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I found the conversation, it wasn't me, it was Teresa who asked the question. It was clear that the potion meant is the Shield Potion. That's why no other player felt the need to ask again. And I guess that's why everybody including Reva either used or planned to use the potion in their battle with the Queens.Here are the quotes:
Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Are the queens even possible??? It attacks for 50 Hp, what level do you have to be to have that many hp???"
Take a look at some of the new potions :)"
Teresa wrote: "Ah! I see!!! Sneaky (and expensive) but the Giants will help with their potion token!"
I don't know which of the mods answered that question, but the use of the Shield question is strongly implied here.
Just look at the wording - the complain is that the combined attack of all 4 queens is more than the realistic max health of any hero playing. The answer implies that it's possible with the use of one of the newly introduced potions. There were only two that month: Shield Potion and Growing Strength Potion. The Growing Strength Potion affects hero's AP so it has zero effect on the impossible attack strenght of the Queens - so it has to be the Shield Potion.
BTW I don't even know what level hero you have to be to get to 50 HP.
We definitely had a conversation and agreed that using Order of Operations made sense when it came to subtract or half etc. in what order. I remember this. So you would halve (divide) and then subtract, etc.
You'd have to be level 21 to have 50 base HP with no objects helping that number. So with a health gem maybe only level 20...._.
Teresa wrote: "Huh? I thought it was for use against the queens halving the damage they do to you (else they would kill you in one shot). What does it actually do then? The monster gets the benefit? I thought tha..."Note to everyone. Kelly is occasionally crazy and sleep deprived.
I would use the shield potion as the last thing before calculating the hit of the monster because:
"Rocky will subtract 1 attack point of any creature."
So that actively subtracts an attack point. Same with the shield.
Then halving the damage would come once you know what the final damage would be.
Otherwise if you use shield potion first then rocky and shield would be twice as effective as they should be.
I'm ok with rounding down on monster attack if it comes out uneven. I don't think I've said anything to the contrary of that.
Okay Kelly I have one more related question then - If I'm attacking the blue dragon for example, and both my weapons do half damage..Do I halve my staff's damage, and then add the bauble modifier, or do I add the modifier first, then half the total?
Add I round down when it's odd?
Just to be sure, the division before subtraction rule established earlier doesn't apply from now on?You know, I was a little surprised then by your ruling just because when there are two options one a little better for the hero than the other, you usually go for the latter. ;-) Well, shame on me for not being fast enough and making my attacks earlier.
Zuzana wrote: "Just to be sure, the division before subtraction rule established earlier doesn't apply from now on?You know, I was a little surprised then by your ruling just because when there are two options ..."
I usually try to look at my exact wording. Also, the shielding potion applies to the hero while the others affect the monster directly so at least to me it makes sense that those come first.
Zuzana wrote: "Just to be sure, the division before subtraction rule established earlier doesn't apply from now on?You know, I was a little surprised then by your ruling just because when there are two options ..."
It depends more on the wording of the feature. If there was something that halved the monsters attack then I'd be ok doing the rocky/shield after the halving. However the shield is "Halves the damage taken by monsters for a single turn." so that's from the heroes point of view after the attack has already been done by the monster.
I did find the reference to the division then subtraction note: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I feel like the difference here is that the statement is that the attack power is halved rather than the damage from the monster being halved.
For attack modifiers, when attack has been halved, the modifiers are added first. So base attack + leveled attack + modifiers + potions on weapons directly, then halved. However stuff like pets or anything that damages the monster outside of the weapon attack are not affected. I think I answered something to this affect to one of Reva's questions awhile back but I can't find it right now.
Sorry for all the confusion. Trying to go with the, if it applies to the exact same thing then do it in whatever order you want, otherwise start from the creature attacking and move outward.
One last attempt and after that I promise to shut up. ;-) The shield potion is used at the beginning of the round, the same as the rest of the potions, right? Rocky comes to play later when it's the monster's round to attack. By this logic it makes perfect sense that you should divide Aps first, when you apply the potion (BTW lasts only one round, so you have to apply a new one every round you want to use it) and then deduct a point for Rocky.
A somewhat unrelated question. Reva is the first one to attack all the monsters, she always posts her big battles here. I planned most of my battles using her battles as a template. Can I do it with her battles with rare monsters that bring you gems, i.e. hydras, swarm, thesaurus, jaberwocky?
Zuzana wrote: "A somewhat unrelated question. Reva is the first one to attack all the monsters, she always posts her big battles here. I planned most of my battles using her battles as a template. Can I do it wit..."You know Kelly, you've had months to examine my attacks. I can't see interpreting the shield potion except to divide the monster's attack by half. Otherwise the combined and other high levels of monsters' attacks would have made many of the defeats impossible.
Thank you for the answer Kelly! I know I'm addicted to this game because the answer was the last thing I worried about before falling asleep. I'm just glad I didn't have a super weird dream about it lol.
Ok I know this has already been addressed, but I can't find it so I'm hoping someone remembers....For using the Orb of Air (reduces items need by 1) and Find Items Potions....say for the rat tail sheets for example.
Is it correct that you use Orb of Air first (10-1=9) and then find items potions second (9/2=4.5)
Do we give 4.5 rat tails (use my trusty sword to chop it in half)? Round up to 5 or down to 4?
I believe it's round up with the find items. I haven't used them together really yet though since I haven't had the Orb of Air for very long.
Morgan wrote: "I believe it's round up with the find items. I haven't used them together really yet though since I haven't had the Orb of Air for very long."That's what I was afraid of Morgan. Rounding up will make the orb's effect useless in this case. I haven't been able to use it yet.
Has anyone used the orb of air yet successfully? Am I maybe missing chances to use it by not really understanding what it applies to?
It's useful for the salt and herb quests. You only need to read 3 books to get a serving to cook with instead of 4.Same with several of the new pet quests that require 4 or more items.
The quest "A Nap is Always a Good Idea" too. Those are the ones I see quickly it's very useful for.
RebeccaS wrote: "Morgan wrote: "I believe it's round up with the find items. I haven't used them together really yet though since I haven't had the Orb of Air for very long."That's what I was afraid of Morgan. Ro..."
I've used it on the stress relief ones if it's 5 of something to make it 4. But yeah it seems like a one or the other sort of thing benefit wise at least to me.
I didn't realize it would cut out a BOOK for quests, just items. How do you know what book? I thought it was anything 5 or over? I keep making things harder than they need to be or something. I clearly need to read this stuff again. :/
Yea, I also thought it was only items..
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Quests where the item you are finding is a book include the Salt & Herb quests (book cover).
Quests where the item you are finding is a thing in the book include the Collect them All (but don't waste a potion - there are a couple of books with all 100 bugs in the one book! - like The Bees, iirc).
Quests where the item you are finding is a monster drop include the Rat Tail Sheet one.
If a Quest doesn't mention use of the FIP, you can't use the Orb.
-So you can't use the Orb or Potion on the Nap Is Always A Good Idea quest.-
Strike that last! yes. can't use potion on that, but you could use the Orb to reduce the 5+ items required in the Nap (bones, tails, wings) in the quest.
I think!
It reduces it on 4 or more items - not 5 or more items.
Both the orb of air and find item potion can be used only for quests that specificaly state that YOU CAN USE THE FIND ITEM POTION. If it's not writen in the description of the quests neither the orb nor the potion can be used.
Rebecca, it rounds up. I used the potion to get my lvl 2 sheet, and I didn't bother to use the orb because it makes no difference.
But every quest has us "finding" books... Daphne wrote: "It reduces it on 4 or more items - not 5 or more items."
Maybe I just got mixed up on that thinking where I'd used it since those are mostly 5 of something. I know I didn't on the 3 or 2 or 1. haha.
Zuzana wrote: "Both the orb of air and find item potion can be used only for quests that specificaly state that YOU CAN USE THE FIND ITEM POTION. If it's not writen in the description of the quests neither the or..."So none of the stress reliefs? I didn't realize they were both under the find items potion umbrella since the orb is more useful for lesser amounts and the potion is more for the large requirements. Guess I need to go back and take it off those. That's all I've used it for so far.
Where did it say that the Orb can't be used unless a quest says you can use a FIP? They're two completely separate things I don't really understand that.. was that posted anywhere?
It's somewhere in this thread. It was decided by Kelly, after people repeatedly asked about the orb use. It was really confusing, so it was decided that it'll be limited to the same quests as the FIP. I'm on my phone so if you want the exact quote you'll have to go through the thread yourself.
Morgan, Alyssa, wait for Kelly before changing anything. I'm only 99% sure about the Orb of Air use. So for now you can cling to that 1%. ;-)Reva, Teresa, Catherine, can you back me up on this? Some of you have to remember.
As I said I can't supply the quote because the phone app is well not good (almost used a 4letter word)
Oh I understand I'm on my phone too haha. No worries I can wait! (I don't even have an orb yet I just didn't remember that conversation)
Yeah no rush. We're doing birthday stuff today so I'm in and out. I just saw it like...oh...wait. I didn't use it that way. haha. (A common occurrence, if you can't tell from the last few days. lol)
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Reva, Teresa, Catherine, can you back me up on this? S..."
Yeah, I was initially 100% it had to have FIP mentioned against the quest for the orb to work. And then reread the monster info and got confused again.
I've used the orb for the lower two sheets, but that's about it I think. (not got a kitchen yet, otherwise I'd've used it on the salt & herb ones)
Possibly we could be using for the training (toss x-1 bones for fetch, say...) but I haven't as I have more bones & wings than I know what to do with!
Here are the links for the Find Items/Orb discussions:On 7/21/15: Kelly's post that basically says "Anything labeled with Find Items Potion works with [Orb of Air]."
And if you scroll down a little she says:
I've added [Find Items eligible] to all the ones that the potion works on. Any the potion works on the orb works on.
In general apply the Orb of Air before you apply the find items potion.
So if it asks for 9 items you'd reduce it by one then cut it in half rather than the other way around.
It was also posted on 11/21/15: Kelly's post.
But none of those say you can't use the Orb for other things or that it's ONLY good for ones that are marked as eligible for the potion.The potion makes sense that it's limited in that way. It knocks out half of the items.
The orb takes one, so I'm still not seeing where we can't use it the way we've used it?
She does say "Anything labeled with Find Items Potion works with [Orb of Air]."If you scroll through the discussions, you'll see if it is not labeled Find Items Eligible, you can't use the Orb of Air. (the 7/21/15 posts where Reva asked where the Orb can be used)
Yeah, I saw where you pointed out the "anything labeled with FIP works with Orb" . But that wording doesn't exclude the Orb from other things just includes it with those things. I'll take your word for other being true with the ONLY time you can use Orb is if you could use FIP and it's marked for FIP. No argument was just looking for clarification. Which basically makes it not really worth the effort to get it, but one less thing I need to remember to take into account for quests and such. lol. So it kinda works out in the end I guess?
So according to what Kally wrote though, just because a quest doesn't allow FIP doesn't mean it doesn't allow the Orb, only that if it DOES allow FIP, it definitely DOES allow the Orb..I'm agreeing with Morgan on this one for sure, that's exactly how I'm reading it too, but I'm not ready to take for granted and just jump to that assumption, bc from what I can see, that's not actually what's being said.
And yes, it does clarify that the Orb is used first, which makes using them together kind of moot.
Alyssa wrote: "So according to what Kally wrote though, just because a quest doesn't allow FIP doesn't mean it doesn't allow the Orb, only that if it DOES allow FIP, it definitely DOES allow the Orb..I'm agreein..."
Yeah that's why I was using them separately and the Orb for the smaller stuff/non-FIP stuff.
^^ Exactly that makes the most sense to me. That they're both useful in different situations.
Anyone else able to find any links? I did see this one as well (from 9/17/15 where Kelly stated "Orb of Air can be used as anything marked for the Find Items Potion Eligible." Scrolling through Rebecca made a comment that she wished you could use the Orb for more of the quests.I thought it was pretty clear when Kelly stated it previously that those were the only quests you can use it on but maybe I'm not finding the correct posts.
I mean I just don't see anywhere where that says it's the ONLY quests you can use it for. I see her saying you can use it for those quests, and even WITH a FIP together, which is great, but nothing saying that I can't use the Orb for something different (like the puppy training, etc.) that says nothing about FIP one way or another.
I thought you could use the Orb of Air when ITEMS are needed, but not BOOKS. But again I'm not sure.Sorry for bringing it up again, but I was still confused and didn't want to use it wrong.
Yup, I also think it's items only."Orb of Air (For quests requiring 4 or more items, this reduces the amount of items needed for a quest by 1)."
To me, I thought that was clear?
Looks like we're going to have to wait until Kelly chimes in since we all seem to think it works a little differently...
Yeah, same, but the Salt and Herb quests are marked for Find Items Potion even though it's just reading 4 books. I didn't pay attention to that until people were talking about using the Orb on it to read less books. Which I didn't think was something we could replace with potion or orb, but I guess that's a thing. haha.
The way I understand it is this:Apparently FIP works for the quests to get Salt and Herbs, which means you have to read 2 books instead of 4. (doesn't make a lot of sense, because books are not items but that appears to be how it works). Is this right..? The terminology here is vague if it is..
I would assume that the Orb wouldn't apply here, because this is a quest to read books, not gather items, but I could be wrong.
Additionally, the Orb of air just states that for a quest requiring 4 or more ITEMS, this reduced the amount needed by 1. It doesn't say they all need to be the SAME item, just that it needs to have at least 4, and then with the Orb, you can skip one.
In contrast, the FIP says "Note that this cannot be used for quests that require a list of different things (e.g. do the 3 following tasks)." so in that case, they DO all need to be the same item (like ONLY Rat tails, etc.)
Is all this correct.? Or do some things maybe need to be changed/edited in their wording?
Hi all! I just read a book with 237 bug mentions in it (give or take), so thought I'd let you know in case anyone still has the Collect Them All quest to do. It's This Book is Full of Spiders: Seriously Dude, Don't Touch It. 
Warning: It's raunchy and swear-y and generally 'dude' humor. "Spider" itself appears 100+ times though....
I wouldn't waste the find items potion on anything small. I used it on the sheets requiring so many rat tails. I also used the orb and transmogrification potions to get to level 3.
I would counsel to wait for Kelly's clarification on using the orb on the Stress Relief Quests, though by definition, you having to find items the orb would apply (I hope) without it being marked as ok for the potion. Otherwise the Orb is practically useless (other than the Salt and Herbs) as anything with large numbers a Find Items potion is more useful and renders the Orb's contribution nil due to the way it is calculated.
Has anyone had any luck in finding a pet starting with "I"I've hot Harold the cat and Jiggs the dog but no I's
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But you're the boss. If the shield potion saves the monster from damage (and not the hero) then I suggest a different name because it's really confusing.