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Samantha Glasser | 529 comments Mod
Here is where we will discuss our Fall 2020 read, Kevin Brownlow's tome to David Lean.

Which David Lean films are your favorite?

Have you seen any of his movies screened in a theater? How did that impact your experience?

What do you hope to learn from this book?

Which of his films would you be interested in watching and discussing together?


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W | 355 comments Favourite David Lean films :
A Passage to India
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Dr. Zhivago
Lawrence of Arabia

Each one is an epic and memorable in its own right.
Have all of these on dvd,seen them multiple times.Love those long,lingering shots and attention to detail.

Also,Ryan's Daughter,didn't do well commercially but still a good one.


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments W wrote: "Favourite David Lean films :
A Passage to India
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Dr. Zhivago
Lawrence of Arabia

Each one is an epic and memorable in its own right.
Have all of these on dvd,seen them m..."


LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (1962) For the sheer spectacle of all that desert scenery; masterful filmmaking highlighted by Freddie Young's awesome photography.

THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (1957) Intelligent POW story, highlighted by the battle of wills between captor and captive, played to perfection by Alec Guinness and Sessue Hayakawa.

GREAT EXPECTATIONS (1946) Classic adaptation of Dickens and Lean's best directorial effort w/o all the spectacle; captures the period faultlessly with a splendid cast and one of the greatest opening sequences of all time.

DOCTOR ZHIVAGO (1965) The ultimate combination of simply gorgeous cinematography (Freddie Young), unforgettable music score (Maurice Jarre) and the beauty of Christie and Sharif making it one of the most enchanting films to both look at and listen to.

A PASSAGE TO INDIA (1984) Not a great film but one that deserves plenty of plaudits; engrossing story, fine acting and Indian locations lift it above the standard of most "big" films. Quality old-fashioned filmmaking.


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W | 355 comments I thought A Passage to India was a great film.It interests me most among his films because it's closer to home and highlights the tensions between the British and the locals during the dying days of the British Raj.


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W | 355 comments Another film of his which I've seen is,In Which We Serve,a WW II b/w navy film.


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W | 355 comments Found another one on youtube,This Happy Breed,1944.


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I have always preferred his earlier, non-epic films, especially fond of BRIEF ENCOUNTER and HOBSON'S CHOICE.

The only one I saw in an actual theater was DOCTOR ZHIVAGO, not when it was new, but when it was re-issued in (I think) 1974. Saw it with my grandfather and we liked it quite a bit.

I would be very interested to read about his actors and how they combined with Lean. For example, ZHIVAGO had such a varied cast, many of whom are still alive, or were when Brownlow wrote the book.

In any case, Brownlow is such a fine writer that the whole book will be a worthwhile read. My copy is on the way!


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments W wrote: "I thought A Passage to India was a great film.It interests me most among his films because it's closer to home and highlights the tensions between the British and the locals during the dying days o..."

Can understand your appreciation of "Passage" because it is so close to home.
I only watched it a few months ago and I rate it highly. That monkey scene with Judy Davis on her bicycle is one of those scenes you never forget.

Won NY Film Critics awards for Best Pic, Director & Actress (Peggy Ashcroft) Also won National Board of Review Best Pic, Director, Actor (Victor Banerjee) & Actress (Ashcroft)
Ashcroft also won Oscar, LA Film Critics & Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actress.
Judy Davis was nominated for the Best Actress Oscar as was Picture & Director. Maurice Jarre won his third Oscar for a Lean film for his music score.
Lean also nominated for Directors Guild & Golden Globe although the film was not nominated. Lean's screenplay received nominations from Writers Guild, Golden Globes and Academy Awards.

I tend to agree with the review in Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, a snippet of which I quote:
"...... Not a great movie, but so rich in flavor, nuance, and the sheer expressiveness of FILM that it offers great satisfaction, despite its shortcomings (and extreme length) ......"

Many thought that the love given to the film by New York Critics was an apology to Lean for the harsh (and unfair) treatment that they gave him when they trashed his 1970 film "Ryan's Daughter." The latter a disappointing film: big film with small story and uneven acting but on reappraisal not such a bad film with plenty to like. Lean took the criticism to heart and didn't complete another film until "Passage." Spent some of the in-between years trying to get his "Bounty" film made without success.

To quote Leonard Maltin again: "Distinguished British filmmaker of impeccable taste, not nearly as prolific as his contemporaries but a much better craftsman than most. He was noted for the care he lavished upon his films - particularly in evoking time and place and in extracting perfect performances from his casts."

What did you think of the acting in "Passage"?
Thought Aussie actress Davis was excellent and had wonderful presence but perhaps a little contemporary for the times. Haven't read Forster so I don't know how the character was supposed to be played.
Banerjee very likable in very sympathetic role.
Main question: what about Alec Guinness? Cute performance but just a little too obvious; sort of a-ha, look at Guinness under all that make-up and costuming! Surely there was a qualified Indian actor who could have played the role and given it a bit more legitimacy. Your thoughts?


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W | 355 comments As for the acting,Judy Davis was outstanding.Alec Guinness was a bit wasted in that role,and he played an Indian ! Yes,that role should have been played by an Indian.Bannerjee,I didn't like his performance.Or maybe he was trying too hard to act like a member of a subject race.And the actor who played Fielding,was good too.
I found Forster's book rather boring,couldn't finish it and was glad that Lean gave it such an excellent treatment.


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W | 355 comments I don't have the book selected by Samantha but I searched for a book on David Lean and found Beyond the Epic,the Life and Films of David Lean by Gene D.Phillips.Looks pretty exhaustive.


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments W wrote: "As for the acting,Judy Davis was outstanding.Alec Guinness was a bit wasted in that role,and he played an Indian ! Yes,that role should have been played by an Indian.Bannerjee,I didn't like his per..."

Very good English actor James Fox played Fielding. Best remembered as Dirk Bogarde's "victim" in "The Servant" (63) and as a vicious thug in "Performance" (70) and for fluffy roles in "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines" (65) and "Thoroughly Modern Millie" (67). Left acting in the 70s to be involved in a religious group; returned to play character parts from 80s onwards.
Younger brother of Edward (The Day of the Jackal) Fox.
Lean's wife (#5) Sandy Hotz also appears in "Passage" - not to be confused with Sandra who became wife #6 and later his widow.

The Brownlow book is massive - 800 pages plus. I bought it on-line a few years ago but quite expensive. Check out your university library - you just never know!
Gene Phillips is an excellent writer and knows his stuff, so expect an excellent, thorough study of Lean. My favorite Lean book is a large Abrams edition by Stephen M. Silverman, which has the added bonus of being chock full of fabulous photos.


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Samantha Glasser | 529 comments Mod
I got a new copy in hardback on ebay for about $5 at the beginning of the year. I recommend checking that or www.abebooks.com.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...

I am not terribly familiar with Lean's films. I was fortunate to catch Lawrence of Arabia when it ran last year with Fathom Events on the big screen. It was an immersive experience. Definitely not something I would be inherently drawn to, but I liked it a lot. Movies which introduce you to places and things outside of your comfort zone in an appealing and in-depth way are wonderful.

I've tried to watch Doctor Zhivago several times at home and I can't get into it and always turn it off about an hour in. Maybe the movie is a good adaptation of a beloved novel, so people who are familiar with that don't need a lot of exposition, but I always feel disconnected from the characters and uninterested in putting in the work it takes to develop an interest in them.

My favorite Lean (so far), and according to the Criterion notes it was also Lean's favorite, is Summertime. It is a beautiful, immersive love letter to Venice. Katharine Hepburn is alternately independent and powerful and sweet and vulnerable, a wonderful performance that shows off just what a gem of an actress she was. I've seen Rossano Brazzi in several other things before but I've never seen him to be as sexy as he is here. The scenery is wonderful and makes me ache to visit Italy.


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments Haven't seen "Summertime"; remember seeing bits and pieces over the years but it's not a film that bobs up on TV over here. I know it was Lean's favorite and any film set in Venice has got to be a joy to look at, apart from everything else.
The first of three Best Director Awards from NY Film Critics - probably would have four but for the New York newspaper strike in 1962 which eliminated the awards that year - the year of "Lawrence of Arabia." Always wonder why the group didn't get together later and give their decisions then.

"Zhivago" not an easy film to follow. Always found Russian novels very complex. I read the Pasternak novel ages ago and found it a difficult book to get involved in.
And the film is far from perfect but remember seeing it first on the big screen - a major event as the "big" films of the day were treated that way. Julie Christie and Omar Sharif magnetic in the roles. And as previously mentioned, the photography and music just magical. Think everyone was humming "Lara's Theme" for the next year - it was a massive hit!

Described by Leonard Maltin as "sumptuous, sprawling epic ....charismatic Sharif .... spans several decades .... with stirring crowd scenes, gorgeous romantic vistas set to Maurice Jarre's sweeping music .... overlong but with top production values and superb acting in every role." Can't disagree with any of that!

Great to watch the roadshow version on your large home screen with full overture and intermission music, etc. to relive the cinema experience because this was one of the last legitimate blockbusters made with all the trimmings.
Don't forget to rug up for the winter scenes and have plenty of chocolates and vodka on hand and take the intermission break - as it is a very long film!


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W | 355 comments Yes,Dr. Zhivago is very lengthy.I have it on a two dvd set.Convoluted story,but a visual delight with many memorable images.And Spain doubles up for Russia,pretty well.


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments W wrote: "Yes,Dr. Zhivago is very lengthy.I have it on a two dvd set.Convoluted story,but a visual delight with many memorable images.And Spain doubles up for Russia,pretty well."

Spain made a splendid substitute for Russia.
Two weeks of location shooting done in northern Finland. The epic train sequence was filmed there, using the same winter railway tracks that had been laid during the 1940 Russian invasion of Finland.
Rest of film made in Spain except for some minor second-unit work in Canada.
In their four months of scouting locations, Lean and Production Designer John Box travelled 10,000 miles by car. They would have chosen Finland but realized how difficult it would be to find the necessary extras as the country had no unemployment.
Another stop was Yugoslavia.
John Box: "After a few days, we were thrown out of our hotel to make way for a Third World conference.
" ...... prostitutes being brought in for these conferees. With all that free lust available, none of them would go home. David was furious."
Apparently Lean was so disgusted, he declared he would give a free vacation to anyone who could shoot a movie in a Communist country.


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W | 355 comments Haha.


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments W wrote: "Haha."

You gotta give Lean and Box credit for being so dedicated. Four months on the road scouting locations - that must have been quite a challenge.
Few of us can imagine all the grit and highs and lows involved in pre-production work - all the frustration of getting things right even before a single moment of the project is ever filmed.
No doubt, major reason why I watch movies instead of making them!


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W | 355 comments What I found funny was your comment about all that free lust being available and nobody going home.


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Anthony McGill (anthonym) | 165 comments W wrote: "What I found funny was your comment about all that free lust being available and nobody going home."

Obviously one of the perks of being a Party member!
Suppose a bit like an equivalent to all those business conventions in the U.S. where salesmen come from all over the country to let their hair down and have a good time. Probably a thing of the past and certainly gone now with Covid-19 virus.
Been to a few union conferences, etc. in my time but nothing like that ever happened but I've heard the occasional rumor ....


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Barry Lane | 21 comments Samantha wrote: "I got a new copy in hardback on ebay for about $5 at the beginning of the year. I recommend checking that or www.abebooks.com.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from......"
I'm with you on David Lean's work, but his earlier black and white films are recommended.


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Samantha Glasser | 529 comments Mod
Today is the official start date for this book. It is divided into two parts, and I anticipate us getting through Chapter 25 by mid-October.

There are several Lean films coming up on TCM: In Which We Serve (1942), Blithe Spirit (1945), Brief Encounter (1945) and Lawrence of Arabia (1962). Do any of these sound appealing for a group watch and discussion?


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Betsy | 31 comments Am slowly reading David Lean because I have several books to finish for other groups. I mainly wanted to read it because 'Lawrence of Arabia' is my favorite movie. Have seen several other Lean movies as well.


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W | 355 comments Watched The Bridge on the River Kwai again,terrific film.


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Betsy | 31 comments It certainly is, and the acting superb, even with a change in the ending from the book.


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Betsy | 31 comments It's interesting that, according to the book, Lean's mother did not believe he would make anything of himself because of a report from his school.


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Samantha Glasser | 529 comments Mod
Yeah I feel bad for him. He didn't have a very loving childhood. He couldn't bond with his brother because his parents pitted them against each other from a young age. They thought he was dumb because he liked to daydream, but had they actually asked him and taken an interest instead of dismissing him, they would have found out their son wasn't an idiot.


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Betsy | 31 comments Parents can be a great asset, but they can also make a kid's life miserable.


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Samantha Glasser | 529 comments Mod
TCM will be screening Great Expectations, Oliver Twist and Lawrence of Arabia on December 9th.


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A very substantial book--long, detailed and heavy. Lean's film career
spanned more than six decades and Brownlow covers it all from silent films of the 1920s through a PASSAGE TO INDIA in 1984. There is overwhelming detail on the films and also on Lean's personal life which wasn't always exemplary.


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Samantha Glasser | 529 comments Mod
I will admit that while I am enjoying my reading (Brownlow is an excellent writer), I have not gotten very far into this book. I suspect I will be finishing it up in the wintertime. Part of the problem is that it is so massive so it isn't very portable the way a novel would be. Feel free to continue this discussion beyond the end of the month.


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