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Truly Devious by Maureen Johnson - Oct 2020 YA BOM - starts 16 Oct
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I've nominated it for December YA Book of the month - the next book
if you all can wait that long.
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Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
I think she wants her parents to make decisions based on who she really is and not on who they they want her to be. Which is reasonable I think. And I don't think she like lying to her parents. I never did, I lied to them sure, but I always felt guilty about it.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
I wasn't surprised. I probably would of done light, surface level snooping but not gotten onto his computer. David had a right to be upset. But he really shouldn't of been surprised knowing Stevie and everything going on.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
Yes, and I find it a bit odd the police didn't figure that out on their own. I have no idea why the police didn't takes Hayes's laptop and have it examined. I know they thought it was an accident, but if they were trying to figure out what he was doing, the first place to start was his computer.
The silent dance was a bit odd but fits in with how things go at that school. I'm glad it let her start to fix things with her friends.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I'm not sure how it all fits together. But I'm wondering if Iris had more to do with things than just being a victim and then something went pear-shaped for her. I still really don't know. I think Ellie might be a red herring and someone is setting her up. Just because.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I was on the right track with David at least. I will read the next one, already on hold at my library. I want to know what happens!!
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing? I thought David manipulated them masterfully. Of course, it's clear why he's good at manipulations - his dad is an asshole politician who does that for a living.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?I don't think she should have snooped. I think she should have just ASKED him. But then we wouldn't have had the conflict. It's like how most episodes of sitcoms or entire romcom movie plots have conflict based off of tiny miscommunications - if they weren't there, we wouldn't have the show/movie.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room? I think she should have talked to Larry earlier, yes. Someone else could have been killed, and she could have framed it as a conversation and helped HIM come to the realization that it was a murder, rather than tell him outright.
The Silent Dance was a creepy thing, I've never heard of such a thing and it weirds me out. LOL The game in Ellie's room made me so uncomfortable, and I hated how they used the wrong name for the game... (It's Never Have I Ever, not this I Never garbage!)
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?I wanted to know more about how Ellie connected to those pictures she had. I didn't solve the current killer, and we don't have a reveal yet on the past, so I'm sitting at 0 for now. LOL
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I didn't think of the connection to King at first, but I think it was you that mentioned your theory in earlier DQ answers and I thought you were right. I definitely will read the next two books, which will tie up the Ellingham story. A new one is coming out, book 4, in 2021 that will be a new setting and a new mystery for our dear Stevie.
ALSO: Did anyone else notice Stevie and David? Was this a Schitt's Creek reference or am I crazy? :D
Marie, it looks like the main mystery is tied up by the end of book 3, and a new mystery at a new location (a summer camp) starts in book 4.
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This bothered me too. Youth these days have no respect for things any more.
*sitting in rocking chair on the front porch* yells: 'hey kid, get off my lawn!!'
Judith wrote: "Steven wrote: "I hated how they used the wrong name for the game... (It's Never Have I Ever, not this I Never garbage!)"
This bothered me too. Youth these days have no respect for things any more..."
Thanks for that. You made me snort ginger ale up my nose! LOL
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
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I really don't like her parents' view of the world. I also dislike how David behaves, pretty much all of the time. He is secretive, and pretend to be above it all. If he likes Stevie, he should stop being such an enigma, and tell her so. So, I understand and agree with Stevie's attitude after the lunch.
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I would have been very tempted to snoop, but I would not have. Probably. It is in her nature to do so, so I wasn't surprised at all. I found to unfortunate that she chose that route just as she was getting closer to David.
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Of course she should have gone to Larry as soon as she figured it out. But, she wants to solve the old crime on her own, and why not try the new one as well? I did like how her friends at the dance were ready to embrace her again. The scene in Ellie's room got a bit intense. Even though I was suspecting everybody at this point, Ellie was not at the top of my list.
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Nope, I have no clue still about either one. I find that pretty unsatisfying. I think Ellie is a relation to Bonnie and Clyde.
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I did not figure out who's son David was. Yuck. Pretty much all of my questions are still unanswered. Alice? The locket thingy that Iris' friend took? How was Dottie involved? Why kill Hayes (other than that he was an ass)? Etc. Etc.
I already bought the next book.
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DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-6 1. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
I think the setting is very important and will be the focus of the book.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I'm really curious about that. It does seem she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but why is this included unless it may lead to something important.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
I normally like dual timelines, and I believe it does add to the mystery. Especially since everything seems to take place at the one location, we can follow past and present.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
It's a strange group. They are all so different, maybe they will each bring different strengths to the solution of the crimes.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
I think Flora and Iris must have been very close, perhaps lovers? I have no idea about the compact.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
It just seemed like it would have been very uncomfortable for someone new. These kids are a strange bunch.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I find the setup appealing but intimidating too. It's the kind of school that I would have liked but would have been very nervous about it too. I'm afraid that I was too protective as a mother to have wanted to send my child to a school like this. I guess it would really depend on the child's maturity level.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
This case does have similarities to the Lindbergh kidnapping. I feel like Alice was killed also but it might not have been for quite some time. The motivation of the kidnapper is key to what took place. I don't think money was the motivation so I'm really curious to learn more.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
I don't see how but you never know.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
No thoughts, just curiosity. He may be connected to the senator and that's why he seemed familiar.
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
I think Ellingham loved games and considered them a good means of learning.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
I don't know but I do think it's important.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
It makes sense to write everything down before you talked to anyone else. Once you started discussing it, you would be bound to get confused. I'm not a terribly observant person anyway so probably wouldn't be good at this.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
Not me.
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation
As a parent, I think your knee-jerk reaction would be to take your child out. But careful consideration of the facts and circumstances might change that opinion. It would really depend if I thought there was real danger.
Cat wrote: "@Marie, the Ellingham mystery is tied up in the trilogy. Book 4 is Stevie still, but separate. (I've not read it though)"so i have to read all three??? i have the next one on audio from scribd
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-6 1. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
I’m listening to the audio version so I cannot comment on the illustration but I do believe the letter and Ellingham in general will be important to the setting of the novel. There seems to be some other factors going on besides the speakeasy and large sums of cash.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I believe Dottie will become a more integral part of the mystery. There are some similarities between her and our main character (especially the love for Sherlock Homes).
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
I believe the author chose the duel timeline to help keep the mystery and suspense up in the story. The reader also gets to learn about these horrible events first hand which is interesting, compared to just being told about them in present day.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
I enjoy Stevie’s character and her inventor friend (I cannot remember her name). The other characters are just kind of background noise, although I do find the artist girl annoying.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
I have not thought a lot on the significance of this. I’m curious if the file is real or not or if the daughter was actually found but hidden away or chose to hid?
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
I can understand why Stevie was mad. However, David's antics got her what she wanted.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
Stevie is a natural snoop but snooping in David's room, especially his computer, is wrong and not the way to build trust in a relationship. David had every reason to be furious with Stevie.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
It makes you wonder why Larry didn't figure this stuff out if he's supposed to be such a great investigator. Stevie should probably have gone to him earlier. After all, there is a murderer at large. She definitely used the game to bring the facts out.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I still don't have a clue about the first one but have some ideas about the modern one, although I'm probably wrong. I don't believe Bonnie and Clyde are red herrings. And I don't believe Ellie is guilty.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I hadn't figured out who David was although I thought he might have some connection to Edward King. I will read the next book to find out what happens but I really hate cliffhangers.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
I find the teenagers partying trope annoying so I didn’t have any attachment to this or any of the characters. I also have no idea what a Yurt is.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I think the setup is fantastic. It starts giving the kids independence and getting them used to a college feel. I also love the idea of being able to study your passion, instead of being force fed the same thing at the same pace as everyone else. I did my last two years of high school online so I still would have preferred to do that. If I had a trustworthy kid who was really focused on something and could get a better education here I’d consider letting them go.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I do think that Alice lived to adulthood. Or at least when she was taken I don’t think the goal for her was murder.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
I don’t even think of him as a red herring, more so just a way to help explain the type of people her parents are and where she comes from. I didn’t think of him much past that.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
He seems like he has some addiction issues. I feel like she either knew someone related to him or briefly met him without realizing it. Maybe he’s the kid of that horrible Senator. I’m curious to see where his character goes.
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
I feel like games and riddles are an important part of the book and the foundation of the school. Monopoly can be very educational, especially trying to teach kids about money.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
I think he owes her money, or credit for his previous web series. Whatever it is it has to do with his “fame”.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
I would list bullet points of who was there, how each person was acting, my actions (as I recall them), exact words and phrases that Hayes or others may have said. Literally every ounce of information I could remember.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
I’ve been thinking about this one, but I really don’t know as I’m not great with riddles. Staircases have rails while a single stair usually doesn’t. If it’s just a play on words maybe “case” is always part of “staircase” but not part of “stair”? Lol
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
We did have a student murdered from our school, but I was in the situation that I did not really know them well. So I didn’t really have a big reaction. I think if I would have found the body there would have been some shock, but it’s hard to say unless you’re in that moment. If I was the parent I would have pulled my student, unless they were able to release the cause of death as an accident or found who did it.
Amanda, definition of a Yurt - From Wikipedia - A traditional yurt (from the Turkic languages) or ger (Mongolian) is a portable, round tent covered with skins or felt and used as a dwelling by several distinct nomadic groups in the steppes of Central Asia. The structure consists of an angled assembly or latticework of wood or bamboo for walls, a door frame, ribs (poles, rafters), and a wheel (crown, compression ring) possibly steam-bent. The roof structure is often self-supporting, but large yurts may have interior posts supporting the crown. The top of the wall of self-supporting yurts is prevented from spreading by means of a tension band which opposes the force of the roof ribs. Modern yurts may be permanently built on a wooden platform; they may use modern materials such as steam-bent wooden framing or metal framing, canvas or tarpaulin, Plexiglas dome, wire rope, or radiant insulation.
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-61. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
I think that the letter starts off a good murder mystery. Considering the fact that the letter is not just hand written, uses letters from a magazine, would indicate some definite planning going into the crime. I think that Ellingham is going to be very important to the story.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I think this scene is important in introducing the mysterious man and the speakeasy. We have a mysterious man, a girl that disappears, references to Sherlock Holmes, and a school set up in the mountains… all a great set up for the main mystery.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
The kidnapping crime hasn’t been solved in the present. By splitting the time between the present and past, the audience gets to see all the facets of the original crime and tie it into discoveries made in the present. I really like this format, so I’m excited to see how the mysteries evolve.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
Stevie, Janelle, and Nate are going to be the main case solvers, but Stevie is going to be our Sherlock Holmes. I like Stevie so far, but I don’t really feel like I know anybody yet.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
The compact could be medication of some sort. Maybe Flora knows more about the disappearance.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
It’s funny that the school is so artsy yet we still get the same social collections. We finally meet David, the last member of Minerva house. Alot of characters get introduced here, but I’m not sure who is background and who is going to take a more prominent role.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I would have loved to go to this kind of high school, but I don’t think everyone would thrive here. This school is definitely for those that have direction for their lives post hs and the ability to police their own studies.
If I had kids I would love for them to go to some place like this. A place to study and hone their intellectual pursuits.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I think that Alice lived through the kidnapping.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
The Senator has been mentioned several times, but I don't think he has a bigger role. I think that the Senator was mentioned as a way to differentiate Stevie from her upbringing and parents.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
I don’t really know how to feel about David, he definitely has something that he’s hiding. David could have been involved in a crime somehow. Since Stevie watches crime shows/discoveryID and listens to crime podcasts she might have heard about a case involving him.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
That rang pretty true to me, the awkwardness and the extroverts. I can't really remember anything sticking out.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
No, I wouldn't want to go there, too much pressure to be excellent. If my nonexistent kid wanted to go though, it would be up to them.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I really don't know about Alice, it would be cool if she was alive. The Lindbergh case was actually used as an inspiration by Agatha Christie for one of her books (view spoiler). I had noticed the kidnapping was similar although I couldn't have given all those details, it was just another happy nod to Dame Agatha.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
I hope just a red herring.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
I don't like David at all. I think Stevie must have seen his picture somewhere without realising it, that's why he seems familiar.
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-61. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
I think it's setting the scene that the book is based around that letter. So very important!
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I think it's a case of wrong place and time and too much curiosity.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
So we can see a glimpse in to the past whilst the present try to figure out the past. I think it will add to the present but I don't think it adds much to it.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
The children don't seem as interesting to me. I just don't really think many of them get a substance to them which I'm not a fan of.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
I'm not sure! Flora is definitely keeping something a secret and won't tell. Hopefully we find out
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
On one hand I think it was cunning and smart of him. She wanted to stay, sometimes you need to enlist the help of others to make things work. If she knew what his game was she never would have been able to play along. I get why she was pissed, but I don’t think her parents would have let her stay had it not been for David.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
I agree the closet was 100% a plot device (not a unique one either). I totally would have snooped lol. This guys won’t tell me who he is, he’s acting like a weirdo, but I’m attracted to him? Time to take the work into my own hands!
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
I mean in reality, yes, but would they have believed her, probably not. That’s the fun thing about murder mystery books. The silent dance was fricken weird (that’s a lot coming from me). The game in Ellie’s room was again another teenage drinking troupe, but I think mines the booze, it was an interesting way for Stevie to get information.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I think “Bonnie and Clyde” are going to help lead us to the murders in our past timeline. I’m not sure if they are Ellie’s grandparents, or how they are related. I feel like the “commune” she grew up on has something to do with all this.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I had a big suspicion about 1/2 way through the book who David was. I wasn’t surprised by that. I have tons of unanswered questions about the original case, who did what, what happened to the little girl, was Ellie really involved in the death, was it a prank gone wrong, etc. I do plan on reading the rest of the series. I honestly never would’ve picked up this book had it not been for the group read, but I’m so glad I did!
Lisa - (Aussie Girl) wrote: "Amanda, definition of a Yurt - From Wikipedia - A traditional yurt (from the Turkic languages) or ger (Mongolian) is a portable, round tent covered with skins or felt and used as a dwelling by se..."
Thank you for the info! :)
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
I have no idea what a yurt party is. I kept thinking it has something to do with Dr Seuss and Yertle the Turtle which confused me for that scene. I do think it's weird but I know that parties like that happen...
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I wonder if there are any other houses other than the two mentioned. I wouldn't go. I was happy in my school and I had no intention of excelling in anything as I just wanted to hang with my friends and eat haha. I would send my non-existent kid there though
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I don't know who that is but I think Alice is alive. Either still kidnapped but she doesn't know it or she's the one messing with the school
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
I was wondering what on earth the Senator has to do with the book. But I understand now that I finished it.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
David seems like someone I would stay far away from. I don't like feet and when he allowed Elly to have her bare feet on him... just ew. So I don't like either of them because of that. Logical isn't it? I did think there's something significant about him that he was hiding though and that it wouldn't be a good thing
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
I must have missed that about the games. Games challenge your mind and keep it working and thinking in different ways. So brain training, team work, body language etc. would be taught to the kids.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
I found out later in the book and it ties in well with the plot.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
I liked that point too. I would write down everything I could remember in bullet points all spaced out. And then write in who was there, when it happened (or what happened before of after if I don't know the time), where I was and where they where, why I paid attention and anything else I can think of.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
Ugh I'm awful at riddles. Maybe it's stairs... not sure
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation
I'd tell them to leave me be and I'll let them know if I want to go home. As a parent, I'd let them know I can pick them up but only if they want to. I'd probably talk to the teachers about the issues as well...
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
I'd be annoyed at both. I'd talk to them separate but my parents aren't anything like Stevie's...
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
She obviously shouldn't have. I wouldn't.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
Ugh. Well, what if Larry is the man behind all this? I understand why she'd keep it all to herself. I think it was brave of Stevie to do what she did. A bit confrontational as well.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I'm not sure who would have done it. I feel like the second time around it's a copycat killer though. the Bonnie and Clyde reference was odd. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I figured it out and it made sense as to why she recognised him. I just want to know what happened with Alice really.
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
I guess it's just showcasing an aspect of Albert Ellingham's personality. I haven't really thought about it.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
I'm not sure, but someone gave Hayes the idea to do the film, I don't think he came up with it on his own. I wonder if he was fed the zombie film idea as well, to lead on to this one... Just how far back did the planning for this thing go?
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
I don't know, but I wish she would take the riddle on her wall more seriously. That would be in my brain attic.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
I am not even going to guess, I would fail miserably. The next book is called The Vanishing Stair though, I wonder if that ties in with this riddle? I am convinced that Albert Ellingham faked his own death and this riddle is important.
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
It depends on the fictional kid, but it would be very tempting as a fictional parent to pull the kid out of school. Although the word is accident, not murder, as far as the parents are concerned, at the moment. Accident is less worrying to a parent than murder.
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-61. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
I believe the setting is important because I think something similar is going to happen.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I'm not sure but I was thinking that it has something to do with the letter.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
I thought it had something to do with the past that will come forth in the present.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
It seems like we have some smart teens that need something extra to their learning but I can see lots of secrets being hidden. As for the crime, I think it will be a mixed mess of who is going to be keeping secrets and then definitely some blaming or accusation being thrown around especially since there are many characters so far.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
I think an affair or maybe a fact kidnapping for money.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
Well I wasn't sure what that was but I guess it was a way of getting to know each other.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I like the school but without the back story of the reason for building it. I would definitely attend and send my kids since it give that extra for those kids that are gifted.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I'm guessing she's alive and is an adult. Not sure why I think that.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
I'm not sure what's going on with them but I think they may know something or involved in some sort of way.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
David has some secret that he doesn't want anyone to know and he does his best to change the subject or distance himself from the others. Something is up with that boy.
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
I wasn’t sure what that was about. LOL
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
Before I finished the book I guessed that he hadn’t did all the work in the films. I thought he had help especially the way he was always having someone do things for him. So I guess she did or he owed her money.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
Why he was in there, what I saw in the surroundings, how he looked and his position.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
Not sure but I guessed people. LOL
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
I would be concerned but not sure I would pull my kid out unless your Stevie’s parents. I have a feeling they know more than they’re letting on.
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
I would have been pissed too. That shouldn’t be the reason but more about what she wants and her education. As for David she definitely got what she was looking for.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
Well if you’d put me in that position I would have snooped too. She doesn’t know him that well and he seems very closed off so it’s not hard to go in that direction but I understand David being agree about her looking into his computer.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
I think she should have just in case while still looking into things. at least someone would have known the if anything happened to her.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
Not sure of the first crime but I do think that there was something out of the ordinary about its and as for the second crime I think I may have some ideas but not 100% I’m right. I don’t think Ellie is guilty that’s for sure but I do think there is something when it comes to her.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
Funny thing is I figured that he lied right from the beginning and why Stevie recognized him. I’m sure she would have figured it out eventually. I have quite a few and yes, I will definitely read the next book.
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-61. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
I'm listening to the audio, so I don't have a map...
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
From that scene it seemed a case of wrong place wrong time. But I might be wrong.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
I'm not always a fan of that kind of storytelling. I prefer my novels to be more linear. But when it comes to mystery novels, it's generally meant to give the readers some clues.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
So far I like our main character fine. As for the others, I find it a bit difficult to keep track of them all with the audiobook. But I can see how they all seem to hide something. I'm sure they will all be suspects at some point or another.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
Nope, no ideas yet. When listening to an audio I don't really make hypothesis. I'm just here for the ride. We'll see when we come to it.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
I felt unconfortable for Stevie. And I'm sure she wasn't the only one unconfortable in that group... But we got to learn more about some of the students, which was nice.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I don't know. I'm a bit uncomfortable with how elitist it seems to be. It's a weird school. I don't know if I'd like to be there. But as long as its students are happy to be in that kind of school, who am I to judge.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I don't know about the Lindbergh case. I'll have to google it later.
I think Alice might be alive.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
I don't have an opinion on that. They might. Not sure though...
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
I don't know. Stevie seems to suspect him, but I think it's too easy. I'm sure he's not the bad guys she suspects him to be. But I have no idea why he seems familiar. Maybe he's a decendent of one of the actors of the case and looks like that person? After all Stevie has studied the case long enough to know the faces of the actors of the Truly Devious case.
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
It's true that it's come up quite a few times. They keep saying that learning is like a game or something. Maybe it's a clue that the whole Truly Devious thing is a game that went too far.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
If we go with the game theory I'd say the game is starting again. And maybe Hayes was playing the game and lost. Which would mean Gretchen too. But I'm might be way off.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
I don't think I would be calm enough to sit down and write down everything I say. I'm not as cool headed as Stevie... lol
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
It's not my forte either... I honestly have no idea.
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
As a student, I don't know. Maybe I would leace the school??? Not sure. As a parent I would pull out my child.
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
Her parents definitely let her stay because of the boyfriend angle. I would be angry too, Stevie wants to make it on her accomplishments.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
I didn’t mind her looking around at what was in the room,I probably would have too. The line is going into the computer, that’s where Stevie should have stopped.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
I do think that she should have gone to Larry, but I do understand her desire to figure out the whole thing on her own. It would be a big deal to accuse your housemate of murder.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I think Bonnie and Clyde are a red herring, they might be part of Ellie’s family. I still don’t know who did the crime in either timeline.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I had guessed that he had some tie to the Senator. I want to know more about what the house staff are hiding. I still have lots of questions which is bit annoying. I’m going to read the next book.
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
From the glimpses we had of her parents I think she might be spot on. Looks like the parents are just very happy that she's making friends/dating a guy. Even though ultimately it seems like a trivial reason.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
I get why she snooped. The guy was really acting suspiciously at times. It doesn't make it right, but it makes sense. I don't know if I would have. I would have been to scared to get caught.
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
It wouldn't have been a YA if she had done the logical thing and gone to Larry. Lol.
The silent dance was weird. Kinda out of place.
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I still believe there's some kind of game thing going on. And somehow that game started again in the present. Not sure what or how, but it's the closes I've come to a hypothesis.
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I thought David might have been related to one of the actors of the previous Truly Devious case...
I might read the next book. Not sure when, though.
✿ Claire ✿ wrote: "DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every ..."
I love the idea of a game too far as the plot line Claire
Marie (UK) wrote: "✿ Claire ✿ wrote: "DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compuls..."
Thanks :)
As far as I'm concerned this theory is still not out of the picture.
1. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel? I liked the letter and the design of it on the first two pages of the book. I think that it added to the story in a way. Maybe the author added it to foreshadow. I think the setting of Ellingham with help the story in the way that it is a very desolate area. The wifi is spotty and its far from anything. This will most likely add suspense and make it more difficult if something happens to get help.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I think that Dottie was not a case of a wrong place wrong time scenario. I think the killer or kidnapper (whatever that guy is) had been watching her for weeks and noticed she slipped away to her hiding place to read every so often. Maybe thats why she was targeted. Because that guy definitely seemed to know she was going up there. I also have a feeling the guy is related to the Ellinghams in a way because he mentioned a game which we all have come to realize Albert loves games. (I don't think it was Albert though because Dottie would've recognized him).
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
I think the author chose the dual timeline to add suspense. So while adding details from the past to inform us about what the author is talking about, she doesnt have to give away too much of the backstory. I think it definitely adds to the present story because the present characters were talking about Flora and then we got a pat section about Flora.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
I like Janelle and Nate but the rest strike me as spoiled. I think one of them is going to get kidnapped or murdered or something and then Stevie is going to lead an investigation to save them or find them.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
My only thought is maybe she's in on it in some sort of way? Or helped?
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
I found it to be pretty awkward but that just might be because theyre young and don't know each other yet.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I really like the setup of this school. It allows you to focus on the subjects you like instead of forcing everyone to take the same subjects (some of which will never be used by that student because they will have a different major in the future). I also like how they get breaks in the day because back in high school it was pretty exhausting goin from class to class to class. I would've loved to go to this school in high school and I would send my child as well.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I researched the Lindbergh cases back in my junior year in high school and that was one of the things I was thinking of while reading this. I very quickly noticed the familiarity between this book and the Lindbergh case. I also related this book to clue just with the mention of game being in like EVERY chapter and the murder weapons. I think Alice is also dead unfortunately.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
Im slightly confused about this question still. I haven't decided if I think he's involved or red herring yet.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
Part of me wants to believe he's just trying to flirt and doing an awful job of it, but with this book, part of me wants to believe he's somehow related in a way. I have no clue how he would seem familiar though
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
I thought the reason for the game playing at least every week was because this book is setup kinda like a Clue game. But I don't know the significance of monopoly. Maybe its hinting towards the people who were kidnapped are properties and being sold away (through the ransom money) but thats a random guess.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
I read ahead because I got stuck in the book and didn't realize I was so far ahead so ill leave this answer with what I thought. I thought he owed her money or fame. Just because he is famous and he has money and he could easily help her get famous.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
I would write down everything that happened that day and anything that seemed suspicious to me. So the order of events leading up to Hayes' death like filming and the Hayes and Maris staying longer. Then Hayes telling Maris he didn't need her to stay. I would also include the missing key because that stuck out as suspicious to me
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
The only answer I can think of is a case. Its on staircase but not on stair. But thats not a very helpful answer
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
I don't really think I would have much time to react as my parents would be up there in a second picking me up. I would probably still want to stay at the school even though there was a murder or death just because of how amazing this school is. I would just try to stay in groups with people so Im never alone
DQs Day 4Chapter 23 to End
(Serious spoilers to come. Do not read if you are not caught up.)
16- In the aftermath of lunch with the parental units, Stevie is really pissed. What do you think about how David behaved, and her conclusion that her parents let her stay because of the “boyfriend" thing?
I think David behaved like he did because Stevie said her parents wanted her to have a nice preppy boyfriend. I thin Stevie is upset because now her parents think she is a "girly girl" now and thinks she will be treated like on by them.
17- In Stevie’s first real relationship conversation, she almost finds out what opening up to another is like. Then, of course they are interrupted. Having her hide in closet seemed to just be a plot device. But, what do you think of what Stevie did next? Do you think she should have snooped? Would you have?
I think she was slightly suspicious of David. I was too. And after this chapter I was even more suspicious. I didn't think he was hiding the fact that his parents were dead. It seemed to me like he was hiding something more. I probably wouldn't have snooped but I would've definitely been suspicious
18- Stevie is a pretty good investigator it seems. She figures out that a murder has occurred. Should she have gone to Larry right away? What did you think of the silent dance and the game in Ellie’s room?
I think that she shouldn't have gone to Larry right away. I know she put herself in danger but if she hadn't waited she wouldn't have found the killer and the school would've been shutdown most likely. I thought the silent dance was super weird. Dances are supposed to be loud in my opinion. Also I thought it was super stupid of Stevie to state that she thought Ellie was the killer in front of everyone. I would've added it up and brought it to Larry. Thank God Nate was there to text Larry!
19- We have two unsolved murders in two timelines. Are you any closer to figuring out who done it in either time line? Are Bonnie and Clyde more red herrings? How is Ellie related to them?
I still think Ellie has something to do with the present day murder because she acted way too suspicious. I think Flora and Flora's guy friend (I forget his name) were involved in the murder of the past. I find a weird connection to Flora's boyfriend and Ellie both being artists
20- A big reveal and a cliffhanger. Had you figured out who David was, and why Stevie recognized him? How many unanswered questions do you still have? Will you read the next book?
I had not figured out who David was. I literally saw no evidence for that. I believed that his parents were dead. But it makes sense that Stevie recognized him (I forgot about that detail). I definitely will read the next book because I want to figure out who the killers were!
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-61. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
The items draw the reader into the book and hooks them into the mystery. It gives a bit of a background to set the setting.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I liked her for as little as I knew about her at this point. I think there's more too it otherwise wrong place and wrong time. It could possibly play a more important part later but hard to say.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
It gives the reader dribs and drabs as what was going on when the disappearance happened. I'm enjoying it, it's almost like an episode of How to Get Away with Murder from season one.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
They seem over the top presently but I think there's more to them that will be discovered as the book goes on. I think they'll become good buddies and the next Mystery Inc without Scooby Doo.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
No, real clue yet it could be anything at this point.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
It seemed awkward. I kept wondering who the next victim was going to be and who was going to end being besties.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I think it's awesome especially since it's free! I would've loved the opportunity although there's not really anything exceptional about me but I'm sure if I had kids they would be exceptional haha
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest difference is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
There's some parallels but I don't think enough to make that much of a comparison. I have a feeling she's alive and that she is going to be someone either working at the school or involved in the school somehow.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
He's important to the story somehow but I'm just not sure yet.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
No idea why he seems familiar. Maybe he has something to do with the Senator or is somehow from her past she doesn't remember. I can't quite put my finger on it.
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
Maybe to show them how to be competitive? Or how much games are? Not really sure. Monopoly is not a short game though. You can't finish it fully in a short period of time.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
No idea but he does like to use people so maybe her owed her a favor. It is strange that he was murdered hours later.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
Every detail of every moment in the day for everyone that I could remember.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
I'm terrible at riddles usually.
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
It's a difficult situation. If I put myself in the role of student I would not want to leave but in the role of a parent I would not want my child around any danger. No matter what someone is going to be upset.
DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-61. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
• I’m listening to the audio so no illustrations, the string I’d going to be very important.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
• Not sure how but she will be important to the storyline.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
• This is a popular plot-line in these types of novels. I like it, although I occasionally have to backtrack to double check what timeline we’re in.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
• I think as they realize they are suspects there will be a need to prove their innocence, either by working together or against each other.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
• Not a clue
DQS - DAY 1 - CHAPTERS 1-6 1. Upon starting the novel an illustration of Ellingham and a copy of a letter sent on 8 April 1936 are the first things the reader sees before they start the text. Why do you think the author starts with these and how important will the setting of Ellingham be in the novel?
Ellingham is clearly going to play a big part to the story. I love seeing the grounds from the beginning. The letter sets up the tension nicely with a bit of confusing and weirdness to make it happen.
2. We are firstly introduced to an intriguing character called Dottie who it seems unfortunately is not long for this world. It is just a case of wrong place, wrong time or do you think this scene will play a more important part in the resolution of the mystery?
I think it'll play an important part in figuring out exactly what happened in the 30's. I am not convinced Dottie is dead yet either. Seems a lot of introduction for her to die so quickly. Amnesia or some other such thing might still be an option.
3. There appears to be a dual timeline in the novel detailing past and present. Why has the author written it this way? Does it add to the present storyline getting a perspective on the events in the past?
I like the dual storyline so far. We know Stevie's interested in the mystery of what happened in the past. I like that we're getting hints of what's to come before we really get into Stevie trying to investigate anything.
4. First impressions of the present day characters? How do you think they will interact in solving the crimes both past and possibly present?
I wonder who is going to die first. I think ultimately I'm going to like Nate the most. Give me the secretive character and I'm in. :) I do not like the douche-nozzel with his YouTube show. Ellie and Janelle I'm not sold on yet. I hope Janelle becomes the sidekick friend Stevie wants, but I wonder if she's the red herring and a good friend will come elsewhere. Ellie is a candidate for early death though. I'm open to anything at the moment.
5. In the past time line, Flora has secret information about Iris. Any ideas of the significance of the hidden compact in light of Iris and Alice's disappearance?
Not a clue other than that it's clearly going to be of big importance.
DQs Day 2 - Oct 17Chapters 7 through 14
6.) What did you think of the yurt party? Anything or anyone peak your interest?
David. Stevie's reaction to thinking she knew him vaguely makes me wonder if maybe he's a descendent of someone from the case. Killer or Alice, both are still options. Recognizing the bone structure from all her work studying the case.
7.) What do you think about the overall setup of the school? Would you of wanted to go to a school like this for your last two years of high school? Would you send you kid to a school like this (your real or nonexistent kid)?
I do like that part of this. The school sounds great. I would have loved the idea, and the freedom of it all. Not sure of how I would have done with it all, but I love the idea of it.
8.) The historic case seems very similar to the Lindbergh Baby case down to the multiple money drops, marked bills, questionable confessions, foreign suspects with limited English, random FBI agent involvement, and late introduction of the police. The biggest different is Iris being taken as well as Alice (plus Alice being 3). We now know what happened to Iris, do you think Alice has a parallel fate to the Lindbergh baby? Or do you think she's alive (or lived to adulthood anyway)?
I think she lived. I don't know why I'm linked to this descendants idea.
9.) Do you think the Senator her parents work for is involved somehow, or just a red herring?
Honestly hadn't thought much about the senator.
10.) Any thoughts on David, what his deal is, and why he seems so familiar to Stevie?
Think I've already covered this one. :)
DQ's Day 3Chapters 15 -22
11. I know this is much earlier in the book but it is bothering me. What is the significance of the Game playing - particularly Monopoly being compulsory at least every week?
Ellington liked riddles, he liked games. I think he liked that they expand your mind. Also everything about the initial threat feels like a riddle.
12. What is Hayes hiding in his conversation with Gretchen? What does he owe her and do you think this is important ?
I'm betting it'll have some import, but what exactly I'm not sure.
13. I like the point that Stevie makes about it being important to write everything down immediately. If you were Stevie and writing down what happened up to Hayes's death what would your list contain? What would be in your "brain attic" ?
Oh my brain is such a jumbled mess on most days I'd be terrible at this. I already know my brain struggles with memory in general. Specifics are never my strong suit. I'll remember big moments, or ideas, but the specifics never stick around long.
14. Solving Riddles is no more my forte than solving crime. So who can solve the riddle "What is always on a staircase but never on a stair?"
My first thought was railing, but not really sure.
15. Stevie is worried that her parents are going to withdraw her from Ellingham. How would you react as a student and / or a parent in this situation?
I'd want to be strong and stay in school, but I'd definitely want my parents to care enough to show up and make sure I was ok.
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