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Quarantine Tuesday Reading Kaffeeklatsch: 1/12/21

I had no idea there was a Peter Wimsey cookbook. I'll have to look for it. Forget Mr. Darcy or Jamie from Outlander, Lord Peter is my literary crush! I plan to reread all his books in 2021 since I realized it has been over 30 years since I last read them.

Corey also love NYC because he can go to any one of the Jewish restaurants and not worry about having an allergic reaction to shellfish since shellfish isn’t kosher.
We’ve both been to NYC but not together. Lol.
I don’t like to cook or bake. And I’ve recently discovered that I can’t eat gluten, which makes cooking, baking, and eating less fun. Although, katzglutenfree.com has some great gluten free treats so I can still eat donuts or “twinkies” when everyone else around me is too.
The way I’m distracting myself is continuing to play Animal Crossing on my Nintendo Switch, sleeping (this is also due to depression), and reading when I can stay awake. I watch shows with my husband every now and then too.
I’m honestly just trying to ignore what’s going on in the USA right now. I just don’t like to think about it. It makes me nervous and afraid and anxious. I know ignoring everything isn’t a good way to deal with things. It’s just avoidance, but I’m good at that. Lol.

I had no idea there was a Peter Wimsey cookbook. I'll have to look for it. Forge..."
It was published in 1981. I suggest looking on ABE books or just contact used bookstores. I have found that vendors selling long OOP books on Amazon usually seriously overprice them. There are also a number of independent cookbook stores like Bonnie Slotnick Cookbooks on the LES (used to be on W. 10th) that primarily sell used cookbooks. In fact my current Betty Crocker, a duplicate of the one we had at the farm, is from her shop. My sister has the original, duct tape and all. My Joy of Cooking dates from the 1980s and is taped together.

I have done my share of game play and avoidance sleeping.
I know a few excellent kosher restaurants. Eating out would be very easy for him! And gluten free is on trend here so you too would do just fine.

I love to cook savoury, but I am possibly the world’s worst baker. I can make bread and I can do scones (are they called that in the States as well?) but that is my limit - don’t ask me to bake a cake because it invariably comes out resembling a rock and ends up gracing the bottom of the rubbish bin. I know it’s just a question of practice and careful measuring but seriously can I be a**ed?! ‘Yeah, nah’ as we say round here. But I just bought myself a pan for mini muffins with a view to being a good Nana and making things for Miss 20 months. She isn’t allowed sugar, so it’ll be veggie muffins all the way - so hopefully the baking curse will stay at bay ;)
Despite the lack of a baking gene, my already substantial lockdown waistline has expanded rather than diminished despite not having *been* in lockdown since the end of April ... . So since I would prefer not to continue to resemble a small cheerful barrel, I am currently exploring the culinary delights of Weight Watchers recipes, many of which are surprisingly nice.
Loving the recipe thread elsewhere in Footnotes - storing up some savoury treats. I should find my mother in law’s pavlova recipe. Pavlova is a meringue cake that is a national treasure - and if any cheeky Aussie tells you it’s Australian, don’t believe them - They Stole The Recipe!

Ooh, I love reading/looking through cookbooks! I have many, but at the moment I use Deliciously Ella Ella WoodwardDeliciously Ella The Plant-Based Cookbook: 100 Simple Vegan Recipes to Make Every Day Delicious and her cookbooks (and her app). She makes gorgeous plant-based recipes and when I use the app it converts the measurements.
Apart from that I collect recipes from magazines (and have too many of those to ever make all of them) and put them in a box.
Even though I am not a big baker, either (I just don't like that you have to stick to the recipe so closely, I think) I baked some black-bean chocolate cookies before christmas (from Deliciously Ella's app) and weird though it sounds, they were really good (they don't taste like beans AT ALL, but they actually taste like cookies! And are much healthier because they use black beans as one of their basic ingredients.
And I want to try the mandarin cake you mentioned, Theresa.
I also always like books that have interesting recipes but a short preparation time like 20 Minuten sind genug - vegetarisch (GU Themenkochbuch) where you find recipes that only take 20 minutes to prepare.
I did get a Betty Crocker Vegetarian Cookbook (it is actually more like a magazine in size) when I studied in Canada in 1994, and one of the recipes has become a staple for parties (Tortellini-Broccoli-Salad), but the rest I haven't really tried. Now I just don't like transforming the measurements, so I am using German/European cookbooks more.
Apart from that, to distract myself, I do watch series a lot, right now I am watching the Lethal Weapon series on amazon prime. It is actually pretty good for distraction, I find. I love Grey's Anatomy and the like as well.
I have started playing fishdom on my phone last year. That is quite addictive. I am trying to keep playing time down and get more reading done this year and have more screenfree time.
I love cooking, when I have everything at home. So, many weeks I try and make a cooking plan and get the groceries beforehand for the whole week. I don't like having to do groceries so often...
I do want to try out NYC's restaurants! I am so looking forward to travelling again. In my town, we do have quite a few different cuisines available, too. But I haven't ordered in so much during lockdown. I did last year for the first lockdown. Now I tend to cook more myself.
Anyway, wishing you all a good time cooking or ordering in. I am developing quite an appetite as I am writing so much about cooking...

I too, have the original Betty Crocker cookbook and do refer to it. When my husband learned to cook (about 2 years ago), he used it also. I'm a decent cook, but have to buy pastry (since baking has never interested me.) Tuna Noodle casserole is a comfort food of mine too. Now that winter is here, pretty soon I'll be making a pot of stew.
Here is a review that I wrote about a fun book about Jewish cooking. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show....
I'll keep reading the thread to find out about others' food experiences. (Maybe, this will distract me from watching too much CNN.)

My go to cookbook How Cooking Works by Sylvia Rosenthal-I purchased when published in 1981 and it has been my bible of cooking ever since. The cover is gone (and I mean the hardcover...LoL) and it is time to get the duct tape out. I do have a Betty Crocker too. I use to collect cookbooks and have some them stored away somewhere.
@ Theresa-when I have visited New York, I could have eaten at the Jewish Deli's everyday, if my travel mates would have allowed it!
So What's for Dinner? Today, a cold wintery day calls for Chicken Soup. The whole chicken is in the pot, will add some onion and celery, herbs I have in the freezer from my summer garden and I put a few carrots in as my husband likes them in the soup-not too many though as it makes the both too sweet.
What's on your menu today?
I was suppose to have a procedure today, to ease my pain. At the last minute the damn insurance company pulled the approval. My doc assures me he will get on them for being such idiots and get the approval back, but I am livid and trying to reign that in because all it does is exacerbate my pain and anxiety. So thanks for this diversion Theresa!

Oh no! Hope it gets sorted soon so you can get the treatment!


I don't spend money on cookbooks. There is no point because 95% of recipes I can't eat. I also struggle going out to eat and am very particular about restaurants. Luckily the area I live is use to a lot of different people with various dietary needs. I've learned to speak up when I order.
If my husband and I are going to try a new recipe then we spend a lot of time on google trying to find substitutions. I've done the same with my mom and lot of family recipes. Some examples, I can't have foods that are high in sugars (specifically fructans) like onions, garlic, apples... I also have a strong intolerance to peppers, mainly bell peppers to the point that paprika is even a big, BIG no no. I've had to send back plates at restaurants that have used paprika as decoration and now make sure to tell everyone I'm allergic to it.
Needless to say... I don't turn to food during stress because for me it's a point of stress. Same with alcohol... it makes me sick too.
My reading has kicked up to hide in books while everything is going on. I've also been walking more on my treadmill. I've been making sure to get outside for a walk everyday, even if it's raining. I've also taken on renovating/updating my office, which is where all my books live. I got a star wars themed rug but the star wars is very subtle and adult. I'll be painting and rearranging to... which I did in my main living area during part of the pandemic.


When I get on here I am usually sneaking away for a short time before going back to work...
@Jannie Jenni Elyse wrote: "Well, I love shellfish. So, when I travel or when he travels, I splurge on shellfish."
Me too! My husband and I had king crab legs for New Year's and they were delicious. My favorite thing to eat I think.
My husband is the book, but he swears by a couple resources for Japanese and Korean:
https://www.justonecookbook.com/
https://www.maangchi.com/
They are both very accessible if you are intimidated by Japanese or Korean food, I've even used them!

My go to cookbook How Cooking Works by Sylvia Rosenthal-I purchased when published in 1981 and it has been my bible ..."
I'm sorry that your procedure for pain control was cancelled, Joanne. I hope it can be rescheduled and approved ASAP.

Ah, Meli! I am not consistant as to the time I start the thread! As I am a night owl, I most often start it around midnight EST since with my work load, if I wait for more normal hours it would be nught before I get time. But sometimes that happens.
And I know what you mean about feeling stressed when a lot posts to read when you just check in for a minute, LOL!

That is because Ice Cream is friends with everyone-LoL, it is mt favorite thing in the culinary world

I will totally second Meli's recommendation of https://www.maangchi.com/ for Korean food though. I've been meaning to put my kimchi fried rice recipe on the recipe thread, but haven't found the time, and wasn't sure if anyone would be into it. lots of people think kimchi is a 'scary food'- but it really isn't.
I know I've said this before here, but I'm the crazy girl who doesn't really like sweets that much- so I'm normally a pass on ice cream, cake, pie, whatnot. Of course there are always exceptions, but I'll always take popcorn or something salty over sweet.
Also good news- my parents go the shot 1 Pfizer vaccine! They're doing vaccines at the State Fairgrounds where they live, and the city unfroze a large batch of pfizer- not enough people in the phase we are in showed up- so they opened it up for anyone, and they quickly got in line.

I basically was learning to cook from the cradle - not just savory and sweet but also preservation - canning, freezing, jams, pickling. Even butchery. That's what comes from growing up on a farm where a significant portion of your food comes from your own efforts and not the supermarket. We just cooked savory and it was pretty simple. My dad was a meat and potatoes man. Exotic meals were spaghetti and pizza. Even today, I mostly use recipes for baking, although I will read savory ones to get an idea on cooking times and such.

So many cooking goals are intimidating but in reality are just time consuming, not difficult. Julia Child's Boeuf Bourginon - lots of steps, lots of mis-en-place, a lot of time - but actually quite easy as a dish. And oh so worth it! Indian food is a lot of advance prep - as are most Asian cuisines. The actually cooking is pretty straight forward.
I'm just too lazy and want things NOW!

@Theresa I just don't have the time as even with the savory there is need for knowledge on the chemistry sometimes. Since there are more foods that I can't eat than I can, it's just easier to repeat the same recipes that I've figured out over and over because I know that I'm "safe". The trial and error to get to those "safe" recipes over the years has not been easy and can be frustrating and exhausting. One small misstep can leave me debilitated for hours if not a whole day and sucks any joy out of being chef-fy at times because there are more consequences than just not liking the taste of it... hence the reason that food and cooking is an area of stress and I sometimes wish I could not bother with it.

Now my attitude toward cooking is relaxed. I will use recipes but I feel fine changing them. Some of the things I make, like chili and lasagna, I don't really use a recipe for, I just know what I put in. I am not very patient so I don't do pie crusts or fancy-looking desserts. I even prefer making cookie bars to individual cookies because it is faster and easier. My husband is wonderful in that he likes just about anything and he cooks as well. He is even more creative in cooking than I am. I don't think he has ever used a recipe.

The pain I experience because of food increases my stress and anxiety and adds to my depression. It’s a catch-22. If I weren’t stressed, I’d probably feel a whole lot better. However, I am so I don’t and then add the food issues on top of that.

Yep... there is something that I haven't identified yet that causes massive and I mean MASSIVE joint pain. Since I haven't identified what the trigger is it's like I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop after I eat. I have a tendency to eat the same thing over and over again, especially during the week when I'm working, so I don't accidentally get sick.
Wheat was one of my most recent ahas... luckily for me the effect was just gas. I had already switched to potato bread for most breads but didn't realize it was in the paste noodles we eat. We've since have been trying out rice or lentil pastas and now I'm symptom free for our spaghetti nights! Yay!!! :)



Awww... Thank you :) ... I'm fine, really... just let my frustration come out in my posts... having issues wit food can get old.

My one son has a similar stomach and digestion to his grandma. As a child we found out that fat high gluten stuff was not good - burgers and pizzas for example. If he ate that it was okay if he ate fibres, carrots typically, alongside it. He also reacted badly to sodas, so he's stopped drinking them altogether. He and my mum are fine eating bread when it's homebaked from whole wheat flour, where there is stuff left for the system to digest. They are also fine eating rye bread, which we eat a lot of here. As a rule I'd always go with as natural ingredients as possible. I know this is not the case everywhere in the states, but I think you may have a lot of prefabricated foods, and I'd steer clear of that. If you're not cooking yourself I'd go for any restaurant/cafe/whatever that prepares the food from scratch, or preprepared meals where there's used 'real' food and no, or very few E's. Also find out what those E's are.
Sorry for the long healthy food speech: My parents were part of the hippie movement. They didn't go for the free love and drugs, but went for breaking down gender roles and natural health food. And, yeah, it sticks, and it's not the worst heritage to have :) (Thank you mum and dad).
I recently had a very European reaction to bleached flour. WTH is that? Why??? It's banned here btw.


The problem is my husband’s allergies, especially to shellfish. He’s already suffered cardiac arrest twice from anaphylactic shock. I’m terrified we wouldn’t be able to convey the severity of his allergy in another language and I’m not sure how many people speak English. I don’t want to assume or expect people to cater to me when I’m in another country.

I love shellfish and all sea foods. I feel sorry for your husband. I have a colleague who loves chocolate but is allergic to it. I feel sorry for her too.

Thanks for your concern Amy. Like Charlotte, this is somewhere I know I can come and vent and get out the frustration and then move on. The chronic pain has just become a part of my reality, and the b.s. with insurance. I will be so happy in May when I go on Medicare and Blue Cross is my secondary insurance-since my husband turned 65 we have not had one problem with his treatment.

I hope I never have issues with spicy food. Or coffee.


Your husband's allergy is really serious! That's scary... allergy almost seems like an understatement.

Allergies are scary to me. I can't imagine the fear you live wiht Jenni Elyse. I feel like some restaurants don't take it super serious, or at least they didn't in my old home town. Here they are a lot more receptive to working with dietary differences but there is a huge portion of our population that is vegetarian or vegan and there is a sub group that don't eat onions and other things as part of their religious belief.


He can’t walk into most grocery stores because they don’t ventilate the seafood area. We can’t eat at most restaurants for fear of cross-contamination. Asian food is out completely because of hidden things like oyster sauce and shrimp paste.
He jokes that the way he wants to go is by eating a plate of popcorn shrimp. I just look at him with disdain when he says things like that.

I believe it will be the Moderna vaccine. Of course, won't actually know for sure until I get there.
For once I am the right age at the right time.


Yipee! And what a day to celebrate, eh?

Two long awaited events in the same day...whew!

Jenni, that's really tough. That's a lot of restaurants out of the question, and a lot of precautions to take, plus anaphylactic shock is really scary and harsh.
Well, not that going out to dinner is an option atm, just got another 3 weeks prolonged lockdown. The British variant is hitting Europe hard atm.
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Food. Of course I turn to food. And chocolate. Single Malt Scotch or a cocktail or some mead. The occasional cup of tea.
But food. Living in NYC allows me to get a lot of cuisines delivered - besides Indian, Chinese, and Italian (not just pizza), I regularly cycle through French, Vietnamese, Thai, Southern (the benefit of living on edge of Harlem), Korean and Mexican. Oh and kosher deli - we do have the largest Jewish concentration in US. If I liked sushi or Japanese - lots of options.
I also enjoy cooking and baking...or used to. Somehow I got out of the habit. Too many late nights working. Too little time at home. But if I want comfort food...chili, meatloaf, scallop potatoes and pork chops, tuna noodle casserole, spaghetti with meat sauce, creamed curried turkey on rice...the food I grew up with on the farm...I have to cook. Doesn't matter how many amazing meals I have had or will have, there is nothing like those old comfort food recipes.
Growing up on a farm, I belonged to 4-H, making some standards in my repertoire actually from lessons learned there - such as my pumpkin pie.
I also have a few fundraising cookbooks - my cranberry upside down cake comes from the Village Singers Cookbook, which featured favorite recipes of the membership of the now long defunct chorus. Too many of tbe leaders succumbed to AIDS in the 80s leading to an abrupt end to the group. But their recipes live on - many familiar from the fabulous potlucks they held.
I also like cookbooks. Useful ones that I actually cook from:
Betty Crocker - orange cover from 70s
Joy of Cooking
Julia - duh, of course
Nigella Lawson's cookbooks
Silver Palate Cookbook.
I also have a fondness for what I call fun cookbooks. Ones published in connection with a book that recreates food described in books...such as the ones for Redwall and Game of Thrones. Author Susan Mallery published one with her Fools Gold series that includes a novella featuring 2 chefs whose recipes are in the cookbook.
One of tbe best literary cookbooks ever published IMHO was the Peter Wimsey Cookbook - The Lord Peter Wimsey Cookbook by Elizabeth Bond Ryan - long OOP. I gave that to a dear friend who adores the books (I do not) the year it was published. She still makes the Shepherd's Pie recipe from it every year for Christmas Eve Dinner. It is delish!
I also enjoy quirky or theme cookbooks like Vintage Cakes: Timeless Recipes for Cupcakes, Flips, Rolls, Layer, Angel, Bundt, Chiffon, and Icebox Cakes for Today's Sweet Tooth, or Whiskey in a Teacup: What Growing Up in the South Taught Me About Life, Love, and Baking Biscuits.
Today while reading an alumae enewsletter from my alma mater Barnard College, I saw this one, added it to my wishlist and was inspired to write today's Kaffeeklatsch: https://www.simonandschuster.com/book....