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THE SECOND WORLD WAR > WE ARE OPEN - WEEK NINE - THE DAY OF BATTLE - March 9th ~ March 15th - Chapter Seven: A River and a Rock - Colonel Warden Makes a Plan - “Nothing Was Right Except the Courage” - pages 322-350

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Hello, Everyone,

For the week of March 9th - March 15th, we are reading Chapter 7 - A River and a Rock - Colonel Warden Makes a Plan - “Nothing Was Right Except the Courage” - pages 322-350 of the book-The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy 1943-1944 by Rick Atkinson.

The ninth week's reading assignment is:

Week Nine- March 9th - March 15th, 2015
Chapter Eight - River and a Rock - Colonel Warden Makes a Plan - “Nothing Was Right Except the Courage” - pages 322-350

We will open up a thread for each week's reading. Please make sure to post in the particular thread dedicated to those specific chapters and page numbers to avoid spoilers. We will also open up supplemental threads as we did for other spotlighted books.

This book was kicked off on January 12th

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The Day of Battle The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944 (World War II Liberation Trilogy, #2) by Rick Atkinson by Rick Atkinson Rick Atkinson

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All, we do not have to do citations regarding the book or the author being discussed during the book discussion on these discussion threads - nor do we have to cite any personage in the book being discussed while on the discussion threads related to this book.

However if we discuss folks outside the scope of the book or another book is cited which is not the book and author discussed then we do have to do that citation according to our citation rules. That makes it easier to not disrupt the discussion.


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Everyone, for the week of March 9th - March 15th we are reading Chapter Seven: A River and a Rock, Colonel Warden Makes a Plan and "Nothing Was Right Except the Courage"

The ninth week's reading assignment is:

Week Nine - March 9th - March 15th
Chapter Seven: A River and a Rock, Colonel Warden Makes a Plan and "Nothing Was Right Except the Courage"

Chapter Overview and Summary:

PART THREE

Chapter Seven: A River and a Rock

Colonel Warden Makes a Plan

Under pressure from Churchill and with approval from Roosevelt, Allied commanders devise sensible, if risky, plans to land southwest of Rome.

"Nothing Was Right Except the Courage"

Allied troops arrive at Monte Cassino, where Kesselring plans to defeat them. Allied commanders debate plans on dealing with Cassino as the Anzio landings get under way, and eventually assault the Rapido.


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Folks, we are open - since I was ill last week - we will catch up on both week's discussion this week - feel free to open it up.


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Bryan Craig You now know that Churchill is feeling better, he was pushing hard for this landing in Italy at Anzio. It felt like North Africa all over again where the Americans felt a little left out.


Francie Grice It sounds a lot like North Africa to me also. You have to wonder what these commanders were thinking. I think this quote is apropos: "The stupidity of some higher commanders seems to be profound. (page 343, Kindle edition)


Francie Grice Also liked this quote: "You take the most gallant sailor, the most intrepid airman, and the most audacious soldier, put them at a table together -- what do you get? The sum total of their fears!" (page 326, Kindle edition)


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Bryan Craig Great quotes, folks. I just image sitting over a map covering an entire country or region of the planet and trying to figure out what to do. Daunting, and you now understand what it means: World War.


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Bryan Craig I enjoyed reading about the cease fire as Allied and German doctors talked to one another. It kind of reminded me of that Christmas truce in 1914.


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Skeetor | 311 comments Yes, strange how at times everyone reverts back to just ordinary folk.


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Folks this is the syllabus:

The Syllabus for:

The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy 1943-1944

Week One - January 12th - January 18th 2015
Prologue and Part One-1.Across the Middle Sea -Forcing the World Back to Reason - pages 1-46

Week Two - January 19th - January 25th
Part One - 1. Across the Middle Sea - Calypso' Island and The Horses of the Sun and Death of Glory and Part Two The Burning Shore - pages 46-91

Week Three - January 26th - February 1st
Part One -2 The Burning Shore - The Land of the Cyclops and The Loss of Irrecoverable Hours and "Tonight Wear White Pajamas" and "The Dark World is Not Far From Us" - pages 91-121

Week Four - February 2nd - Februrary 8th
Part One -3. An Island Redoubt - "Into Battle with Stout Hearts" and How I Love Wars and Snaring the Head Devil and Fevers of an Unknown Origin and A Great Grief and In A Place Like This - pages 125-175

Week Five - February 9th - February - 15th
Part Two -4.- Salerno - “Risks Must Be Calculated" and Plots, Counterplots, and Cross-plots and The Stillest Shoes the World Could Boast and The Moan of Lost Souls - pages 179-227

Week Six - February 16th - February 22rd
Part Two - 4.Salerno - A Portal Win and Part Two- 5. Corpse of the Siren- "I Give You Naples and "Watch Where You Step and Have No Curiosity at All" and The Mountainous Hinterland - pages 227-263

Week Seven - February 23rd - March 1st
Part Two - 5. Corpse of the Siren - The Mountainous Hinterland and "The Entire World Was Burning" and Part Two - 6. Winter - The Archangel Michael, Here and Everywhere - pages 265-293

Week Eight - March 2nd - March 8th
Part Two - 6. Winter - "A Tank Too Big for the Village Square" and A Gangster's Battle and Too Many Gone West - pages 293-318

Week Nine - March 9th - March 15th
Part Three - 7. A River and a Rock - Colonel Warden Makes a Plan and "Nothing Was Right Except the Courage" - pages 322-350

Week Ten - March 16th -March 22nd
Part Three - 7. A River and a Rock - The Show Must Go On - and 8. Perdition - “Something's Happening" and Through the Looking Glass - pages 351-385

Week Eleven - March 23rd - March 29th
Part Three - 8. Perdition - Jerryland and 9. The Murder Space -This World and the Next World at Strife - pages 385-412

Week Twelve - March 30th - April 5th
Part Three - 9. The Murder Space - The Bitchhead and "Man Is Distinguished from the Beasts" - pages 412-441

Week Thirteen - April 6th - April 12th
Part Four - 10 Four Horsemen - A Fairyland of Silver and Gold and The Weight of Metal - pages 445 - 473

Week Fourteen - April 13th - April 19th
Part Four - 10. Four Horsemen - Dragonflies in the Sun and 11. A Kettle of Grief - Dead Country and "Put the Fear of God into Them" and "You Are All Brave. You Are All Gentlemen" - pages 473-509

Week Fifteen - April 20th - April 26th
Part Four - 11. A Kettle of Grief - "On the Eve of Great Things" and 12. The Great Prize - Shaking Stars from the Heavens - pages 509-536

Week Sixteen - April 27th - May 3rd
Part Four - 12. The Great Prize - A Fifth Army Show - pages 536-555

Week Seventeen - May 4th - May 10th
Part Four - 12. The Great Prize - The Cuckoo's Song and Expulsion of the Barbarians - pages 555-576

Week Eighteen - May 11th - May 17th
Epilogue - pages 577-588

Week Nineteen - May 18th - 24th
Book as a Whole and Final Thoughts



Vincent (vpbrancato) | 1245 comments Hi Folks

Sorry I am behind again but on the path I hope.

This is such a tough part to read -

WC (Churchill) wants to do Shingle and Ike is gone and WC gets folks to capitulate. He picnics in the foothills of the Atlas Mountains and Ike pays bridge with Kay Summersby and the troops get sent.

My hero Hewitt is away deleting a strong voice of reason.

Pg 328 WC says "without risk there could be no honor, no glory, no adventure" - he seems to have left the goal of success out of the achievable goals for taking the risk.

Shingle (not there yet but this preamble) seems to be WC's and Clark's "dream wish" for the true situation.

Keyes should be a hero too I think - it is amazing to me that Atkinson gets to the thinking of these various men. - I am assuming by diary's and commentaries etc but Atkinson has a lot of it here.

And - I have been away from this book for a while - I think that atypically Atkinson (pg 348 para 5) accuses all senior officers for the Rapido fiasco.

These last 15 or 20 pages were a very tough read.


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I wondered at Atkinson basically lumping everybody in one pile.


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