady M and M represent each half, don't they?


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Monica wrote: "On Act 3 scene 2 we get to see how Macbeth and lady macbeth have switched roles. Lady Macbeth walks up to her husband and asks him why he is hiding with sadness and loneliness, and tells him to be ..."

But they both are not at peace, non?


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Amalia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
I agree, and how quickly the good can change to bad in both of them is shocking at first, but is soon understood to be very much real.


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Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."
Hmmmm... I think your understanding of Lady M's motivation is interesting. Is she showing she has a conscience, and essentially saying, "enough is enough with the killing?" or is she trying to hide her still wicked heart?


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Mary wrote: "Monica wrote: "On Act 3 scene 2 we get to see how Macbeth and lady macbeth have switched roles. Lady Macbeth walks up to her husband and asks him why he is hiding with sadness and loneliness, and t..."
She doesn't have to anymore. She helped to create a monster, and she got more than she bargained for.


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Rebecca wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

I think it can be read both ways, and perhaps indicate her lack of peace. She is unstable. Her actions have made her hard to read, and the reader has difficulty deciphering her true intent. We know what she is capable of at this point.


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Viviana wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from the play that in..."
Do you think his role in the murders makes it easier for him to just continue in this mode of thought? Why can't he shake this?


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Kenia wrote: "Katia wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or..."
That's what good literature does. I'm so thrilled that you asked yourself this question. Shakespeare has a way of showing humanity in its most beautiful and most shameful state. I'm so happy you looked at how this play can speak to your own humanity. Unfortunately, we are all Macbeths, but too few of us look in the mirror and are honest about what we are capable of.


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Maria wrote: "Monica wrote: "In class, we discussed how Lady Macbeth is a strong influence on Macbeth to commit murder. In this second part of your reading assignment for Macbeth, locate a line (or lines) from t..."

Interesting... you have been one of the few to pick up on this topic: the will of man- free? or controlled by the supernatural?


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Elvia wrote: "Before presenting the lines that indicate that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth have switched roles, one has to go to the scene where Lady Macbeth is either pretending to faint to stop Macbeth from self-in..."

What do you think the implication is that his "mind" is full of scorpions and not his "heart" or his "soul"?


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