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message 1: by Yanik (last edited Apr 12, 2021 03:30AM) (new)

Yanik | 8 comments Hello,
I’m looking into adding Ospery’s 51 part Battles of World War II series. Or at least the ones I own for starters. The series was published in 2007 and reprinted in 2009.
Full series, excluding some entries

A problem I’m running into is, while some entries would appear to be new, most have been publicized under different names or in different series before or after (mainly as part of the Ospery Campaign series, which is huge and unfocussed). They generally have the same author and page count, sometimes under different titles/subtitles.
Ospery Campaign series on Goodreads

Examples:
Stalingrad 1942 has been published in at least 5 other formats:
Pearl Harbor 1941
Some, however, have their Battles of World War II version included in the Ospery Campaing editions::
Poland 1939

Would it be advisable to add them as alternative editions to the ones included in the Ospery Campaign series, which would lose the series numberingand title? Or create new entries to be added in a new series and link them via ‘earlier published’?


message 2: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments this appears to be an imprint rather than a series.

Librarything cannot be used as a source.


message 3: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments I would be happy to help add these to a list.


message 4: by Yanik (last edited Apr 12, 2021 04:24AM) (new)

Yanik | 8 comments
They are definitely a series.:)
Each entry comes with a number.

But a list might be more practical. I could add the 'Battles of World War II' prefix to entries to make them more searchable, if they are to be part of the Ospery Campaign series.


message 5: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments They are an imprint - Not a series by GR definition. I am making Lists by the war.

As you mentioned in your first post, not all editions of these titles are part of the "set"

Having matching covers does not constitute a series:
from the Librarian Manual:
Imprints are not series

Imprints and other unrelated collections of works (usually by multiple authors) are not series. They can be grouped with a Listopia list, or the collection/imprint information can be listed in the edition field, but they should not be grouped into a series, or listed on a book's title line.

As a general rule, a book is only part of a series if that designation would apply to all editions of a work. To be a series, books should have characters and/or universes in common. In the case of imprints and other non-series collections, it is common for some of these books to be published under numerous other imprints as well.


message 6: by Yanik (new)

Yanik | 8 comments I wasn't really planning on using Librarything.
Adding the books I own would be the safest thing atm.
The series is out of print so sadly they are not listed on Ospery's homepage.


message 7: by Yanik (new)

Yanik | 8 comments Suzi wrote: "They are an imprint - Not a series by GR definition. I am making Lists by the war.

As you mentioned in your first post, not all editions of these titles are part of the "set"

Having matching cove..."

Ah, that clarifies, thanks.:)
So, how to go about this? Add the missing editions to the Ospery Campaign versions and possibly give the 'Battles of World War II' prefix to the new and existing versions? The numbering order can than be dictated in the list.


message 8: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments If you want to add the editions that you own that do not exist on GR, I am working on the list now.


message 9: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments Yanik wrote: "Suzi wrote: "They are an imprint - Not a series by GR definition. I am making Lists by the war.

As you mentioned in your first post, not all editions of these titles are part of the "set"

Having ..."


The "Ospery Campaign" information belongs in the edition field, since only title/series information goes in the title field.


message 10: by Yanik (new)

Yanik | 8 comments Awesome, will do that, thanks!
Should I include the 'Battles of World War II' in the title, or that too better left to the list?


message 11: by Yanik (new)

Yanik | 8 comments Suzi wrote: "Yanik wrote: "Suzi wrote: "They are an imprint - Not a series by GR definition. I am making Lists by the war.

As you mentioned in your first post, not all editions of these titles are part of the ..."


Ah, of course!


message 12: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments when I finish the list(s) I will post here and you can vote on the ones you own.


message 13: by Yanik (new)

Yanik | 8 comments I've added:
#8 Crete 1941
#9 Moscow 1941
#14 Gazala 1942
#17 El Alamein 1942
#18 Stalingrad 1942
#22 Kursk 1943

Added subtitle and edition type to the other few I own that were already included.
As a side note: I added a librarian note to an already existing separate entry for Stalingrad 1942 to be merged with the new edition. I have never done this before so don't know if this is possible for an edition vs, what is made out to be, a separate book here:
Existing separate entry for Stalingrad


message 14: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments thanks for the update - I am still working on this


message 15: by Suzi (new)

Suzi | 8661 comments Yanik wrote: "I've added:
#8 Crete 1941
#9 Moscow 1941
#14 Gazala 1942
#17 El Alamein 1942
#18 Stalingrad 1942
#22 Kursk 1943

these appear to be part of a complete set, such as an encyclopedia. Were they published as a set?



message 16: by Yanik (new)

Yanik | 8 comments Suzi wrote: "Yanik wrote: "I've added:
#8 Crete 1941
#9 Moscow 1941
#14 Gazala 1942
#17 El Alamein 1942
#18 Stalingrad 1942
#22 Kursk 1943

these appear to be part of a complete set, such as an encyclopedia. We..."


I thought so at first, but #22 Kursk was published in 2010, while previous ones in 2009, so I guess not.

I've found a blog post on Ospery's website which is the only thing mentioning this collection. Nothing about publishing order but it does mention it being part of the Ospery Campaign series so that is good to have affirmed!


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