English 2341 Spring 2015 Class discussion
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Macbeth
The Duality of Human Nature
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Monica wrote: ""Fair is foul and foul is fair" for me this line means that what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right. What Macbeth has to do to obtain the throne is wrong. Macbeth knows that killing the k..."Monica I do agree with what you are saying. It is true when we have something that is being offered to us & something that is very valuable and important we will do anything to get the title or whatever it is in our possession. Whether it is good or bad. You state that Lady Macbeth and the witches sort of manipulate him and convince him to do something that he really doesn't want to do. Deeep down inside I think we can agree that Macbeth regrets doing what he did, which is kill the king.
Mary wrote: "Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"The chant..."
Mary Jane I do agree with you on how you interpret the line. You say that it"s like a vice versa thing and that is true. I even stated it myself that I felt like the line was contradicting itself. I hadn't notice that in the passage, but you state that not everyone is being there real selves and that the witches are basically just predicting the future that Macbeth really wants to hear. I feel like in this story no one can be trusted.
Senaida wrote: "Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"“Fair is..."
I agree with you. I also think that the battle isn't just on the battlefield but there is a battle between good and evil in Macbeth's mind. We see this as he straddles that line before killing Duncan. When he is wondering if the dagger he sees is real or in his mind.
Luis wrote: "The saying “fair is foul an foul is fair” is one of the last lines in the Act 1 Scene 1 of the play when the witches are predicting the events to come in the play in the upcoming acts. With these w..."I agree with you. While I believe Macbeth has the power to make up his own mind, I think the words of the preminision that witches put into his mind have Macbeth confused as to what is fair and what is foul. With the constant egging on of his wife in challenging his manhood, I think she too plays a huge role in the decisions he ultimately will make.
Senaida wrote: "Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"“Fair is..."
Thats true Senaida, even tho Macbeth was doing something morally wrong it can be justified.I believe Macbeth was affected by mental disorder by coming in and out of reality unable to distinguish fiction from right and wrong.I find your comment really fascinating.
Rebecca wrote: "Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"Before th..."
Rebecca, I believe Lady Macbeth is delusional and corrupted by greed and aspirations for power.She is all consume with all this corruption by saying "just a little water clears us of this deed".Shes just want all that power which leads her to con consider the implication of Macbeth actions.
Eduardo wrote: ""Fair is foul and foul is fair” is a statement "Faviation is foul and foul is bazaar ” is a command that may be described as self-contradictory (paradox)because basically they are saying that what ..."I agree with you. I've mentioned before how I believe Macbeth has the power to make his own decisions but he constantly finds himself straddling the line. I think his only support as of right now on staying good and of clear mind is Banquo. I see him as Macbeth's rock. Reminding him to forget about what the witches said.
Luis wrote: "The saying “fair is foul an foul is fair” is one of the last lines in the Act 1 Scene 1 of the play when the witches are predicting the events to come in the play in the upcoming acts. With these w..."That's true Luis I believe the witches are prophesying what is to come.This prophesy leads to a change in Macbeth personality. Once so drastic the it would lead him to murder.
Dave wrote: "Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"The expre..."
Dave, I agree with your response. The meaning "fair is foul and foul is fair" is something that is good can be something extremely dark and something that is dark can be something good. like you said, Macbeth was in between of good and dark for the reason that he that his wife would tell him what to do.
Maria wrote: "What I understood form this play is that the saying the witches keep repeating "Fair is fouls and foul is fair" has a connection and present the bad and the good part in a person. It was difficult ..."I agree with you Maria, this story was confusing and sometimes I didn't understand what they were trying to say but I did know that when they said "fair is foul and foul is fair" is something good can be something bad and something that is bad can be something good. Like you mentioned on your response that the witches disturbed Macbeth peace for the reason that his wife would tell him what to do and the witches would tell him his faith.
Kristina wrote: "Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"“Fair is ..."
I agree with the duality of human nature that you are describing, however, I personally thought Macbeth had a choice. He could have turned to Lady Macbeth and said, "You're crazy, we not doing this." But instead he decides that its expected of him to do this, I think he's tuned out of reality at this point.
Ilze wrote: "This quote is very important throughout the whole story "Fair is foul and foul is fair" can apply to us on a daily basis just the same way in Macbeth. I believe the quote means that whatever your o..."I think the same thing! After reading that quote I knew something bad was going to happen. Even though we understand the possibility of being good and evil in humans you would think he would strive to fight the evil side. Instead I thought he almost began to embrace it the way his crazy wife does.
Monica wrote: "The witches chant, “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” Explain what this means. What do you think is the implication of these lines and that they are spoken over and over?"What I understand from the witches when they say "Fair is foul and foul is fair" is that everyone will get what they deserve. I think that they are happy because they know the future and they know what is going to happen but it is fun for them to see the mistakes Macbeth is going to face. I think the wishes know that Macbeth will get what he deserves in the end and that is why they are celebrating.Also, I think it reminds us that whatever we do is going to come back to us and that is why they say it twice. "Fair is foul, and foul is fair to me means karma is coming for you.
Maria wrote: "What I understood form this play is that the saying the witches keep repeating "Fair is fouls and foul is fair" has a connection and present the bad and the good part in a person. It was difficult ..."I agree with you. Just as you noticed that Macbeth was uneasy with is decision, I too took this into account. Macbeth is clearly torn between himself and his own ambition. "...[this] horrid image doth unfix my hair And make my seated heart knock at my ribs..." (Line 948). You can really see how much of a struggle he is going through, yet he in the end succumbs to his Shadow. Great insight.
The expre..."
I do totally agree with you that Macbeth was divided into the good and the bad with his ambition to become king. Also that Banquo was the first one to notice Macbeth change and that he believe on what the witches said because of his wife. In addition, I do agree with you on the meaning of "Fair is foul and foul is fair" because the witches divide Macbeth worlds into two he was the one that could chose form good or bad.